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It's killing me that I feel like so much has happened and yet the moment when everything comes together is so so far out of sight.
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I love how the thread isn't even surprised by betrayals anymore. There's just resigned acceptance. 
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Mar 15, 2014 07:51
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I love how the thread isn't even surprised by betrayals anymore. There's just resigned acceptance.  Also, I love seeing the reactions when Sigma chooses betray and I can't wait for us to go back to the Luna path and betray her first thing. I fully expect EVERYONE ELSE to choose Ally and for Sigma to be shunned as an absolute rear end in a top hat for betraying the most adorable and kind person there.
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Mar 15, 2014 07:57
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Well maybe they'll be surprised by a SURPRISE INSOMNIA-DRIVEN DOUBLE UPDATE!
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Please check your bracelet to see your updated Bracelet Points. VLR OST: [Desperation] Why'd you choose "betray"?! I thought we promised! Listen in: [English/Japanese] "We"? I don't remember that. Wh-What? You promised me. You said you'd choose "ally". But I don't recall promising you anything. I was free to choose whatever I wanted. H-Hold on... I told you I'd make you pay, and now I am. ... ... Huh? This is your fault. You chose "betray" first. First...? Do you mean in round one...? No. ... ... Uh... Have you lost it? Take a real good look at the results up there. I didn't betray you. I've never betrayed you. Yes you have. Remember? Don't lie to me, Sigma. ...What? Know about what...? What's happening to you. The strange things you've been seeing. ... Do you mean the... I turned around to see Luna, Clover and K. Listen in: [English/Japanese] It's nothing. Forget about it. I'm afraid it's not that simple. You were the only person who chose to "betray" this round. Is there some connection to what you and Sigma were discussing? But you wouldn't believe me. You don't know that. We might believe a lot... ... [Music fades out] Listen in: [English/Japanese] So, sorry, but I'm outta here. Huh? What do you mean? Do I really have to explain it? VLR OST: [Consternation] H-Hey! Wait! I scrambled around in front of her and threw my arms out. No! I'm not letting you go! ... What happened to you? I didn't think you were the kind of person who'd ditch the rest of us so you could get away. ... ... I don't think you have the slightest idea what that feels like. "Betrays your..." Wait, are you saying... ... Whatever. Just get out of my way. No! I'm not moving! I see. Then you leave me no choice. As she spoke, Phi bent down... ...Then shot up into the air and over my head. I spun around to see her standing next to the number nine door, her hand on the lever. Nice try. She grinned, and tightened her grip on the lever. Listen in: [English/Japanese] Wh-What the hell's that? It's Latin. "Applaud! The play has ended!" That's what it means. L-Latin...? See you later. Wait! Stop! [Music fades out] Lock no. 08 How can we stop Phi? And here we are again. So... where to? Our choices: cd ~/magenta/ally/green/betray Betray Luna after escaping the Gaulem Bay cd ~/magenta/ally/red After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Red door with Alice and Clover cd ~/magenta/ally/blue After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Blue door with Alice and K cd ~/magenta/betray Betray Luna after escaping the Lounge cd ~/yellow/ally/green After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Green door with Clover and Quark cd ~/yellow/ally/blue After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Blue door with Clover and Tenmyouji cd ~/yellow/betray Betray Tenmyouji after escaping the Infirmary cd ~/cyan/betray/red/betray Betray Phi after escaping the Control Room cd ~/cyan/betray/blue After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Blue door with Luna and Alice cd ~/cyan/betray/green After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Green door with Luna and Clover Fedule fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 07:59
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As amusing as the WTF factor is, I hope we chose a path without a plot lock next time. I get the feeling Fedule is enjoying this, though. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 08:02
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So. That's how she knew Sigmas name then. Personally, after Tenmyoujis awesome gut punch to Dio, I wanna get back to his path and figure him out more.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:06
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And yeah, that happened. Really killer update placement Fedule. 
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Mar 15, 2014 08:06
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O-kay. So... either Phi's remembering a timeline where we betrayed her, even though we haven't done so (yet), or Sigma has some serious gap in his memory. As usual, it's nice to see him as confused as I am.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:08
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I am so loving confused right now. Watch, if we betray Phi, she'll have allied and we'll get a bad end when she murders us because we're trying to escape.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:55
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Hogama posted:O-kay. So... either Phi's remembering a timeline where we betrayed her, even though we haven't done so (yet), or Sigma has some serious gap in his memory. As usual, it's nice to see him as confused as I am. Looks like we're gonna have to make a self fulfilling prophecy and betray her so the timeline she remembers happened exists.
