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tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
My roomate bought a new MacBook Air 2 weeks ago and I instinctively tried to tap the screen several different times. I think it could be incredibly useful and awesome.



In my opinion.

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tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Hawzy posted:

Any good ultrabook Cyber Monday deals in the $500-$700 range? I was looking at this guy for someone that doesn't do any gaming, will be used for schoolwork / media mostly:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...CFYqPfgodDBcAZw

I'm seconding this request. I know the thread recommends Thinkpads, but I had one years ago and other than being built super tough, it was just OK. Their specs are actually quite poor for the price and since mine will probably only leave the house for a vacation or two each year, build quality is not paramount. If the build quality is 70% as good as a MacBook Air that would be more than enough. I just need desktop replacement for reading te forums and watching youtubes on the couch.

That said, Hawzy the main flaw I see in that system is a last gen processor (or so the "intel 4000 graphics" would have me believe. Other than that the specs look *Great.*

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Thinkpads are way overbuilt IMO. Build quality is great and all but I don't need a laptop to last 10+ years when the internals are obsolete in 5-6. For my money I like that Dell XPS posted earlier. Its cheap and should last 4-5 years and be fast while doing it.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I can't argue those points. Its just the cheapskate in me cringing at seeing people spend over $1200 on a laptop with simply average specs.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

vty posted:

When my entire job/freelancing/etc is wrapped around a device I carry every day you can be damned sure I'm going to splurge on it. I've never had a laptop that wasn't in the $1400-2k range. Typically MBPs, Vaio Zs and most recently the 2013 Samsung S9 (pre-ATIV).

Makes total sense. My employer provides thinkpads and in my 1 year of service I haven't heard of one breaking.


But thinkpads get recommended here a lot to people who just use want a laptop for the couch and I think that's maybe a bit excessive. As for me I'd like a nicer display and more pep rather than being space rated and vibration proof machine that will last far longer than is useful or necessary. I still have an old thinkpad from the mid 90's in a box somewhere that is in perfect physical and mechanical shape but obviously too slow to do anything, and has been for over a decade. Is there no middle ground where a machine can survive 6 years of use without falling apart but isnt needlessly built to outlast a space station? l

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

shrughes posted:

Anemic like that MacBook Air? Or what? I am confused here.

I think he means anemic like a $1000 laptop not coming with 8 gb or an SSD.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Just going by the benchmarks posted above (which is probably dumb) am I correct to infer a 2011 macbook pro would still be a really nice and quick machine? Just considering all available options and I'm open to used obviously.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I'm in the market for a new laptop (or desktop I guess). Primary use is to brose these great forums. Secondarily I will be streaming live sporting events monthly or bimonthly (ideally to my TV). The machine will probably never leave my house. I will be using it mainly on the couch while watching TV or on a desk/table.

I stopped by Best Buy on my lunch break to handle some of the computers there. Some observations and questions:

*Right off the bat I noticed ALL the 4th gen i3 desktops were way faster or more responsive than ALL the 4th gen laptops (i5 and i7)

*Every laptop under $899 stuttered VERY badly when trying to pinch to zoom on The Forums. Even the i7 equipped machines had BAD stuttering. Seriously bad. Like dealbreaker bad. The only exception was an Asus model with a i5 4200U that was priced at $599 and zoomed in and out very smoothly (I'm comparing to a mid2013 macbook air 13"). What's odd is some of the laptops that did a terrible job at pinch to zoom cost a couple hundred dollars more and used the same i5 4200U processor :iiam:.

*Most machines under the $899 mark also had bad trackpads. By far the best machine at any price under $899 seemed to be that ASUS model w/ the i5 4200U for $599.

Some questions:

* Dollar for dollar, are desktops/all in ones much better performing machines? Room to room portability is the most I'd ever need and many of the all in ones seem to work unplugged for at least a little while, as well as having vastly superior screens and being quicker as far as I can tell.

* For those of you who ordered a refurb t410 recently from amazon/newegg/whatever, how has it been behaving for general web browsing? How is the pinch to zoom :stare:

* After looking at all those computers I'm starting to consider getting a Ideapad Y410 to use as a desktop replacement. With the i7 and dedicated graphics can I expect it to have better all around performance than the machiens under $899 at Best Buy?

I basically want a computer that is very quick, no lag (especially not when brand new) and a decent trackpad and screen. Battery life is not important because I will be within 10 ft of an outlet at all times. Recommendations under $800? Durability is not paramount because, again, the computer will not be moving far at all or subjected to really any abuse.


Sorry if this post is too vague or dumb but I'm running off 2 hours of sleep and just finishing my 2nd 10.5 hour shift. I'll provide more details as needed.

