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Neslepaks
Sep 3, 2003



Hadlock posted:

Yoga is lenovo's brand for convertibles

I have a nonconvertible yoga so ymmv.

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smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016



So I just bought an Asus Vivobook with a GeForce RTX 3050 Studio card. Ideal for my needs for location video editing/ wrangling and very pleased with the OLED screen. Only problem is that the latest drivers for the card wonít install. The GeForce App shows the current installed drivers are from 2021, and shows an update is available to install. It downloads it and then.. nothing happens. No error message , nothing. Just doesnít install them. Any help gratefully received! Infuriating.

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


Your trying with the GeForce app? Have you tried just downloading the driver's directly? You don't need anything special.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



Neslepaks posted:

I have a nonconvertible yoga so ymmv.

Link? :crossarms:

Aware
Nov 18, 2003


I have one too, a yoga slim 7i pro or some such thing with matte 2k screen. I love it.

Neslepaks
Sep 3, 2003



Sounds like what I have as well: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-Slim-7-13ACN5-R7-5800U.564438.0.html

I'm also pretty satisfied with it.

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Aware posted:

I have one too, a yoga slim 7i pro or some such thing with matte 2k screen. I love it.

Neslepaks posted:

Sounds like what I have as well: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-Slim-7-13ACN5-R7-5800U.564438.0.html

I'm also pretty satisfied with it.

This is very similar to the device I'm looking at. How durable are they? I have little kids and I'm careful with my devices but am drawn to ThinkPads because of that, plus I'm going to be lugging it around a lot.

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


Yoga's are good but they aren't really the same as thinkbooks in terms of design build. The Yoga line isn't the 2-in-1 line, it's the "Easy to move around" line, which is mostly 2-in-1 but not entirely (and I suspect they will eventually move to entirely). I'd still rate them pretty high in terms of consumer laptops though.

There's a couple really good deals going on right now:

https://slickdeals.net/f/15965548-l...teSearchV2Algo1

https://slickdeals.net/f/15965542-l...teSearchV2Algo1

Aware
Nov 18, 2003


My yogas lid dented easily enough in my bag somehow. I don't really care much but it's definitely not as solid as my old X1 carbon.

SouthShoreSamurai
Apr 28, 2009

It is a tale,
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.




Fun Shoe

Any recs for a work computer (mostly spreadsheets and reports and stuff, not engineering or CAD or anything) that's <$500?

I'd be taking it on flights, so it would be nice if it could play a movie. Don't need it for gaming.

SgtMongoose
Feb 10, 2007



What's the general consensus on the Surface Pro 8? I'm looking to replace my Surface Pro 3 which I've really liked over the years but is definitely showing its age now. Mainly use it as travel computer and it's size/weight have been appreciated when I also have to lug around a work laptop.

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


SouthShoreSamurai posted:

Any recs for a work computer (mostly spreadsheets and reports and stuff, not engineering or CAD or anything) that's <$500?

I'd be taking it on flights, so it would be nice if it could play a movie. Don't need it for gaming.

Used Thinkbook probably. If it has to be new you can maybe get an ideapad or something for around that, maybe with a Ryzen 5 if your lucky. Under $500 is a tough price point.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time

Grimey Drawer

I start a new web design job on Monday, and they just gave me these three options for a work laptop. I'm happy with either Mac or Windows, and my primary concerns are:

- Great color accuracy (sRGB and Adobe RGB)
- Screen that won't give me eye strain (no flickering to control dimming or whatever)
- Little/no IPS light bleed
- High contrast screen
- Comfortable keyboard for coding
- Battery life/portability is nice

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-pro-13-3-laptop-apple-m2-chip-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-latest-model-space-gray/6509652.p?skuId=6509652

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-17-3-laptop-intel-core-i7-12gb-memory-512gb-ssd-natural-silver/6502186.p?skuId=6502186

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo...p?skuId=6502220

I'm leaning towards the Yoga 7i because I have an older Yoga and I like it, but the Macbook looks more portable and retina screens are unbelievably good (last I heard). I think the Yoga 7i only has a 60hz refresh rate, and I can't find anything about the contrast, but I don't know where to look and it's too new to have many reviews. Most I find are of the older 2021 model that was 1920x1080. I haven't thought about buying a laptop in maybe 5 years, and I was hoping to have this information earlier than today, so I appreciate any help making a decision.