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Mar 15, 2014 09:48
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Fedule posted:
Oh cry me a river, Phi.  Everyone in this game is such a hypocrite.
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Mar 15, 2014 10:16
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legoman727 posted:I am so loving confused right now. I'm pretty sure that's what this update implied. Minus the murder that is. Didn't she basically just outright say that in an alternate timeline or some such we betrayed her and so she's just betraying us right back? I like it because that's pretty much exactly what the goon hive-mind decided upon after getting betrayed by Alice.
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Mar 15, 2014 10:25
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You maniacs, you blew it up Fedule, the last English/Japanese links are the wrong way around. e: Oh, not only that, the actual Japanese audio in that one is completely wrong. tiistai fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 10:27
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tiistai posted:Fedule, the last English/Japanese links are the wrong way around. I have bollocksed this up tremendously. I did say this update was insomnia-fueled.
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Mar 15, 2014 10:43
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Nothing fuels paranoia half as well as random bouts of unreliable precognition. I'm looking forward to seeing all the clusterfucks this will cause in the future VVV Let's see what happens if WE are the ones to betray. Judging by the whole "promise" thing, Phi was expecting us to betray before we even walked into the AB room, and I think at this point it would just be rude todisappoint her. Besides, it may clarify if she just sees different possible futures at random moments depending on a path we're on, or if she's actively time-hopping like us. Aumanor fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 10:43
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Aumanor posted:Nothing fuels paranoia half as well as rendom bouts of unreliable precognition. I'm looking forward to seeing all the clusterfucks this will cause in the future The thing is, is Phi doing what we're doing, jumping back in time when she encounters a route she can't proceed through? Because when you think about it like Polygon said. Phi literally did what WE did with Alice, and Alice had no idea why we had chosen to do it. Phi is another player 
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Mar 15, 2014 10:46
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I'm pretty sure that's what this update implied. Minus the murder that is. Didn't she basically just outright say that in an alternate timeline or some such we betrayed her and so she's just betraying us right back? I like it because that's pretty much exactly what the goon hive-mind decided upon after getting betrayed by Alice. Yeah, this is what I think just happened. We should go right back and pick betray to that choice.
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Mar 15, 2014 11:38
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So now we're getting punished for betraying Phi even though we have never in fact betrayed Phi. If we betray her, she'll either MAGICALLY pick Ally making us a jerk, or she'll pick betray, and we'll still be a jerk either way. Thanks, Game. Hobgoblin2099 posted:As amusing as the WTF factor is, I hope we chose a path without a plot lock next time. Given that going back and redoing things is explicitly part of the game's narrative, I'm getting the distinct impression that every path has a plot lock of some kind or a game over, or more likely, a plot lock BEFORE a game over. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 11:59
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And More posted:Oh cry me a river, Phi. Luna isn't!  And so far, Tenmyouji, Quark and K are still cool. Heck, Tenmyouji might be the only guy so far who's betrayed us that we didn't get really annoyed at and did a do-over for. The most annoying part is that there's no way to get Phi to Ally/Ally. It would work really well since K and Clover Allied too, leaving K, Clover, Dio, Quark, Sigma, Luna and Phi all in range of winning.
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Mar 15, 2014 12:02
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ApplesandOranges posted:Luna isn't!
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Mar 15, 2014 12:08
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ApplesandOranges posted:Luna isn't! Yeah, the game pretends like the choice is binary, when in reality it should be quaternary. Maybe there is a really good explanation for it, but right now it seems a lot lazier than even Doctor Who gets. Also: K is kind of a jerk if you ask me. A Luna, Ten, Quark Escape ending would be the best. It will never happen, though. And More fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 12:12
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:So now we're getting punished for betraying Phi even though we have never in fact betrayed Phi. If we betray her, she'll either MAGICALLY pick Ally making us a jerk, or she'll pick betray, and we'll still be a jerk either way. How many times so far have people like you jumped way too loving far to a conclusion only for the game to quickly go on and explain poo poo? Calm the gently caress down. Phi says her vote is payback for how we betrayed her in the second round, and (I think) since this is the only time so far where we can actually choose to betray her in round 2 + also the path where we already know about time fuckery, we'll probably end up clearing the plot lock once we go back and betray her. And then we'll commiserate about both of us making paradoxical decisions based on things we haven't experienced yet and go have lunch or something.
