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SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



So... the Zenbook's not going to be available until Q4, Acer Aspire s3/6 until Q3. I'm helping my fiancee choose a new laptop and I've been trying to convince her to be patient. Her laptop is imminently dying, as of a couple days the screen is half distorted. The Aspire S3 would be ideal if it was available now.

Did anything get announced today that's actually available? Or is the wait for Haswell crew still waiting? If her patience runs out, any recommendations? She doesn't like the looks of the T430 and wants something slimmer/more stylish.

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Guilty
May 3, 2003
I AM IN A DIFFICULT AND UNENVIABLE SITUATION AND I AM WORKING IT OUT THROUGH HONEST AND OPEN COMMUNICATION


SurgicalOntologist posted:

So... the Zenbook's not going to be available until Q4, Acer Aspire s3/6 until Q3. I'm helping my fiancee choose a new laptop and I've been trying to convince her to be patient. Her laptop is imminently dying, as of a couple days the screen is half distorted. The Aspire S3 would be ideal if it was available now.

Did anything get announced today that's actually available? Or is the wait for Haswell crew still waiting? If her patience runs out, any recommendations? She doesn't like the looks of the T430 and wants something slimmer/more stylish.

Get a tablet to tide her over, turn the old laptop into a desktop replacement.

Edit: not the Google nexus, a new one of those is coming out soon too, supposedly

Sendo
Jul 26, 2011



Honestly if you're not going to be playing any games and can live with 4-6 hours battery life getting an Ivy Bridge Ultrabook isn't that bad of an idea especially when they start getting discounted.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



A tablet's not going to cut it, she needs full-featured MS Office and some other Windows programs for work. In that case, any particular ultrabook? The Acer Aspire S3 looks OK, she also liked the looks of the ASUS Vivobook.

Sucks to get an Ivy Bridge ultrabook a couple weeks before they get discounted (especially after already waiting a few weeks), but her screen is borderline unusable at this point.

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

BEST I EVER SPENT

SurgicalOntologist posted:

So... the Zenbook's not going to be available until Q4, Acer Aspire s3/6 until Q3. I'm helping my fiancee choose a new laptop and I've been trying to convince her to be patient. Her laptop is imminently dying, as of a couple days the screen is half distorted. The Aspire S3 would be ideal if it was available now.

Did anything get announced today that's actually available? Or is the wait for Haswell crew still waiting? If her patience runs out, any recommendations? She doesn't like the looks of the T430 and wants something slimmer/more stylish.

What does she do with it? If it's just browsing/Netflix/word, go with the $250 Samsung Chromebook at Best Buy and then get something nicer in a few months (or keep that, since it would probably be more than enough).

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



She's a translator, so she needs certain features of MS Word including a proprietary plugin her company uses. Plus there's some other text editor specifically for translators that looks like it's from the XP era, forget what it's called. But most jobs don't need it, so maybe if she kept her old laptop around for use as needed that could work. What are the MS Office capabilities of a Chromebook? If it's just the Office365 or whatever browser version I don't think that's enough.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

Good news, everyone! I'm going to make America great again! But you can still ask me about prescription pant!

Buglord

SurgicalOntologist posted:

She's a translator, so she needs certain features of MS Word including a proprietary plugin her company uses. Plus there's some other text editor specifically for translators that looks like it's from the XP era, forget what it's called. But most jobs don't need it, so maybe if she kept her old laptop around for use as needed that could work. What are the MS Office capabilities of a Chromebook? If it's just the Office365 or whatever browser version I don't think that's enough.

So no chance of just getting by on an external monitor?

If she wants a slimline one, I'd lean towards the T430s because keyboard quality is really important if you're typing all the time. I've yet to be impressed by an ultrabook keyboard.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



Cream_Filling posted:

So no chance of just getting by on an external monitor?

That's brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. Thanks!

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

BEST I EVER SPENT

If she needs a laptop, try to pick up a Lenovo X120e. They're really good netbooks. Drop in a small SSD and you'll be set.

