|
Adnachiel posted:There's a 41 and a 74 in the water according this page. The 41 looks off to me though. The gray slab building reminds me more of the UN building than the WTC. "The arm that extends over the slender path" could refer to the part that covers the FDR Drive. The whirring sound in summer could refer to either tourist cameras or helicopters. "Cars abound" - the Queens-Midtown tunnel is right there. I get lost from there.
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 12:47 |
|
|
I think the only thing that makes #9 point towards Montreal is that "Dog & Horse" thing is identical to a statue in Montreal.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:26
|
|
|
The Monkey Man posted:Here's some analysis from someone arguing that 9 is St. Louis: Yes, that 68 I saw could easily be a 39. Seems like a reasonable analysis not knowing anything about either. But on the surface my inclination would be Saint Louis based on the fact that Montreal is outside United States and all of the others seem to be located in the US. Edit  This is the courthouse. And another  ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:31
|
|
|
Here's a picture of the "jewel box" in St. Louis: EDIT: If you squint, that musical note in the flower could be a 90, which is St. Louis' longitude. Or maybe it's 67, 61, or an upside down 19. 2nd EDIT: The guy's nose might be the arch upside down. The Monkey Man fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:35
|
|
|
ChesterJT posted:I think the only thing that makes #9 point towards Montreal is that "Dog & Horse" thing is identical to a statue in Montreal. The editor of the book is also from Montreal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kelly_%28writer%29
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:36
|
|
|
The dog and horse thing is just so identical, I can't see it being anything but Montreal personally, the top right of his head it bugging me, it's something, but I can't come up with what.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:40
|
|
|
Cask 3/North Carolina Is there any way to get a better scan of this image? It's very dark and there are features that I can't make out. Up at the top of the window, it looks like there might be two slitted eyes, like a gargoyle or dragon or something? Don't know if it's relevant, because I can't see if it's actually there or not. In addition to that, in the lower right, there are one or two objects. One looks like it might be a spoon? Is there something in the bowl of the spoon? What's the thing to the lower right of the spoon?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:44
|
|
|
If you got to http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage you can download their "high scans" from what looks like 2004 from the BunnyEars website link.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 05:49
|
|
|
Verse 6 Of all the romance retold Men of tales and tunes Cruel and bold Seen here By eyes of old Stand and listen to the birds Hear the cool, clear song of water Harken to the words: Freedom at the birth of a century Or May 1913 Edwin and Edwina named after him Or on the eighth a scene Where law defended Between two arms extended Below the bar that binds Reference to a publisher or legal bar association...? Beside the long palm's shadow Embedded in the sand Waits the Fair remuneration Capitalized, someone's name...? White house close at hand. I'm wondering if the tennis court is the right area. The 'where law defended', 'bar that binds' and 'long palm's shadow' (the long arm of the law?) strike me as referring to courthouse/legal things. 'White House' could refer to the old 'The White House' in SF.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:24
|
|
|
quote:
Some things stand out to me on this image that I can't really see anything for. Maybe you guys will. - The fingers on the right hand are odd. Why can we only see four and why are they in that shape? - With regards to the upper frames, why is only the second one from the left split in two? - The birds feet come together in a strange shape. - There's something written on the clock face under the arms that I can't make out. -  What's up with that weird rear end shadow under her nose that goes straight past her chin? It's certainly not natural.-  That little bump in the white looks weird.- Why is the shape of the two bird's wings so different? - Why does the dotted pane all the way to the left have more color variation? - Why are two squares the same color when the rest aren't even close? -  There's something really strange here, I just can't tell what.In regards to one of the stranger lines in the riddle, a Vol is actually a symbol. It is mainly french. A vol is a once-obscure heraldic symbol consisting of a pair of outstretched, usually plumed bird's wings, which are connected together at their shoulders without having any bird's body in the middle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol I'm having a crazy difficult time finding an image of one.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:28
|
|
|