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Mar 15, 2014 12:17
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:So now we're getting punished for betraying Phi even though we have never in fact betrayed Phi. If we betray her, she'll either MAGICALLY pick Ally making us a jerk, or she'll pick betray, and we'll still be a jerk either way. Actually, the magical part is that she picked betrayal just now--she would've picked ally otherwise. Looks like those precognitions're part of the problem, not just part of the solution. In fact, this game seems to be showing us the problems of using precognition when multiple timeline exist. It happened to us with Alice, and it happened to Phi. In the end, we outright shouldn't trust precognition for predicting how other people'll act, particularly when we aren't the only one with precognition. Only thing it's really good for is giving us knowledge of things like the Axelier duplicator. Also, I voted to go back and betray Phi, not because I want to get back at her but because I want to get it over with. EDIT: Actually, I just now had an idea of what knowledge might stop her. If Phi really is a robot like people've been speculating (after all, she has superhuman abilities like she just displayed right now), then she might have a shutdown/override password or something like that. EDIT EDIT: Not that overriding someone's free will leaves a good taste in my mouth, but it's better than having one person escaping on her own and screwing the rest over. Kaja Rainbow fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 12:28
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I hope the Betray option ends/plot locks quickly, getting kind of tired of just choosing the other path. I wanna see what else happens in the "everyone dies" path, dang it!
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Mar 15, 2014 12:44
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Damnit, people, we're going to have to go back and betray Luna at SOME POINT. We might as well do it NOW for maximum assholery.
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Mar 15, 2014 13:04
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Poland Spring posted:I hope the Betray option ends/plot locks quickly, getting kind of tired of just choosing the other path. I wanna see what else happens in the "everyone dies" path, dang it! Well we gotta find the password for that to happen.
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Mar 15, 2014 13:08
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Onmi posted:Well we gotta find the password for that to happen. nooo I mean betraying Luna on that path. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER
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Mar 15, 2014 13:12
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Poland Spring posted:nooo I mean betraying Luna on that path. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER How will betraying her stop Clover/Dio from killing her?
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Mar 15, 2014 13:34
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Shei-kun posted:Damnit, people, we're going to have to go back and betray Luna at SOME POINT. We might as well do it NOW for maximum assholery. No.
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Mar 15, 2014 13:50
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Onmi posted:How will betraying her stop Clover/Dio from killing her? With a different reaction to what we vote for, she may avoid the fate she encountered. Though chances are it was the Radical virus just making her kill herself, and NEITHER ONE OF THEM did it.
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Mar 15, 2014 14:31
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Oh man, when I got to this point, it was the first time someone referenced events that hadn't taken place, as I hadn't done the whole Alice switcharoo yet. I had no clue what the poo poo was going on. Is it too late to post this? 
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Mar 15, 2014 14:47
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I'm pretty sure that's what this update implied. Minus the murder that is. Didn't she basically just outright say that in an alternate timeline or some such we betrayed her and so she's just betraying us right back? I like it because that's pretty much exactly what the goon hive-mind decided upon after getting betrayed by Alice. Heck, that idea came up way, way back in the thread. Wild Knight posted:...Motherfucker. That's how Phi knows everything, isn't it? She's just playing Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward within Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward. We just didn't have evidence this strong at the time to support the idea. Also, an ironic statement from upthread when we chose this path: ApplesandOranges posted:That would make option 2 the best choice though - Sigma and Phi can come to an agreement to double Ally and Luna'd be willing to go with it. Phi, on the other hand, didn't seem particularly willing. But she has reasons, y'all. Nidoking fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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Mar 15, 2014 15:01
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BOOM, random speculation!
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Mar 15, 2014 15:07
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Is it too late to post this? I don't even know how to respond to this.
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Mar 15, 2014 15:26
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Well, theoretically the number 9 door is still locked in the last shot - so not everyone has to die after the lock. For all we know K could incapacitate Phi before she pulls the lever. That'll be an interesting one to break through. I still want to know what's up with her superjumps though.
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Mar 15, 2014 15:51
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Well, there is that whole "is someone a robot" question that's hanging out there.
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Mar 15, 2014 15:53
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Green Intern posted:Well, there is that whole "is someone a robot" question that's hanging out there. Also the "Possibly the Moon" stuff that people speculated. but honestly that almost feels like "On the gigantic" to me, more than likely, artificial lower gravity... What? It's nowhere NEAR the most unrealistic thing in the Zero Escape games.
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Mar 15, 2014 16:38
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This thread is so predictable--anytime someone screws us over, the first option to betray them back is gonna win by a landslide.
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Onmi posted:Also the "Possibly the Moon" stuff that people speculated. but honestly that almost feels like "On the gigantic" to me, more than likely, artificial lower gravity... What? It's nowhere NEAR the most unrealistic thing in the Zero Escape games. I'm going to be so mad if the big twist of this game was that we all somehow walked around this facility for hours without anyone realizing that we were in one-sixth Earth gravity.
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