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


I'd do the macbook pro in a heartbeat as long as your company doesn't have any issues with the M2 chip. 8GB might be an issue depending on what you need to compile. The Yoga is far better than the Envy if you want the bigger screen and more RAM.

You can't get a 16GB MBP? Or even one of the 16" ones if you want a bigger screen?

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time

Grimey Drawer

Lockback posted:

I'd do the macbook pro in a heartbeat as long as your company doesn't have any issues with the M2 chip. 8GB might be an issue depending on what you need to compile. The Yoga is far better than the Envy if you want the bigger screen and more RAM.

You can't get a 16GB MBP? Or even one of the 16" ones if you want a bigger screen?

What's wrong with the M2 chip? I'll mostly be compiling small websites, but I agree 8GB is the one thing holding me back.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Just a matter of if you will have tools in your toolset that won't run on Apple silicon because there's still quite a few things that have issues with it.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time

Grimey Drawer

bull3964 posted:

Just a matter of if you will have tools in your toolset that won't run on Apple silicon because there's still quite a few things that have issues with it.

Is there a list anywhere? An M1 would be better I guess?

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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LifeLynx posted:

Is there a list anywhere? An M1 would be better I guess?

I think they meant "if your group is OK with non-x86 CPUs", because the M2 is a strict upgrade to the M1 in every way. If they're offering you a Mac, then ARM CPUs are OK, and I'd take the Mac out of that lineup. Well, actually, I'd ask for a Macbook Air over that Pro, the 13" Pro has a much worse keyboard and worse battery life than the Air and the Air is cheaper.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




The reason why the 13" pro M2 is the one on offer is the whole reason why that SKU actually exists. It's the corporate fleet model.

And yeah, the question is if all of your software works on an ARM mac.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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bull3964 posted:

The reason why the 13" pro M2 is the one on offer is the whole reason why that SKU actually exists. It's the corporate fleet model.

And yeah, the question is if all of your software works on an ARM mac.

OK, I'll bite: Why do companies want to spend more money for a worse laptop?

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Twerk from Home posted:

OK, I'll bite: Why do companies want to spend more money for a worse laptop?

Your assumption is that corporations are paying MSRP for it. By keeping the chassis the same as the last model, there are more opportunities for corporate discounts in bulk.

It also affects things like production and inventory channels and sameness of equipment. Companies don't care if it's M1 vs M2 macbook pro 13. There's just a steady supply of 13" macbook pros that are all exactly the same and at some point the chip will change over to M2 from M1 and everything is uniform back through the 4th gen with intel chips as well (even though different arch).

bull3964 fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Aug 12, 2022

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time

Grimey Drawer

The more I read about the Mac, the more I'm drifting towards the Yoga. Barebones 8gb probably won't cut it, and I don't want to run into a problem where I can't run something I haven't even thought of yet. Literally the only plus is the retina display with massively better contrast and refresh rate.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



I am aware of no issues with M1/M2 macs having compatibility issues, been using them for a while

I have no idea what that guy is talking about, maybe you could point out some concrete examples in summer of 2022

If you're between the yoga and an apple laptop, the apple is going to be at least twice as good in every metric, except maybe screen brightness (only 20-50% brighter screen)

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Hadlock posted:

If you're between the yoga and an apple laptop, the apple is going to be at least twice as good in every metric, except maybe screen brightness (only 20-50% brighter screen)

absolutely unhinged claims itt

agree though the MacBook is the best of the three. If you wouldnt have any concerns about 16gb RAM in the yoga, then 8gb in an M2 MacBook is probably enough. They use a bit less and share more efficiently.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




I mean, I just had a contractor this week complain about some MS data tools that didnít work on ARM Macs. I canít remember what specifically it was offhand as their environment wasnít my responsibility. Thereís not a lot of stuff out there that flat out doesnít work, but itís still worth doing research.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Hadlock posted:

I am aware of no issues with M1/M2 macs having compatibility issues, been using them for a while

I have no idea what that guy is talking about, maybe you could point out some concrete examples in summer of 2022

Building and running x86_64 Docker containers locally on the ARM Macs is slow as poo poo, slower than the same operations would be on the old Intel Macs. When you're running Mac x86 binaries on Mac OS, it's able to use Rosetta 2, which is pretty fast and great. When you're using bhyve to run a Linux VM and running x86 Linux binaries, it's using qemu to emulate x86, which is extremely slow.