Kingnothing posted:But the face of the image is really close to the Statue of Liberty's face, especially the point in the hair and the flowly robes. The statue of liberty's face is looking straight out, yet in this picture the woman is looking a tad down and to the right. I wonder if this is also a clue that she is looking towards the direction we need to be looking.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:29
|
|
|
Bankok posted:If you got to http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage you can download their "high scans" from what looks like 2004 from the BunnyEars website link. Thanks, I had tried to download one of the other linked zip files, and the link was non-functional. The image is better, but I still can't see if that's actually something up at the top of the window, or if it's some kind of printing anomaly.  I also still can't tell what that is under the spoon either.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:32
|
|
|
There also seems to be something just below the middle of the clock in the New York one, but it's either too grainy to make out, or I'm imagining things.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:35
|
|
|
Also, this page is old as hell (last modified 2006), but this person claims she will forward any message to the illustrator. http://www.sarafelix.com/johnjude.html If anyone is interested in giving this a shot. Bankok posted:There also seems to be something just below the middle of the clock in the New York one, but it's either too grainy to make out, or I'm imagining things. No, something is definitely there, that's what I was pointing out. It's too low res to see. We need an actual copy of the book I think.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:36
|
|
|
I wonder who has the original artwork, love to see some high def scans of them.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:40
|
|
|
Bankok posted:I wonder who has the original artwork, love to see some high def scans of them. There appear to be a few copies of the original book at least on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Secret-Sean-Kelly-John-Pierard-and-Byron-Preiss-1982-Paperback-Illustrated-/4911258
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:47
|
|
|
Amazon has a few too, was pondering ordering one. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0553014080/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all Actually I did order one, so we'll see.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:49
|
|
|
Verse 11 Pass two friends of octave In December Ride the man of oz To the land near the window There's a road that leads to Dark forest Where white is in color With two maps After circle and square I don't know for sure what much of this means, but going by what what others have posted in this thread and what I know/gathered, I think these clues basically leads up to the Elizabethan gardens, specifically the sunken gardens. In July and August A path beckons To mica and driftwood Under that Which may be last touched Or first seen standing Again, a lot of stuff I am no sure of. But as I recall, there are a couple of paths leading out of the sunken gardens and to the beach. Look north at the wing And dig To achieve By dauntless and inconquerable Determination Your goal. This last bit seemed that it had something to do with the wright brothers, since it was talking about looking at a wing. I googled it up and it turns out that several of the words here are actually on the wright brothers monument - "In commemoration of the conquest of the air by the brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright conceived by genius achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith." Added to that, the monument itself looks just like a wing...  and it is made of granite, which apparently has a lot of mica in it (? someone able to tell me how wrong I am here?) which could start to explain the "A path beckons, To mica and driftwood" lines. I dont remember, but can you stand at or near the beach at the Elizabethan gardens and actually see the wright brothers monument? I think maybe the puzzle leads you to the Elizabethan gardens just to show you where you need to go to actually dig. "look north at the wing" may not mean look to the north where the wing is but instead it could mean go stand at the wing (the monument which happens to be made out of mica) and look north for the place to dig. Was the original wright brothers flight in a generally northern direction? looking at the field and maps it looks like it may have been, but cant find anything saying so, just that the wind was from the north. would they take off facing the wing or with it at their backs? if they took of facing the wind, maybe the marker stone where the flight ended (the "goal"?) is the place to dig. A couple of other probably far fetched things to support this possibility; If you look at the illustration, the armor kind of looks like a plane, with the arms out like wings, and being supported by beams that look somewhat like the wings of the replica plane in the wright museum. And if I recall correctly, wasn't the field they flew from originally used to graze cattle on? If so, that could explain the helmets face plate looking so bovine like. ETA: according to this, the flights were to the north. I wanna go dig up all around the first landing spot now. 
Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 06:53
|
|
|
Deteriorata posted:The gray slab building reminds me more of the UN building than the WTC. if you're going with helicopters for the whirring sound, there's a heliport just down FDR. Kingnothing posted:- Why does the dotted pane all the way to the left have more color variation? now that you mention the colors, those panes sort of look like a colorblindness vision test. ruebennase fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:00
|
|
|
In the Boston image, the lades hair on the right (her left) above the flower looks like a map of a shoreline. It's definitely intentional that her hair is making a shape on that side... Why do they think that image has anything to do with Boston in the first place though? What is the bird? The bubbles? Barfoid 3 fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:02
|
|
|
^^ Interesting interpretation of the wing bit. I think you can look toward the Wright Bros. Memorial from that trail...Premeditated Toast posted:I grew up on the Outer Banks, and I think they may in fact be referring to it STARTING at Roanoke Island: Oho, your interpretation makes sense. Nags Head woods had actually crossed my mind when I first read the verse (the "dark forest" and "trail to mica and driftwood" parts), but I jumped back to thinking Roanoke when I found the island's silhouette in the painting. It'd be great if your sister could do some on-the-scene investigation. I haven't visited the Outer Banks in years, and now that I live on the opposite side of the country, I probably won't be going back anytime soon, alas. I can only speculate based on my memory of the place. Rehashing what people have proposed thus far and adding some thoughts of my own: Verse 11 posted:Pass two friends of octave Drive past Kill Devil Hills/the Wright Bros. memorial * So apparently the path from the sunken garden to the sound is called the "Water Gate Walk". Guess when the Watergate scandal heated up for Nixon? That's right, July and August.  I'm going to go ahead and propose that  Cask 3 is buried somewhere below the gate in the Elizabethan Gardens here: You're welcome, now send me some of that sweet sweet money and/or a shard from the cask that I can frame. Strongylocentrotus fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:02
|
|
|
allta posted:
Anyone else see the face in the darkest part of the front of her gown, here? [edit]Also, is it possible the grid at the top is a map of landmarks? The statue's face falls very neatly into one of those squares. A brief search for onion domes in NYC turns up the Cathedral of the Transfiguration of Our Lord:  Google Maps streetview: http://goo.gl/maps/227GI [/edit] bagshotrow fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:03
|
|
|
I've read the thread thoroughly, but which picture is supposed to be associated with the Salt Lake City location that is on the OP map? I don't see that anything talked about thus far includes Utah.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:11
|
|
|
^^^Yeah, there's definitely a face there. There's definitely another number in the hair on the right side for #9. A nine just below the ear and another number that I can't quite make out.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:13
|
|
|
Verse 5 also refers to a sovereign people where Quebec had just recently had a vote on sovereignty.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:14
|
|
|
Strongylocentrotus posted:Rehashing what people have proposed thus far and adding some thoughts of my own: To add to this, from lemontiger.co.uk: quote:In July and August I posted this earlier, but my hunch is that the "Under that/Which may be last touched" line refers to the "Croatoan" tree that John White found when he returned to the colony. Does anyone know if that tree is still there? Or maybe a monument/information board at the site of the tree? If you can see the Wright Brothers monument from that spot, I'd reckon it's a pretty strong contender for the location.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:14
|
|
|
bagshotrow posted:Anyone else see the face in the darkest part of the front of her gown, here? There is definitely a face there. It's either a man, or a lion??? Good eye.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:15
|
|
|
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/c7e4b/ More NYC onion domes, probably closer to what's in the image. Also much closer to the other landmarks being considered. Google maps: http://goo.gl/maps/38Ltc [edit] http://goo.gl/maps/Qblde actually, it's a straight shot down Lexington from the Chrysler building. If the grid is a map of landmarks, and I'm right about these two, you should be able to follow 55th street straight down to the water and find something corresponding to that gray rectangle. This is the approximate area: http://goo.gl/maps/8AG0X [/edit] bagshotrow fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:22
|
|
|
lfield posted:To add to this, from lemontiger.co.uk:
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:28
|
|
|