Thanks in advance.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Hadlock posted:

Yes, but the question these days is, can you max out an i5 laptop?* Short of a multi-threaded physics-sandbox game you're going to have trouble doing that for more than 15 minutes at a time.

The answer to the question I posed, unless you do 3D modeling or some form of postgrad engineering research, is no.

Responsiveness is going to be a mix of ram (>4GB greatly prefered) and SSD. Mostly SSD. If responsiveness is something you're worried about, go Win 8.1 and go SSD or go home.

The issue is some windows laptops I tried with 4-8 gigs ram and an i5 (4200U and others) seem to be overwhelmed with simply zooming in on The Awful Forums. I can't imagine it would get better or faster running actually intensive software.

The more I try windows laptops the more I'm realizing I will probably have to spring for a Mac Air to have a decent machine.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

dissss posted:

I have to respectfully disagree - there is no scenario I've come across where reaching up to the screen I'd easier than just using the keyboard/trackpad.

Windows 8 does not change anything in this regard as absolutely none of the 'modern' UI stuff is worth using - everything has a superior desktop or desktop web app.

I don't own a touchscreen laptop, but I can easily imagine scenarios where it would be quicker than the track pad.

For example if you need to click an object on the top left, then top right, then the bottom center of the screen. It's much faster to tap those three points with your finger than to use the trackpad and aim and then click each one in sequence.

I can't imagine software that would require this, other than a simple game or something but the point stands that the trackpad is not always the best way to so something.

You anti-touchscreen people are starting to sound like the anti-mouse people of the last generation, lol.

Also, on a MacAir, sometimes pinch to zoom gets registered as an "alt tab" command (switching between tabs or windows). With a touchscreen it seems it would elimate this occasional mishap.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Lenovo outlet just put up a ton of last gen Yoga 11's and 13's. The scratch and dent 13 w/ i5 3337U, HD 4000 graphics, 128 ssd and 4 gb ram is $674.00.


They also have a bunch of current gen Yoga 2 13" w/ i5 4200U, HD 4400, 128 ssd and 4 gb ram for $826.00.


They both seem like good deals and I'm actually considering getting one of them. For anyone whose been checking the outlet occasionally like myself, Lenovo outlet has way more good laptops up then I have seen in the past few months. Hell, just checked and they have over 1000 laptops currently listed, usually the numbers closer to 100.

edit: may not be current gen

tesilential fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 30, 2014

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Does anyone here have the last gen Yoga Pro? I know it's generally advised against to go buy old tech, especially since Haswell brought awesome battery life, but it seems the Yoga Pro 2 only gets about an hour more run time than the last gen due to it's much more power hungry screen. The Lenovo Outlet has this last gen Yoga pro with i7, 8 gigs ram, and 256gig SSD for $684.00 (scratch and dent). Seems like a lot of machine for the money, WAY more than you can get for the price shopping new.


They also have the Yoga Pro 2 for $783 (scratch & dent) in the 4gig ram, 128 SSD and i54200U configuration. Last week it was $826.00 :iiam:

I know the current gen has a much better screen, but I've also heard complaints about tiny text and images and scaling issues, enough to be annoying IRL. This will be my sole computer, basically a desktop replacement, which is why I'm kinda leaning towards the last gen model since it has twice the storage and RAM, maybe helping it stay relevant longer than the new model???

Finally has anyone ordered anything marked "scratch and dent" from Lenovo. Their chat salesperson said ^Sirish :Scratch & Dent products that are also Refurbished, but may feature more minor to moderate cosmetic wear. As with Refurbished items, any cosmetic wear does not impact performance or quality." When I asked about the screen, keyboard, hinge etc "^Sirish :Yes, every thing will be good only thing is that you may find very small Scratch & Dent." They have a 15% restocking fee but I'm inclined give it a try for $200 or more off new price.

Now I've really budgeted around $1000 but I don't want to spend more than I have to.

tesilential fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Feb 4, 2014

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

dissss posted:

I don't think the 13" Air is worthwhile any more now that the 13" Retina Pro is available and not a huge amount more expensive


While the Pro is way more powerful, the Air is way more portable and comfortable for couch surfing. It's really the perfect laptop to use on your lap.

And the base Air (4gig, 128 ssd) is the best laptop at or under it's price of $1100. After trying virtually every windows ultrabook out at the momennt I'm leaning heavily towards the base air or waiting a few months for a refresh. If not I'll grab a refurb for $929.00. If the Air had a HD screen it would be no contest vs similarly priced Windows units. As it stands that's usually the only advantage a windows ultrabook has over the air, as far as I can tell.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Jerk McJerkface posted:

is the Air with 4gb usable or is it better to splurge for the 8gb?

