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So the T540p is "out":  What the hell is wrong with you, Lenovo?
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I don't recall actually seeing it before, it seems to be actually configurable now as opposed to "coming soon" or whatever it was they had there up until very recently. Anyway, maybe it's not new to anyone else. And yes, my primitive chicken brain prefers to have the inputs centered with display as well as the machine not hanging off to one side of my lap. It's just a bit frustrating because it seems that with each generation they change something that didn't have to be changed, only to go back with the next version, like the spacing between the F-keys.
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Nov 21, 2013 13:54
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Holy poo poo, is that what it is? I didn't see the actual resolution listed so just assumed it'd roughly correspond to 2560xSomething without doing the math. I mean I'd take it over a HD display of course but that's definitely an interesting choice on their part.
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Nov 21, 2013 20:01
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Kreez posted:ThinkPad Yoga After using it for a while, what would you say is the benefit over an x-series tablet? It seems that the simpler hinges might be a bit more solid but then it's probably a bit more awkward to switch modes as well. Hadlock posted:It's possible, however not probable that an overly ambitious Asian med school student used their laptop once for this purpose. It's certainly possible to get by without a laptop so it is kind of a luxury... but unless it's an unfordable luxury, I don't see why not get one. I found taking notes on a laptop preferable to the barely readable and difficult to organize handwritten chicken scratch, you can definitely get some work done on it with sufficient motivation, and best of all, if you notice an error in your paper 10 minutes before it's due, you can quickly fix it too.
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Nov 25, 2013 10:47
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internet inc posted:How much space is left after the Windows 8.1 install? internet inc posted:Also, what's the difference between a capacitive stylus and an active-digitizer stylus or whatever they're called? H5N1 posted:What's the catch? It's an HP, I guess.
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Nov 27, 2013 20:19
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^^^ E: Yeah that's pretty much what I meant. H5N1 posted:
The rest of the HP lineup has a bit more... questionable reputation that the Elite/Pro-books, at least anecdotally. That was supposed to be a semi-serious expression of that.
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Nov 27, 2013 20:43
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LuiCypher posted:Jesus, that GT 755m SLI option on the Lenovo is amazing. Looked at the benchmarks, and the GTX 770m is actually inferior as a single card. Plus, anything that comes with the 770m standard is much, much more expensive. Well holy loving poo poo, I had no idea the GTX755m is an Ultrabay accessory! Are they compatible with any Thinkpads? Because sliding in a GTX 755 or Quadro whatever into my T520 (or another compatible model, at least) would be just about the best thing ever. I really like the Ultrabay and it's a shame there aren't more accessories out for them - even the numpad has been discontinued, apparently in favor of messing up the keyboards, but w/e.
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Dec 3, 2013 01:17
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Hadlock posted:Yeah, this is news to me, can someone fill me in on the details here? How recent is this? Ultrabay ports are all the same, right? So in theory you could throw a GTX755m in a $200 T410 (first gen i5) and play BF3/BF4? Here's a video of the card being installed into a Y500. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K66SgdoIdlI&t=440s The connector clearly looks nothing like the one on my T520's DVD drive, which is "Serial Ultrabay Enhanced" according to the label. Which I guess explains why there isn't a also a video of someone sticking it into a Thinkpad. It's really weird that this isn't supported, you'd think this kind of flexibility is exactly what you'd want on your Thninkpads: Alice the developer needs to test OpenGL code? Here take this Ultrabay graphics card. Bob scientist has to crunch some floats? Yep, here you go. Charlie must test Crysis 3...
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Dec 3, 2013 15:00
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And how much, exactly, would you like to spend? It would be much easier to recommend something within your budget if that budget was known  Personally, I wouldn't even restrict myself to something still in warranty (I bought an ex-corporate T61 for $100), but maybe a T430/T420 would do it for you. And if you'd be doing actual work on the (undocked) laptop, I think a T5x0 with the HD screen might be worth it, at the expense of larger size and weight - my T520 is ~2.5kg.
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Dec 4, 2013 17:46
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Martytoof posted:One thing that's kind of souring me on my T440s is that the keys are leaving marks on my screen. I know it's tight clearance in there when it's closed, but c'mon Lenovo. Never had this happen with any of the previous ThinkPads (X32, T61, T410 or T520), it seems like they've been going down the shitter lately. How are the trackpoint "buttons" working for you? Sadly my work T520 got stolen just around Christmas and I don't know what to replace it with  I can order a T530 now (stupid keyboard layout and old processor) or wait until the T540 shows up in SRM (worse layout and trackpoint buttons, incompatible with my dock or power supplies). gently caress.
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Jan 14, 2014 10:52
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Trackpoint, yes, especially with the concave clit. Never had the keyboard leave any marks, but magnesium rollcage or not, I guess that depends on the pressure put on the lid when in the bag.