WHERE MY HAT IS AT
Jan 7, 2011


I'm really, really hoping they'll release a refresh of the yoga 13 with haswell and a 1080p screen, but they've been pretty mum as far as I know since the release of the 11S.

Come on Lenovo, don't let me down.

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

BEST I EVER SPENT

WHERE MY HAT IS AT posted:

I'm really, really hoping they'll release a refresh of the yoga 13 with haswell and a 1080p screen, but they've been pretty mum as far as I know since the release of the 11S.

Come on Lenovo, don't let me down.

Expecting this from the same company that offers one of the shittiest panels known to the PC industry on its flagship industrial PC and has proceeded to abort the T4XX series over and over?

HAH

Guilty
May 3, 2003
I AM IN A DIFFICULT AND UNENVIABLE SITUATION AND I AM WORKING IT OUT THROUGH HONEST AND OPEN COMMUNICATION


SurgicalOntologist posted:

That's brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. Thanks!
That's exactly what I said.... Turn it into a desktop replacement...

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



Guilty posted:

That's exactly what I said.... Turn it into a desktop replacement...

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood that. You're brilliant too.

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

BEST I EVER SPENT

Oh yeah also please include those GPU/CPU charts from Notebookcheck in the OP, they're pretty handy.

SoggyGravy
Jul 14, 2008

MAXIMUM
OVERGOON


InstantInfidel posted:

Expecting this from the same company that offers one of the shittiest panels known to the PC industry on its flagship industrial PC and has proceeded to abort the T4XX series over and over?

HAH

Apparently the Haswell Lenovo items are expected to golive on June 13th. This information came to me from a Lenovo rep. Not sure if that's well known or not but figured it couldn't hurt to state.

Sendo
Jul 26, 2011



SoggyGravy posted:

Apparently the Haswell Lenovo items are expected to golive on June 13th. This information came to me from a Lenovo rep. Not sure if that's well known or not but figured it couldn't hurt to state.

Dell also said their Haswell refreshes will be available around the same time.

Vinlaen
Feb 19, 2008



I know this is very subjective, but any opinions on buying an iPad versus laptop for using it on the couch and maybe on my porch?

I'm looking for something to use while watching TV, etc. I'm primarily interested in playing games on it but nothing too heavy.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Things are going to be okay.


If you're not doing anything productive on it then the iPad is a great choice. There's plenty of games and fun apps to try out. The screen is also more beautiful and sharper than 99% of laptops out there.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.




Apologies if this is a stupid question but: I want to buy a desktop to game on because the new consoles have not really impressed me. In order to keep the price manageable, I'd like to piecemail the new PC in. Could I buy a tower and, while I get money for a proper screen et al, use my year old laptop as the screen?

micron
Nov 15, 2005



So I'm in the market for a new laptop. There are some stipulations though from my IT guy at work.

1) Has to be an HP
2) Has to be a business model (ProBook, EliteBook, or maybe even a work station)

I honestly don't do any CAD work but if needed I could ask for a work station and they would get it for me. I would like to lightly game with it if possible while traveling but the video options seem to be lacking.

This is what I've gathered from here HP Link

I'd like a true quad core (I7 or I5 with a QM suffix)
My video options are Intel HD 4000, AMD Radeon HD 7570M (1 GB GDDR5 dedicated) , and the word station cards (FirePro M4000 or a Qaudro).

Any one have any advise?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


The Bananana posted:

Could I buy a tower and, while I get money for a proper screen et al, use my year old laptop as the screen?

Nope.

tiki-guru
Dec 25, 2005



The Bananana posted:

Apologies if this is a stupid question but: I want to buy a desktop to game on because the new consoles have not really impressed me. In order to keep the price manageable, I'd like to piecemail the new PC in. Could I buy a tower and, while I get money for a proper screen et al, use my year old laptop as the screen?

You'd need to buy an LCD controller board to do so, and for that price of that you can buy a decent used LCD monitor off craigslist or wherever ($30).

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.




Well poo poo. Thanks for the answers.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



The Bananana posted:

I'd like to piecemeal the new PC in. Could I buy a tower and, while I get money for a proper screen et al, use my year old laptop as the screen?