I use my roommates 4gb a lot. It is hella slick, fast, responsive and I've never had any tabs in Safari have to refresh for lack of memory. All either of us does on it is watch youtubes or read forums, just general internet stuff. 8 would be great to "future proof" or if you have to run intense programs, but the 4 is all I will need for several years. Naturally 8 gigs won't hurt (except the wallet) and it would be super great to have the option to upgrade myself like some other machines, but overall the 4 gig is awesome and the best laptop I've played with so far (except the Pro which wins for it's awesome screen).

Hell, even the chromebook (forgot which one) I tried out a coupled days ago (2gig ram) was able to play 4 youtubes simultaneously with NO stutter or lag. All four (unique) videos were playing smoothly and even quickly switching between tabs didn't affect it at all.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
edit^^^:

shrughes posted:

This post is just wrong. The machines are very similar in weight and performance, except for GPU performance.

Go hold them one after another. The Air feels way lighter and thinner in the hand. While technically it's not MUCH lighter it definitely feels MUCH lighter. Now I'm definitely not saying the Pro is a big hambeast, it's going to be much sleeker of a machine than Y410P or something. But for example there are several 13.3" windows ultrabooks that are lighter/thinner than the Pro but I haven't noticed one that is lighter/thinner than the Air. This is a petty argument though, seriously for anyone who wants to find out go to an Apple store or Best Buy and see for yourself. It's pretty obvious. It's not that the Pro is "too" heavy it's just obviously heavier.
edit #10 or so: I take back saying the Pro is "way" more powerful though as I have not used one for anything intensive or looked at benchmarks comparing the two.


Jerk McJerkface posted:

Yes, but since he wants to game, and apparently the video card on the Air is totally insufficient for it. For couch browsing, I'm curious if you need to step up to the 8gb model.


Yes it is great.

poo poo if you have a desktop already I would just get a chromebook as those are super quick and nice for browsing.

tesilential fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 7, 2014

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
After months of deliberating between windows ultrabooks, windows desktop + chromebook or MacBook, I'm finally pulling the trigger tonight on a refurbished 13" MacPro with Haswell, hd5100, and retina display. The MacBook Air with retina is really my perfect laptop, and I just KNOW it will come out in 6 months, but I can't wait until they do a refresh and even when it comes out the current rMBP will likely still be the more capable machine.

I'm literally going with the Pro over Air just for the Retina display, and I'm OK with that.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

hotsauce posted:

So how does one bounce back from being stung by Lenovo's questionable design changes (sent back X240)?

Walk into Best Buy, walk out with an outrageous deal.

Noticed the open box cage had a 13" rMBP/8gig/512ssd for $1,799. Marked down to $1,611.

There was a sign that said "Friday and Saturday only - extra 20% off open box laptops!"

Snatched that poo poo up in a millisecond. I feel like I stole the drat thing.

ME866LL/A. Basically the latest gen Haswell rMBP.

$1,289 for a $1,799 machine with only 5 charge cycles and 11.5 months left on the warranty?

Yes please. Cheaper than the X240 and a much better machine. Considered flipping it for a few hundred buck profit, but nope.

My quest is over.

Good find you son of a gun! I just ordered a refurb rMBP i5 haswell with only 4 gigs ram and 128 SSD for $1099, $1175 with state tax. I would love to pay $1300 for even 8 gigs ram and 256 SSD. I need to check out all the best buys around here for steals like that.

Seriously good score, even last gen Ivy bridge units with that amount of memory are going for at least $100 more.

Edit: Also a friend of mine bought a 13" rMBP today with 8/256 memory and paid almost $1500 tax included, with an education discount. So yeah, great deal!

tesilential fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Feb 9, 2014

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

RVProfootballer posted:

FYI, Yoga 2 Pro scratch and dent or refurbished i5/4/128 available from Lenovo Outlet for ~$700, just filter by resolution of 3200x1800. A few higher configured models available for ~$900 too. Not sure if this is worth posting here, but it seems like there's some interest. At the very least, it's nice to know they're starting to hit the outlet store.

I posted this a couple weeks back, and almost bit on it myself (the Y2P base config is/was $720), but after handling the Y2P a bunch of times at best buy, I realized the resolution is TOO good, to the point where it sucks to use in desktop mode. As a tablet it looked very slick but just using explorer to search a drive for files was a PITA. The text is insanely small and apparently it's that way on a lot of programs/apps/some websites. Also the trackpad on one of the display units was sticking (the others worked fine) and one of the employees told me many had been returned for bad trackpads.