To add insult to injury, qemu via Docker out of the box can't run AVX/AVX2 code, and will fail if you try to.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



bull3964 posted:


And yeah, the question is if all of your software works on an ARM mac.

Lollll whatttt

Mods???

There might be a handful of OS9 custom accounting programs from the 90s that no longer work

The first six months after release there were a few hiccups, but really within 3 months 99% of issues were resolved

In the last two years of supporting esoteric software tools on x86 and M1/2, we only ran into one issue where a custom pip installer couldn't find a path if you had installed a specific version of python via brew

M1/M2 are gold if not platinum compatibility now

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



What are you doing cross compiling containers on your personal workstation in 2022

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Hadlock posted:

What are you doing cross compiling containers on your personal workstation in 2022

Scientific computing, we're packaging a TON of software that we aren't primary authors / maintainers on so we can run everybody else's analysis tools in our environments. These aren't our applications, it'd be tricky to set up build servers for other people's projects that aren't targeted to run in Docker. It could be done, but theres so much manual work and tweaking that I'm perfectly happy doing it myself, just mildly frustrated at the slow-ness of emulating x86_64 with qemu.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



Still sounds like, fork project -> point your ci/cd system at fork, would work but ok

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



My brother just bought an inspiron 💀

His old laptop was old and died from too much illegal stream site malware or whatever. he said he'd talk to me for recommendations in the afternoon, but he just came back from the best buy with a 16" inspiron with a 4K OLED screen. I know the thread doesn't like these laptops, but how bad is this thing if 90% of what you're doing on it is watching videos? I imagine there were more cost-efficient options, but it's not going to make him miserable or anything, is it?

bike tory
May 6, 2007



A 4K OLED sounds like a great way to watch videos, he just spent a bunch of money on something that isn't as durable, well built or well-specced as literally anything else at that price point. But he'll be fine, it's not going to like fall apart or self combust or anything. A 16" probably even has a big enough battery to get him 5 or 6 hours of video watching.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



As a streaming porn spank station it's probably fine

If he'd gotten a Thinkpad it would have had a self draining keyboard

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008




Not sure if I can ask troubleshooting questions in here

My 2018 Thinkpad T480 is now running at like 80C basically all the time. This is in reference to lots of tabs on Firefox more or less. Not video content predominantly. But also stuff like even windows update had core temp showing it pushing 90c for an extended period. Is this normal, and if not what can be done about it?

bike tory
May 6, 2007



probably pays to start with the obvious and clean the fans/make sure the vents aren't blocked up

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

My brother just bought an inspiron 💀

Apparently he told the best buy employee that he didn't really play games on his laptop so that's what they gave him (it has an MX550), but I mentioned to him that he used to play TFT and league and poo poo on his laptop, and he was like, "Yeah, and I did like playing those first person shooters too..."

The fool. I probably would've had him get one of those asus or gigabyte oled laptops with an actual GPU so he could play warzone and poo poo (even a 3050 Ti would've been fine), but oh well. He seems happy enough with the new screen as it is, and he'll continue doing all of his gaming on a tablet. I can't comprehend it, but it's his life.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



Yeah check the vents, there should be less than 5 human or pet hairs inside your laptop total. That laptop you can just unscrew the back and pull it off, blow out all the crap

There's a tiny chance that your cpu thermal paste has become unglued but more than likely your laptop ingested a floof of fuzz in the wrong spot/s

Aware
Nov 18, 2003


If there's no human or pet hairs at all however I'd file a warranty claim since it shouldn't ship like that.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



Yeah no hairs is a big red flag

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Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


Aware posted:

If there's no human or pet hairs at all however I'd file a warranty claim since it shouldn't ship like that.

It's this in response to the laptop from 2018? Almost certainly out of warranty. 4 years might mean degraded thermal paste but I'd also wager it needs to be blown out.

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