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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Seems that Clover betrayed Alice intentionally, judging by her reaction.  I think it's just Dio being a jerk, though. If we do find out the truth, I doubt we'd find out soon. Wild Knight posted:Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model? I'm just going to guess they didn't finalize having Sigma having any portrait or something until after the did the scenes. Unless we're seeing it through Sigma's eyes, and he decided to stand off to the side for some reason.
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We've already seen the next set of door - red, blue, and green. Absent some other kind of rules-fuckery, it seems like we're stuck with Alice this time around.
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Green Intern posted:Sigma is the cameraman. Well yeah, it's first person view. Sigma is just standing to the side and is also suddenly 15 feet tall/levitating.
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Jun 5, 2013 05:02
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"Oh, by the way, I forgot to tell you, you can't go through a Chromatic Door you've already gone through."
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Wild Knight posted:Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model?
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Jun 5, 2013 05:09
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Yeah Bro posted:Seriously? The safest choice is to keep teaming up with Luna, because the others will die if they ally and get betrayed. If we go with Tenmyouji or Alice, they'd probably betray us just to make sure they don't die; Luna is the only safe choice if we want to get 9 BP. Course, we'll probably get a bad ending for not saving everyone, but at least 3 people'd make it out fine. I didn't mean safest for us, I meant safest in terms of keeping everybody alive. It's definitely a bigger risk for us to pair up with someone with 1 BP, but the net gain for the entire group will likely be bigger if we do.
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Jun 5, 2013 05:10
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I just want to jump in here and say great LP. And that this voice acting is amazing.
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Jun 5, 2013 05:33
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kvltmanifesto posted:Yeah, I found it pretty distracting when I played through. But apparently it's just standard practice for visual novels. I'm pretty sure most of them are the same way. Cake Attack posted:It's another one of those VN conventions meant so that the main character can be more of a cypher for the player. Just like the lack of voice acting for Sigma. You guys should keep in mind that the Zero Escape series is basically a spiritual successor to the Infinity series (its head writer was one of the main writers for those games and 999 reused a ton of plot twists and setting elements from those games). The Infinity games really loved messing with your expectations by having standard visual novel devices actually be hiding or foreshadowing major plot twists. The whole "you can't see the protagonist because this is a visual novel" thing was played with extensively in Ever17 to great effect where for about half the game you're not even who you think you are and another character is actually who you think you are pretending to be the character who is the player perspective in the other half of the game. Usually if there's some unnecessary convention being followed, it is because the game is screwing with you (like the "large box for narration, small box for character dialogue" format in 999 actually having Akane's perspective on events the entire time).
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Phelddagrif posted:I didn't mean safest for us, I meant safest in terms of keeping everybody alive. It's definitely a bigger risk for us to pair up with someone with 1 BP, but the net gain for the entire group will likely be bigger if we do. So, let ourselves lose 2 BP in order to bring someone else up to 4? Could work, but then you have to consider what the other groups are doing; both K+Clover and Dio+Quark only need 3 BP to get out, if they manage to trick someone into allying with them (I bet Quark is a sneaky betraying bastard, ready to back stab anyone if need be) then they'll have 9 and be able to leave, meaning that we and the rest of the group'd be up poo poo creek. Anything but self-preservation is too dangerous to consider with the current amount of unknown variables.
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Jun 5, 2013 05:36
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I suspect we'll be swapping pairs or colors soon to keep things unpredictable (and a chance to be in a room with Dio, Quark, K, or Clover).
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Jun 5, 2013 05:40
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Autumncomet posted:I suspect we'll be swapping pairs or colors soon to keep things unpredictable (and a chance to be in a room with Dio, Quark, K, or Clover). Yeah, "soon." At the very least, the colors have already changed.
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Jun 5, 2013 05:45
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Yeah, and Quark has the other blue Pair, which means we're gonna team up with that backstabbing, lying little bastard.