Also all Ideapads are known for having cheap/bad wifi and to me that isn't acceptable on a mobile machine with no ethernet port.

It is for these reasons I stepped way outside my ideal budget ($800) and went for a refurb rMPB for $1099. The windows laptops are just too far behind, theres always a compromise. And the very few that compare well to a Mac cost more than one. I did want a touchscreen (for the novelty I guess) and the 360* hinge is pretty sweet, but it just didn't seem comfortable and reliable enough to use as a desktop replacement.

EDIT: I tried the Y2P at 3 different Best Buys, and at each the display model had the Internet Explorer app disabled and the machine wasn't connected to the internet. Was that best buy trying to prevent people from realizing the high resolution made websites too small to comfortably browse? Every other Lenovo or other Windows machine was connected the internet so I found it a bit suspicious and no one could tell me why.

tesilential fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 10, 2014

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

VulgarandStupid posted:

It's to keep people off Facebook, installing programs and looking at porn.


tesilential posted:

EDIT: Every other Lenovo or other Windows machine was connected the internet


That's why I thought they might be hiding something with the Y2P. At all 3 best buys, literally EVERY other laptop (windows/mac) and desktop (windows/mac) had internet connection but the Y2Ps did not.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

How much RAM did you get?

You didn't ask me but I picked up my refurb late '13 MBPr with 4 gig RAM/128 gig ssd from a local Apple store yesterday.

I am extremely paranoid that it won't be enough 3-4 years down the line but really the OS seems to handle it nicely. I played like 4 large flash videos simultaneously in different safari tabs and they all played butter smooth, and in that case the Flash plugin was using about 250 Megs of RAM, and Safari itself was using about 100 Megs. which is the most any one application has used for me.

If you're like me and haven't had a modern computer in a while, it's weird because right after a reboot the system shows anywhere between 3.2 and 3.9 Gigs of RAM being used, but my reading tells me the unused RAM gets used by the OS to make things faster. I basically just use internet browsers, iTunes, other media players, etc, so I'm not positive I really need more.

That said, I'm checking out all the local Best Buys for open box deals like that other goon got, IIRC he paid 1289 or something for the 8 gig/ 512 SSD version. I paid 1099 plus tax for the base. If I find an open box deal, or if the 8/256 refurbs show back up within the next 2 weeks, I will probably jump on those and return mine, if not, I'll rock this base model as long as she'll let me. :)


*note: coming from Windows PCs (I do use a macAir regularly, but only safari for browsing) drat is OS X weird as hell. Finding the settings I wanted to change has been a chore and I find myself googling literally everything I want to do on the computer. I guess it will come with time.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Ya I wasn't even looking at Macs because I was on a tight budget, was originally going to do a T430, but those are $750, not $650 now. Then I looked at the Yoga Pro 2 refurbs, a great deal at around $750. Then I figured a refurb air is only $929 and would trump them all. Finally while browsing the Apple refurb store I stumbled across the most recent MBPr base config for the same price as a new base Air, $1099.00. And now I'm half convinced I should get the 8/256 model which is $1269 plus tax, effectively doubling my original budget. :stare:

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

hotsauce posted:

I worked another deal today at Best Buy for an Open Box Mac.

Got a Macbook Air Haswell 13"/128gig/4gig for $719.

Was $1099, marked to $899 open box. Chatted with the manager and asked for 20% off. He said "sure, let's make a deal."

Another screaming deal, but I have been utterly ruined by retina screens. I think it's going back...I was planning on returning the 13" rMBP 512gig/8gig I got for $1,249 to save $500, but I just can't.

drat you're good. I'm still cruising around to find any rMBP open box deals. My local best buys just have opened iPad Airs and windows laptops.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Midnight City posted:

Are there any cons to having a touch screen ultrabook if you will never touch it? Can it be disabled and/or does it use extra power?

I'm thinking of getting an Acer S73916818

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-S7-391-6818-13-3-Inch-Touchscreen-Ultrabook/dp/B00H7WF54K/ref=psdc1_t3_B00AH4A950_B00H7WF54K

But the touch screen is throwing me off.


That's a last generation S7. Haswell is kind of a big deal for laptops, especially if you care about battery life in the slightest. Still a good and capable machine, but you can do much better on the price for those specs.

The Lenovo outlet has last gen Yoga Pros for like $650 and they have 8 gig ram and 256 SSD. Same processor although some even have the i7 for the same price.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Midnight City posted:

Well gently caress. I thought it'd surely be a Haswell with how out of date the OP was. Any ideas of one around $700-1,000 model that's on Amazon?

Preferring a non touch LED or IPS screen / SSD if possible.