Sham I Am posted:That was over 400 years ago. how long do trees live? They can live a long time, depending on species of the tree and environmental conditions. But to the best of my knowledge the Croatan carving/tree are long lost to history and biological decay, and no one knows exactly where it was originally located.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:32
|
|
|
Strongylocentrotus posted:
I know exactly which gate you're talking about,  It's the gate us darned local kids would use to sneak into the place at night You can most definitely see the Wright Brothers Memorial from there, it's straight across the Roanoke Sound. I think I'm gonna have to call my sister and see if she can let me crash at her place later in the week. I just gotta explain all of this treasure business to her.. lfield posted:To add to this, from lemontiger.co.uk: Nobody knows where the original tree is, or specifically where the colony was located for that matter, just that it was on the north end of the island somewhere (where Fort Raleigh/Elizabethan Gardens is now). It wasn't until the 30's that people started to really look into the Lost Colony mystery and the tree could have been carelessly used for lumber for all we know.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:33
|
|
|
Sham I Am posted:That was over 400 years ago. how long do trees live? Possible for them to live for a couple thousand years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees California Red Woods are mostly a couple hundred years old I think.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:34
|
|
|
Did some more googling. Deteriorata might be on to something with the NY treasure hunt starting out at the UN and the whirring noise referring to helicopters.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:45
|
|
|
Premeditated Toast posted:I know exactly which gate you're talking about, Please do! I'd be there shovel in hand if I could. I'm actually going to be in the mid-Atlantic region this week, but I doubt I'll have the means/time to drive down to the Outer Banks. It'd be awesome if you could check it out soon. My one big fear is that between all the hurricanes and shoreline migration that occur on sandy barrier islands, the cask may have been washed away by now. Hope he buried it deep.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:51
|
|
|
ruebennase posted:Deteriorata might be on to something with the NY treasure hunt starting out at the UN and the whirring noise referring to helicopters. The UN also aligns pretty exactly with the Chrysler building on 42nd street.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 07:51
|
|
|
Houston I was talking to some friends about this tonight and one of them hit on something that may be significant. "What we take to be Our strongest tower of delight Falls gently In December night" Could this refer to a Christmas tree? Another friend thought she remembered there being a Christmas tree in the Japanese gardens area, but I can't find anything online about it. Also I reversed the colors to see if anything else could be revealed here.  1. A strange shape in the leaves up here, not sure if they signify anything. 2. The djinn's wrappings look more like a face here wearing an old floppy hat. A really creepy face and not the best thing to discover while lying in bed in the dark. 3. The shadow of this dune looks like a seated lion 4. I noticed there was something written at the base of this pillar before, but couldn't make it out. It looks like 53 to me, but not sure what that signifies. There are also different numbers of rings above the bases of each pillar. 1 on the closest, 2 on the rhino's, and none on the camel's. The closest pillar also has the number one inscribed on it, the rhino pillar has two leaves in front of it, and I still think it's important that the camel pillar doesn't cast a shadow.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 08:12
|
|
|
Awesome job on the San Francisco one guys. I was originally thinking verse 2 and St. Mary's square.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 08:13
|
|
|
For the New York one, it could be talking about Gershwin when it says Rhapsodic Man. That would definitely fit in with New York. There is also a Columbus Park in Brooklyn where Gershwin was born.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 08:25
|
|
|
Sorry it's so sloppy, I'm using the touchpad of a laptop (and it's 3am). EDIT: This may also be hopelessly grasping, but the shape of the red "skirt" on the suit of armor has been bugging me. It's very weird looking, so it has to mean something. The only things I've been able to think of that it kind of resembles are either a pinecone or the boughs of a pine tree...and from that one picture of the gate leading to the beach, there's a pine tree right next to the gate. http://i.imgur.com/WTIGfz2.jpg Mnemosyne fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jun 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 08:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 12:47 |
|
|
I'm not familiar with that place, but did the park have that same pathing shape 30 years ago?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2013 09:05
|
|