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Terper posted:Yeah, and Quark has the other blue Pair, which means we're gonna team up with that backstabbing, lying little bastard. If you're referring to that animated gif with the updated numbers, that was from before the colors changed (note Sigma still being red.)
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Jun 5, 2013 06:13
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That's not blue. It's Cyan.
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^^ Blue, cyan, whatever.King of Solomon posted:If you're referring to that animated gif with the updated numbers, that was from before the colors changed (note Sigma still being red.) Ah, right. Didn't notice. So, uh... who do you people want us to team up with?
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Terper posted:^^ Blue, cyan, whatever. If the colors and pairs did change no clue.
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Jun 5, 2013 06:38
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If we go with 999's tradition, the true ending would most likely be one where we will solve puzzles with all other eight persons.
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Jun 5, 2013 07:10
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Fedule posted:
Another pet peeve about replaying the game: this particular update is mostly skippable, except for the part where Zero predicts the deaths of the players (which depend on the people with 1 BP in this round). Always caught me off-guard after a good chunk of skipped dialogue.
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Jun 5, 2013 07:24
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That is kind of minorly a spoiler? Edit maybe?
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Jun 5, 2013 07:32
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Yeah I'd edit that out to be safe.
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Jun 5, 2013 07:57
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It's...really not a spoiler to suggest that the results of the first round of the AB game will be different when the opponents are different. Keep in mind that every pair/solo combination changes when you take the other doors. That's not a spoiler, Phi pointed that out before we chose the Magenta door.
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Jun 5, 2013 07:59
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You only have to mash A for those couple lines before you can autoskip again. It's not like 999 where you have to go through the entire scene because a couple lines are different.
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Jun 5, 2013 08:35
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The scenes in 999 are also shorter than those we've seen so far. I'd take 999's "autoskip" over those loving beeping dot animations any day 
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Dio's version of the story doesn't really add up: if he's really telling the truth about Quark being a backstabbing little bastard, it would be in his interests to keep quiet about it and act the villain to make other people trust Quark in order to expedite future betrayals. As it is, telling that story about Quark only serves to create reasonable doubt about his own trustworthiness by making Quark seem like the villain. He still needs other people to ally with him if he wants to gain anything from betrayals, after all. I also much prefer Rie Kugimiya's rendition of Quark's speech, and Quark's dialogue in general. She makes him sound all innocent and adorable and childlike while spouting those evil, evil lines, creating a very creepy dissonant effect, instead of the English version where it's a very heavy-handed, muahaha villainous mastermind kind of delivery. No subtlety or originality there. I really wish we could choose to set individual characters to one voice track or the other. For most of the characters, either voice works quite well, but I strongly prefer the English version of Tenmyouji (badass grandpa instead of "doddering senior citizen", I believe someone called him earlier) and the Japanese version of Quark (cute instead of just... bratty and bland). Also, holy drat Zero III never stops chewing the scenery. I really appreciate the efforts to liven up the exposition, and it IS pretty entertaining, but the Japanese version feels more subtly menacing. The English version makes me pay far more attention to the actress than to the character itself; every time I listen to her I can practically see the voice actress hamming it up and having the time of her life in a recording booth, instead of getting immersed in the character. Also the loving cackling really gets on my loving nerves. It's a great PERFORMANCE, to be sure, but that's the problem with it, I believe. It's very obvious and in your face about the fact that it's a performance.
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xxlicious posted:It's very obvious and in your face about the fact that it's a performance. i.e. us.
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I do like that it's cute and wacky! It's all very fun and entertaining, and I do think that it's an improvement over how Zero was pretty much a non-character in 999. It's just that the Japanese version still has that fun wackiness without being so completely over-the-top to the point that it gets distracting and immersion-breaking. Well, to me at least. I keep focusing on her vocal patterns and anticipating what kind of tone she's going to use next, because she's being so blatant and deliberate about her delivery. I still find it really entertaining though, irritating cackles aside.