Nope, but a 15' HDMI cable is about $10 on amazon, and will plug in to the back of most any modern TV. 40" gaming rig! You may need a $3 DVI->HDMI adapter if your card didn't come with one or doesn't have HDMI out for some reason.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

Hadlock posted:

Nope, but a 15' HDMI cable is about $10 on amazon, and will plug in to the back of most any modern TV. 40" gaming rig! You may need a $3 DVI->HDMI adapter if your card didn't come with one or doesn't have HDMI out for some reason.
That's fine if you're just playing games but you'll want to gouge your eyes out after trying to read a paragraph on a tv.

SpacePope
Nov 9, 2009



Fun Shoe

Anyone know if the Intel Atom based Windows 8 tablet convertible are powerful enough to do basic Word/Evernote/Endnote and reading Pdf? My guess is that they'd be fine, but I'm a bit worried about the 2 Go of ram. I already have an Asus TF700, but android isn't enough for productive work, now that I do research instead of simply note taking during class.
I know that Haswell ultrabooks are coming, but I really need the battery life that Atom and Arm provides, and I've got a powerful desktop for more intensive work.

Also, I don't want a 'real' laptop since I really loved having a convertible, but I need something with the real Windows 8 really soon (1-2 weeks). I guess I could have posted in the tablet thread, but since it's not Arm-based, I hope that thread is fine.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.




Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

That's fine if you're just playing games but you'll want to gouge your eyes out after trying to read a paragraph on a tv.

Ah, that works. Thanks a lot.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

2880x1620? Yes. Too bad about the aspect ratio. And the keyboard. And the ugly. And the trackpad/size/weight/heat/everything but the number of pixels on the screen.


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3121_7...th-a-3k-screen/

Srebrenica Surprise
Aug 23, 2008

"L-O-V-E's just another word I never learned to pronounce."


No HD5000 on the 35W -M parts Am I the only one that couldn't give a drat about CPU performance to the detriment of GPU performance in stuff that isn't Ultrabooks (especially with turbo hitting mid-2ghz in dual core operation anyway)? It seems like for most "mainstream laptop" work, CPU performance is already good enough. HD4600 as the baseline is hardly very exciting.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

Srebrenica Surprise posted:

No HD5000 on the 35W -M parts Am I the only one that couldn't give a drat about CPU performance to the detriment of GPU performance in stuff that isn't Ultrabooks (especially with turbo hitting mid-2ghz in dual core operation anyway)? It seems like for most "mainstream laptop" work, CPU performance is already good enough. HD4600 as the baseline is hardly very exciting.

There's an HD5100 dual core part at 28 W (i7-4558U). That might be a decent option if you can forgo having a quadcore. I imagine the lack of bigger GPUs on lower power quad-core CPUs has everything to do with how much wattage the GPU takes.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004



So to clarify product differentiations:

i7 mobile - all quad core except one, all have HD5xxx graphics, all have turbo boost

i5 mobile - all dual core, all have HD4xxx graphics, all have turbo boost

i3 mobile - all dual core, all have HD4xxx graphics, none have turbo boost

or to put it another way

i3 - dual core intel processor

i5 - dual core intel + turbo boost

i7 - + quad core intel (mostly) + turbo boost + HD5xxx graphics

am I missing anything?

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

BEST I EVER SPENT

Stick a chart in the OP, that list doesn't really clarify anything.

Clown Meadows
Jul 13, 2003

YARRRR! Where be the gray matter up in this piece, son?

I'm looking at buying a MacBook Pro. While I can use OSX, I've never owned a mac before so I was hoping you guys might weigh in with a bit of advice. I considered a thinkpad after reading the recommendations in the last thread but after a bit of an investigation, it seems that their pricing here in NZ is relatively high and not subject to any of the special discounts available in US.

I'm looking at a 13inch retina MBP refurb. I believe the entry-level model will be sufficient for what I require from a laptop but I'm wondering what else I should be considering since it will be my first mac. Should I be waiting until a new range is released in hopes of a price drop or should I just go out and buy one when I'm ready?

