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EclecticTastes posted:[...] 1.Not knowing you are a robot means his reaction will be equal as long as he hasnīt gained the insight because he was programmed to or believes to die for it must be so, if he is sick, right? 2. Assuming that a morphogenetic field trigger is related to Sigma gaining the insight, maybe something is missing to trigger the specific insight? I donīt remember it particularly well, but he doesnīt access all alternate memories at the same time, does he?
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EclecticTastes posted:I mean this in the nicest way, but don't step to me about Star Trek TNG. Data is well aware of his status as a machine, and all of his perceptions are colored by that. He's aware of his processes and subroutines, and is not at all subject to even simulated biological phenomena of most kinds. But we're getting off-track. You are correct about Data, but in the episode Inheritance there was another Soong-type android that was not aware of her own nature, and in fact encountering a situation where she might find out triggered a alternate operating mode, which could conceivably work here. I don't believe Sigma is one, though. I think the universe-hopping works better as a psychic phenomenon involving biological beings.
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Apr 4, 2017 01:04
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Yeah, I don't think Sigma's the android here.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:27
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Zack Ater posted:He promised someone else that he would tell Sigma, so presumably the person to whom he made that promise told it to him. Either this happened before the memory loss and he remembered along with the rest of his memory, or it's happened since he remembered. Zack Ater posted:While he could have gave it in a less cryptic way (I presume you're talking about the whole "when you see a two-headed lion eating a sun" thing), I'm guessing it's because throughout the game there's a ton of imagery of lions and suns, so phrasing it this way might encourage an association that helps Sigma remember it in a different timeline.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:35
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Mr.Misfit posted:1.Not knowing you are a robot means his reaction will be equal as long as he hasnīt gained the insight because he was programmed to or believes to die for it must be so, if he is sick, right? You're not explaining how Sigma could save himself with the knowledge that he's a robot. What evidence has been shown in the game that a robot could override its own programming, as you seem to be suggesting? Additionally, you're still misunderstanding how things work in this game. Sigma isn't accessing the morphogenetic field (as Junpei did in 999), he's moving through it. Based on Phi's explanation, we're only controlling one Sigma, and that Sigma is experiencing all the different timelines. However, when he jumps, he can't access all of his memories easily (they're in cloud storage rather than the local hard drive, to borrow a recurring analogy), and needs something to knock them loose. It's stated that with practice, he'll be able to recall more and more memories, more easily.
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Apr 4, 2017 06:35
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Unrelated to speculation and what may or may not be speculation, I decided to pick up ZTD since it was on sale. Holy poo poo, this game. 
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Apr 4, 2017 08:19
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EclecticTastes posted:You're not explaining how Sigma could save himself with the knowledge that he's a robot. What evidence has been shown in the game that a robot could override its own programming, as you seem to be suggesting? Where has that been stated? That sounds like information from outside the game.
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Apr 4, 2017 10:38
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Reel it in EclecticTastes. There's no fair way for you to have this conversation.
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Apr 4, 2017 12:52
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ApplesandOranges posted:Where has that been stated? That sounds like information from outside the game. This update, right here. quote:
The only way I can post in good conscience in this thread is to have carefully cataloged which facts are and are not presently known, so if I say that something has been established, you can trust that it has. Regy Rusty posted:Reel it in EclecticTastes. There's no fair way for you to have this conversation. I've already posted all the relevant facts, so there's nothing more for me to add to the topic.
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Apr 4, 2017 15:39
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ET, seriously take a loving chill pill.
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Apr 4, 2017 17:03
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Will anyone who has played the game please not participate in or attempt to guide legitimate blind speculation, kay, thanks.
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Apr 4, 2017 17:24
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PMush Perfect posted:ET, seriously take a loving chill pill. I can understand your reasons for wanting him to stay out of this, but he did nothing to warrant that language.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:22
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OddHaberdasher posted:I can understand your reasons for wanting him to stay out of this, but he did nothing to warrant that language. I dunno man. "Don't step to me" is pretty inflammatory language
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Apr 4, 2017 19:30
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OddHaberdasher posted:I can understand your reasons for wanting him to stay out of this, but he did nothing to warrant that language. I will point out this is the second time he's gone "WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE" all over the thread, and I don't think the last time was even three updates ago.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:07
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Okay, first of all I don't see 'don't step to me' or a similar sentiment in his last two posts, just pointing out things stated in something already posted in order to correct someone. I disliked ET's 'wink,wink nudge,nudge' as well, and agree that someone who has already seen/knows about the plot shouldn't post 'speculation' or 'gentle hints' but he merely explained knowledge we already were told nearly three years ago to correct someones misapprehension and then defended himself against PMush calling spoilers. None of that was inflammatory OR 'wink,wink' and indeed PMush's language certainly inflamed me to defend ET. Getting back to topic....I think that 'Sigma' is not a robot. I also think that 'K' is not a robot.
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Apr 4, 2017 21:11
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I'm thinking OddHaberdasher is the robot because jesus christ
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Apr 4, 2017 21:27
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Can anyone remind me what mention/evidence of Quantum Malarkey has popped up in game (if there has been any)? What I'm wondering is: given the existence of both humanoid robots and clones, what reason is there to believe Quantum Malarkey is involved in this in any way, besides the fact that 999 set it up?