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Jan 14, 2014 13:09
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bionictom posted:Thanks, that helped quite a bit. Definitely, the HD screen blows; the only consideration might be the graphics, where I think Ivy is a noticeable improvement. http://techreport.com/review/22835/review-intel-core-i7-3770k-ivy-bridge-processor/17 Does anyone remember if the X32 had the drained spill-proof keyboard? Dad's managed to spill something on mine but I can't go there to check what happened
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Jan 17, 2014 20:39
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, I'm incredibly incredibly sad I can't just transplant my W520's keyboard on to every future laptop I have. It's been utterly perfect for me in every way. I'm afraid the W/T520 generation was peak ThinkPad, the xx30 were already messed up.  Hey guys look at all the space we're saving  Bob Morales posted:That's why I bought a Lenovo USB keyboard for my desktop many moons ago. Same keyboard as my X220.  but didn't really need a compact keyboard, and they aren't cheap enough to buy one just in case. Still, I'll probably get one before they discontinue them in favor of the new and improved layout.While the 530 and especially 540 are pretty bad, but the X1 is just incomprehensible. The problem with replacing caps lock with home/end is that I've been remapping it to control and vice versa, so I had control in a good location and still had caps lock for when needed. Now that's gone, obviously. That's still just the tip of the iceberg that I'm not even going to get into. The are the mouse buttons, speakers, volume/mute buttons, the hinge, and all this stuff already applies to the T/W and other X series, not just the fake Edge series as I hoped.
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Jan 29, 2014 21:17
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So... any word on Maxwell chips in laptops? The 750 Ti represents a huge jump in power efficiency that could make gaming on a reasonable a sensible proposition. This and a refreshed Haswell or Broadwell just might make me look at a new laptop again, at least if Lenovo can unfuck their Thinkpads by then.
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Feb 27, 2014 17:12
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^^^ Yeah pretty much. SlayVus posted:Tick for tack the current mobile GPUs are about the same. Well I was looking at the desktop parts so far - performance-wise the GTX 750 Ti is roughly between R7 260X and 265, but uses 40 fewer watts to deliver that, and compares roughly similarly to other Nvidia cards. Presumably, they'd be able to squeeze it a bit more efficiency through binning and other black magic out of them for the mobile versions.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:39
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LuisX posted:Hi all, I have visited and asked for recommendations in this forum, and thanks to all of you I have upgraded my system numerous times with the right parts and quality. Thank you all! As someone doing photography as a hobby, my suggestion would be to spend <$1500 on the laptop and put everything else into lenses and other equipment. Wouldn't even recommend anything specific a year in advance, that's just silly.
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Mar 2, 2014 09:46
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zapateria posted:So I just unpacked a new X1 Carbon and I hate everything about it already. I'm probably gonna return it, the question is, are there any Lenovo laptops left that haven't been ruined by bullshit keyboard changes and broken trackpads? Our company is Lenovo only, but I can see this changing soon with these last models. Only thing keeping me from staying with my X220 is the terrible 1366x768 resolution and overheating/slow cpu. All the other Thinkpads are also hosed in terms of keyboard and trackpad compared to an X220, but significantly less so than the X1. Whether they're bad enough is up to you; I'm trying to procure another T520 from our IT department instead of ordering the new one.
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Mar 4, 2014 19:14
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So IT's starting to bug me about ordering a new laptop already and the only option are T540p or... T540p. However, I found a coworker who has an exact same T520 as I had and came up with the idea of a swap.
Going by Intel specs and this table the processors should be roughly on par, with the i7 having more cache but otherwise slightly lower per-clock performance. The screens are similar or identical, I presume. So it seems that at the cost of worse graphics (irrelevant) and less disk space, I can get a normal keyboard, mouse, ThinkLight, charger and dock compatibility, and possibility of buying it off-lease much sooner. Anything else I might be missing in the consideration? mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 12, 2014 14:49
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Bob Morales posted:Battery life is probably way better on the 540 By how much, would you guess? The T520s came with 9-cell batteries that gave me over 7 hours of reading and coding time, which I'd classify as "good enough". I don't know if the new ones come with 6 or 9-cell batteries, and the CPU has a slightly higher TDP as well though I doubt that'd make a difference.
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Mar 12, 2014 15:22
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poo poo, that's quite significant actually. But 7+ hours was still what I was roughly getting at the end of last year when it got stolen, and yeah, it's not a huge deal - I'm usually at the office, at home, or in meeting rooms; coffee shops aren't even on my radar and I don't travel for work too much either. I think I'll try to make this happen, worse case I'll probably end up with a T540 whether I like it or not during the hardware update cycle this year.
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Mar 12, 2014 16:12
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On the other hand, he's likely to be bottlenecked by the GPU, and the €965 one with the 755M SLI should be better in that regard.
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Mar 13, 2014 15:23
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Cheekio posted:I've never met a trackpad I liked, so I guess I'm glad I didn't get my hopes up. Anyway, here's the first in depth review of the W540 I've found: Here's another review I just came across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXa0XzNvuZU
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agarjogger posted:When my x230 expires in (two, four?) years [...] Yeah good luck with that, my X32 was in perfect working order up until dad spilled a glass of wine all over it a few months ago. So that's what, almost 10 years? Hadlock posted:They're no longer the silver bullet they once were. If you could still get the T420/T430 (pick your keyboard style preference) with a 1080p screen and Haswell/Broadwell guts, that would be my next purchase. You'll need to step up to a T520 but they were available with pretty nice 1080p screens and the only real sacrifice with Sandy Bridge vs Haswell is some battery life, which depending on your use case might not be a huge problem.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:14
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Jeez guys, it's not the touch typing that's problematic, it's the lovely egonomics of it. On the desktop you just push the numpad to the right until there's a straight line between your nose, G/H keys, and the center of the monitor. On a laptop you're forced to put up either with an off-center screen, or with having your hands constantly to the right of your body. Ps. Also the 6-row layout sucks.