Also, what does the release of Haswell mean for someone considering a mac? Is it irrelevant or should I be considering the thinkpads again?

Thanks!

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009


Clown Meadows posted:

Also, what does the release of Haswell mean for someone considering a mac? Is it irrelevant or should I be considering the thinkpads again?

Thanks!

Do you need a laptop immediately? Will you be using it unplugged ever? It would be a very good idea to wait for WWDC 2013 next week if you can, new Macs should be announced with Haswell processors. If you care about battery life at all, it's worth waiting to get a Haswell mac.

Shofixti
Nov 23, 2005

Kyaieee!

Clown Meadows posted:

I'm looking at buying a MacBook Pro. While I can use OSX, I've never owned a mac before so I was hoping you guys might weigh in with a bit of advice. I considered a thinkpad after reading the recommendations in the last thread but after a bit of an investigation, it seems that their pricing here in NZ is relatively high and not subject to any of the special discounts available in US.

I'm looking at a 13inch retina MBP refurb. I believe the entry-level model will be sufficient for what I require from a laptop but I'm wondering what else I should be considering since it will be my first mac. Should I be waiting until a new range is released in hopes of a price drop or should I just go out and buy one when I'm ready?

Also, what does the release of Haswell mean for someone considering a mac? Is it irrelevant or should I be considering the thinkpads again?

Thanks!

Once the new macs are announced at WWDC, it's possible that the previous generation refurbs will be cheaper (though admittedly I know very little about the pricing of Apple products). In any case, I would wait to see what gets announced over the coming weeks. Also, the Mac Hardware thread will probably be able to provide you with more information and specifics http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3426201

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Weinertron posted:

Do you need a laptop immediately? Will you be using it unplugged ever? It would be a very good idea to wait for WWDC 2013 next week if you can, new Macs should be announced with Haswell processors. If you care about battery life at all, it's worth waiting to get a Haswell mac.

The Retina 13" right now has pretty good battery life (7+ hr), I wouldn't buy one right now with Haswell around the corner but I doubt there will be huge gains in battery life.

Shofixti posted:

Once the new macs are announced at WWDC, it's possible that the previous generation refurbs will be cheaper (though admittedly I know very little about the pricing of Apple products). In any case, I would wait to see what gets announced over the coming weeks. Also, the Mac Hardware thread will probably be able to provide you with more information and specifics http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3426201

The refurbs won't really get cheaper - Apple is famous for older refurb products being priced strangely high.

WHERE MY HAT IS AT
Jan 7, 2011


Bob Morales posted:

The Retina 13" right now has pretty good battery life (7+ hr), I wouldn't buy one right now with Haswell around the corner but I doubt there will be huge gains in battery life.


The refurbs won't really get cheaper - Apple is famous for older refurb products being priced strangely high.

Depends on the usage. You'll get a fairly big increase for idle time/watching poo poo.

Clown Meadows
Jul 13, 2003

YARRRR! Where be the gray matter up in this piece, son?

Thanks for the info. I don't need a new laptop right this minute but I do need one really soon. My well-traveled Asus 1201n is on it's last legs... Regularly overheating while playing videos, crashes due to hardware failure, terrible performance at doing anything. I would like to think that waiting a few weeks will make a difference for me and I'll stick it out just to see what is announced at WWDC but being in New Zealand, the benefits of new tech releases in the States have a relatively slow trickle-down effect to us.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007


micron posted:



Any one have any advise?

What's your actual usage? How often are you at your desk vs travelling? When you travel how do you do it?

Personally I'm using a 2560p (which is only a dual core but that's plenty for most tasks) + docking station + dual monitors. This combination gives a decent experience when I'm at my desk but is sufficiently small and compact to travel with while having great battery life.

The serious downside is using the laptop display is somewhat painful, its a 1366x768 panel and not a good one either.

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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Nice eBay daily deal for $225

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Inspir...=item58a0b94891

Inspiron 11Z
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