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Apr 4, 2017 21:35
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Oh my god will you all just drop it before I break out the holidays. Speculators should be allowed to get things wrong, and should not be "helped" by people who have the benefit of full hindsight.
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Apr 4, 2017 21:38
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Some Strange Flea posted:Can anyone remind me what mention/evidence of Quantum Malarkey has popped up in game (if there has been any)? Phi and Sigma talked about Schrodinger's Cat, which seems to be the explanation for things like how changing our vote from Ally to Betray made Alice change from Betray to Ally.
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Apr 4, 2017 21:42
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The real question we should be asking is whether Quark's hat is better than Dio's.
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Apr 4, 2017 21:45
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Quark is just trying too hard with that hat, I mean if you're wearing an aviator hat you're either a pilot or a poser in my opinion. Dio's hat is suitable for many purposes and gives an all round 100 points of asshattery. Dio's hat fits, Quark's doesn't.
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Apr 4, 2017 22:05
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I'm secretly hoping Quirk's Hat is virtue's last reward. Virtue, how do we earn points to gain your rewards? Is it a daily log in thing or something?
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Apr 4, 2017 22:12
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Dio's hat wins simply because it actually fits on the radiation suit. You try putting Quark's hat on that.
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Apr 4, 2017 22:13
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Vexrm posted:I'm secretly hoping Quirk's Hat is virtue's last reward. Virtue, how do we earn points to gain your rewards? Is it a daily log in thing or something? It's a gatcha. You can buy more rolls or get one a year for free
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Apr 4, 2017 22:34
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Both pale in comparison to Seven's beanie.
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Apr 4, 2017 23:13
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I have a friend (not me) who is stuck in the game and isn't sure what hotspots she needs to proceed. Where's the spoiler thread I can ask? Can't find it in Games. Edit: Never mind, got it! Podima fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Apr 5, 2017 03:50
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Oh my god I can't believe I reached the end Count me as yet another who binged the thread in a matter of days; I just played through 999 and VLR for the first time with their release on Steam (after having played ZTD first back when it released, not knowing it was the third of a trilogy until it was too late) and then binged the 999 LP thread and this one because I just can't get out of ZE headspace. Anyway mostly what I want to say is that this is a phenomenal effort and incredibly fun to watch, especially to see all the poo poo I glossed over my first time through. Excited to see the rest!
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Apr 6, 2017 15:37
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Fedule posted:Oh my god will you all just drop it before I break out the holidays. i could go for a holiday tbh OddHaberdasher posted:Okay, first of all I don't see 'don't step to me' or a similar sentiment in his last two posts, just pointing out things stated in something already posted in order to correct someone. I disliked ET's 'wink,wink nudge,nudge' as well, and agree that someone who has already seen/knows about the plot shouldn't post 'speculation' or 'gentle hints' but he merely explained knowledge we already were told nearly three years ago to correct someones misapprehension and then defended himself against PMush calling spoilers. None of that was inflammatory OR 'wink,wink' and indeed PMush's language certainly inflamed me to defend ET. you're a brain-damaged moron who wouldn't know inflammatory language if it punched you in the mouth and pissed on you while you cried (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 6, 2017 16:31
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mandatory lesbian suddenly felt a sharp pain in the wrist "The second drug... Tubocurarine..."
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Apr 6, 2017 17:16
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reopening this thread was a mistake
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Apr 6, 2017 19:08
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Y'all are scaring away the updates
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Apr 6, 2017 19:12
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Virtue posted:Y'all are scaring away the updates Let it be your last reward *gets shot*
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Apr 6, 2017 20:02
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I think we're just dreading being subjected to more Clover, to a goon.
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Apr 6, 2017 20:23
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AweStriker posted:I think we're just dreading being subjected to more Clover, to a goon. I like Clover! 
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Apr 6, 2017 20:54
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Clover is a good girl and only murdered us once. There are much more hateable people in the series. 
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Apr 6, 2017 21:50
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I've been thinking of reading this LP again since I never finished it, but drat how long IS this game? Gonna be a thread 4 years in the making soon.
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Apr 6, 2017 23:26
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Clover is a good girl and only murdered us once. There are much more hateable people in the series. She never murdered anyone! Parallel universes which may or may not have even happened at all don't count
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Apr 6, 2017 23:46
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Putty posted:I've been thinking of reading this LP again since I never finished it, but drat how long IS this game? Gonna be a thread 4 years in the making soon. To be fair, updates just resumed recently after the thread was abandoned for about a year. We've basically got one path left, then cleaning up remaining plot locks and heading into the ending.
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whitehelm posted:To be fair, updates just resumed recently after the thread was abandoned for about a year. We've basically got one path left, then cleaning up remaining plot locks and heading into the ending. Fingers crossed
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If anyone has a hankering for more VLR while we wait for Fedule, I recommend checking out the LP on youtube by dragoneye13. The guy does a good job talking about his thoughts and theories on the game, and most importantly, does not do a voice for Sigma or the narration. It's frankly criminal how few views he's gotten, so definitely check him out (if you don't mind spoiling yourself that is - as I post this, he's very near the end of the game). First video is here, though he also did a part 0 recap of 999.
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