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Mar 24, 2014 09:20
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zachol posted:Aw. Was really hoping to be able to avoid that. Get a refurbished Thinkpad, the Tx20 line still had the modem, not sure about Tx30. They'll be under $500 and... let's say you won't have to worry about its longevity.
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Mar 27, 2014 11:49
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They're very useful if you need to sketch things, add annotations or draw stuff, even general photoshopping. Otherwise, not so much.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:45
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What's the consensus on the EliteBook 850? It just popped up as an alternative to the T540 in our SRM and seeing as Lenovo's been doing their best to gently caress up their laptops lately, I'm considering going to the dark side this time.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:14
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shrughes posted:They're generally a fine alternative. Build quality wise, it's better. I think their chiclet keyboards are.. acceptable, but not eminently comfortable. I bet their touchpad drivers aren't bloated pieces of poo poo that take 2-5% CPU every time your finger touches it and then take 500 ms to figure out that you're scrolling, too. Thanks! I'll probably be passing this as well though, I dug up the specs and they're all using ULV (or whatever) processors. I do actually need some decent performance out of it so will be sticking to the full-fat CPUs for now.
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What's with the complaints about keyboards on the Tx20 series? Maybe it's a T420 thing only because I had two T520s and the keyboard, in addition to having pretty much the best layout ever, also was extremely solid and didn't flex at all. Changing the default for F keys is annoying, but what really blows about the FN situation though is that they got rid of the dedicated volume buttons and mute indicators. 
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May 23, 2014 10:44
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Don't enough benchmarks run for more than a minute to give a good idea of any throttling going on? Anyway, this doesn't really concern me, cause I just scored a refurbished T410 off work for $80  With the 2.4Ghz i5 M520 and 4 gis of ram it's not exactly blazing fast but when not loaded with all the corporate image bullshit it's actually pretty snappy. Hopefully they'll be getting rid of the T4/520 soon as that's when they started putting SSDs in them. Edit: Lol it actually beats my desktop Q6600 machine at multithreaded WinRar benchmark but not single threaded 
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Nov 10, 2014 18:59
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sarehu posted:With Thinkpads, there's reason to wait because of the whole trackpad thing. Actually I think with Thinkpads there's a good reason to wait now, because they just promised to unfuck the trakpad with the next generation.
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Nov 12, 2014 16:17
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sarehu posted:That's what I said... or meant to say. Nope you're totally right, that's exactly what you said. I misread.
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Nov 13, 2014 00:50
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Who cares  The keyboard is the real issue here, but hopefully it's just the Helix.
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Nov 18, 2014 14:45
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Old T-series stuff:
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Nov 24, 2014 19:27
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1) As far as I can tell it only takes a 6-cell and it's 44 vs 57 Wh, whether it's a huge detriment is up to you 2) Trivial, you'll just need a screwdriver 3) This seems to be roughly the market price for these, so you'll probably be able to find a similar deal soon.
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Nov 26, 2014 02:16
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dissss posted:T410 is too old now - it's been used for 3+ years already, pre Sandybridge integrated graphics sucked and the screen will be abysmal. Definitely not worth that much. I recently bought a depreciated T410 from my work and can kind of confirm that - graphics do suck but the screen, if it's 1400x900, is actually pretty decent and overall the laptop is actually quite zippy. However, $320 is way too much for it, I wouldn't pay more than about $200, and it actually cost me <$100.
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Nov 28, 2014 11:11
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Supposedly there's a 20% BF discount on custom ThinkPads: http://zdbb.net/u/7oo
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Nov 29, 2014 02:11
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Eh, It's not such a big deal depending on the use case. Yes startup will take longer as will installing software, but that's like a once per week thing for me, at most. So this matters more for launching apps but even then for most programs I open them once and let them sit there for weeks. I do have an SSD in my desktop and it does make a significant difference as I do a lot of I/O intensive work on it, but I'd agree with sarehu that for most regular users who just need a facebook machine it's a more questionable value for money, especially since it'd cost a significant chunk of a budget machine's total price.
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Nov 30, 2014 10:33
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sarehu posted:What, no ThinkLight? No 16:10 screen? Lenovo clearly doesn't care about quality. The keyboard's still messed up too, maybe they'll get it right next time.
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Grundulum posted:I'm never getting my desktop-style island of Insert, Delete, Page Up/Down, etc. back, am I? The 550 looks like a dual-core only workstation  Re keyboard, there's clearly no room for an extra row of keys above the keyboard, so no:  
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That was one of the reasons I went to Thinkpads in the first place.