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I wonder how(if at all) we will get assigned new pairs. If we get to choose(one can always hope), it is everyones best interest to keep Phi and Siggy together because you know Phi will betray if she is not with us, and enter next door with Alice, then have Ten and Luna pair up and go through the door with Quark because Ten won't betray Quark, and Quark will be able to choose for himself, and leave Dio with K and Clover, and gently caress'em.
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Medieval Medic posted:I wonder how(if at all) we will get assigned new pairs. If we get to choose(one can always hope), it is everyones best interest to keep Phi and Siggy together, and enter next door with Alice, then have Ten and Luna pair up and go through the door with Quark, and leave Dio with K and Clover. I'd probably actually pair Ten and Quark and group them with Luna - if Ten and Quark are separate and Quark is indeed a backstabber he could just Betray again and doom Tenmyouji. With Ten and Quark together, even if Quark betrays it's just helping Ten, and Luna can afford the point hit. The problem of course is that Quark just wins if that happens.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'd probably actually pair Ten and Quark and group them with Luna - if Ten and Quark are separate and Quark is indeed a backstabber he could just Betray again and doom Tenmyouji. With Ten and Quark together, even if Quark betrays it's just helping Ten, and Luna can afford the point hit. The problem of course is that Quark just wins if that happens. For them to 'win' they have to physically reach the door and pull the lever - since Quark is a kid, it probably wouldn't be too hard to restrain him.
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Wolpertinger posted:For them to 'win' they have to physically reach the door and pull the lever - since Quark is a kid, it probably wouldn't be too hard to restrain him. We still haven't seen how Zero would react to physical violence, though. Trying to restrain him could get you penalised.
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24,009,004,897? Ok, that has to be something, but googling it seems a very bad idea if you want to avoid spoilers. It isn't random, because it is a prime number.
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Jun 5, 2013 16:57
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Fat Samurai posted:24,009,004,897? I remember this being in the OP, but it bears repeating: do not google anything related to this game. You will be spoiled.
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EDIT: Derpity derp derp derp.
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Fat Samurai posted:24,009,004,897? It's worth mentioning they changed this number in the translation. In Japanese, it's 24494897.
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Aerdan posted:The only possible significance (aside from information that may come up later...assuming something does come up later, which I don't know having not played VLR) is that the digital root is 9, primeness aside. Actually, its digital root is 7. There's no such thing as a prime number with a digital root of 9, since every number with a digital root of 9 is a multiple of 9.
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orenronen posted:It's worth mentioning they changed this number in the translation. In Japanese, it's 24494897. That's not a prime. Oh, well, there goes my theory.
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Zandar posted:We still haven't seen how Zero would react to physical violence, though. Trying to restrain him could get you penalised. Someone was murdered and he didn't say a thing.
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That murder might have been part of his plan, though.
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Huh, I had just assumed that number was simply a joke that it was the largest value that was storeable in whatever format the round number was put in. I guess it'll be relevant some point later.Hobgoblin2099 posted:Someone was murdered and he didn't say a thing. Though Zero III did seem to imply that he already knew the death caused the bracelet to come off, much in the same manner as calling out Phi about knowing the death rule of the AB game. So either the murder victim had a bracelet and Dio took it; Something similar to the captain situation in 999. Or Dio knows more about the Nonary Game than he's letting on. Don't really have enough to go off at the moment. One other thing I noticed was that Tenmyouji kinda reacted badly. So there's probably a connection there. Similar to him and Quark. I can't tell if Quark knew her or not, though. So she could be anything from Ten's wife or a coworker. Assuming that this Nonary Game's Zero Sr. was targeting specific people as happened in 999, I'd guess Dio and Tenmyouji were picked out. Possibly for different reasons. K might have been selected on purpose, but no idea considering he doesn't even have his memory. And we don't even know what he looks like at all, under all that metal. I've got a theory as to who/what K is, but I keep thinking it's a bit too far fetched to be true.
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