You are on your own for Amazon, but for future reference, i5 and i7 Haswell processors start with a 4xxx for the models and the graphics should be HD4400 minimum. (The Haswell Macs have much better 5000, 5100 and 5200 graphics). Last gen i5 and i7 start with 3XXX (which is how I spotted yours) and the graphics are HD 4000 (significantly worse than 4400 and less than half the performance of Iris (5000+).


I like the Yoga Pro 2, refurbs are under $800 for the 4gig/128ssd config. I was looking at the same price range windows machines but I ended up with a base rMBP myself, which was $1175 including my state sales tax (7%). Paid more but it should maintain some resale value as well as being a pleasure to use. The trackpad and gestures are awesome as is the screen and keyboard. The processing and graphics power don't mean much to me as streaming HD video and minor image editing will be the toughest tasks asked of it. I can't imagine resale value on a YP2 is good at all since the base models are $1000 and refurbs are already down to the $700s. I imagine in a few months you can grab a used one on ebay for ~$500, but this is pure speculation.

If it weren't for the YP2 having tons of complaints about the wifi, text scaling and the trackpad sticking over time, I probably would have bought refurb.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Hadlock posted:

If you work for an office, either get it through your accountant, your IT department, or get an employee code from your hardware vendor for a discounted version. We use Dell at work and through their program I got a copy of Office Pro 2013 for $15 including disk.

This.

If you work for any large enterprise that is buying lots of copies of Windows and Office, you can probably get a copy of office for $10. We use Lenovo Thinkcentres and T series laptops. I just bought my copy for Mac (2011) but Office 2013 for Windows is the same price.
Google "Microsoft Home Use Program" and enter your work email to see if your eligible.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

mfny posted:

Would be wary about refurb and very unsure indeed of scratch and dent. I am pretty fussy ill admit about the condition of things, particularly anything with a screen. That being said it would depend also on the cost saving weighed with the condition of a particular item I guess.

Don't be a pussy. Refurbs and scratch and dent are fine. The screens will be Perfect, if not Brand New. You can always return them as well of there's something you don't like.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

ColoradoCleric posted:

I checked wirecutter but from their recommendations I'm not trying to spend 1,200 or get something with a touchscreen

I had narrowed down my choice to these two.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231455
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231521

Am I correct in thinking that between the two the main difference is just going to be the battery life of the x550lb vs the nicer screen and more powerful processor of the r510dp?

edit: I do plan on doing a lot of excel so maybe the 1080 screen would be better?


Don't get any of this garbage.

I had a similar budget (~700) and ended up saving a few more weeks and spending $1099+tax on a refurb late 2013 13" rMBP 4gb ram/ 128ssd, which is an excellent machine and I have no regrets.


IF you absolutely cannot spend more than ~$700, google: "Lenovo Outlet" then search for Yoga Pro 2. It has a i5 Haswell 4200U (standard for current gen windows ultrabooks), HD 4400 graphics, a great screen, excellent form factor (I think the 360 hinge is pretty great and wish my Mac had it and a touchscreen for couch surfing with a beer in my hand, it's scary to think a little spill could ruin the Mac and having the keyboard hidden underneath the screen would protect against this) and 4 gigs ram with a 128 gig SSD. This machine is FAR AND AWAY better than the crap you are looking at. It is probably the most popular ultrabook in this thread and many goons have recently spent $1000 or more on one. On the refurb site you can get them around $720.00. DO THIS.


I almost fell into the trap you are playing into. Went to a best buy and they had an Open Box Asus that retailed for $1200 last year. They tried to sell it to me for $599.00. Even though it seemed like a steal, I resisted and went home and googled reviews. Apparently most of the Acer and Asus ultrabooks are *gasp* poorly built and simply things like HDMI ports or USB ports commonly fail after just a couple weeks of use.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

ColoradoCleric posted:

There's currently one for sale but reviews on newegg say there's issues with the wifi disconnecting so I was wondering what your experience with it is.

edit: its an i3-3227u with intel 4000 graphics for $712

edit 2: there's a dell xps 12 for sale locally for $750 but apparently both these tablet/laptops suffer from wifi that disconnects


I just checked, yup looks like the Outlet is currently out of the current gens. Personally I would wait until they come back in stock, check the outlet every couple days. Especially Mondays.

Even still the last gen Yoga is a better laptop then the models you posted earlier (which are also last gen). It's better built and at least comes with an SSD. I almost bought the last gen model with i7, 8 gigs ram and 256 hard drive for like $680 a month back.


Yes the wifi problems are well documented, as is the "mustard yellow" problem. It's basically for those two reasons that I personally did not buy the Yoga Pro 2. The wifi can be upgraded, I'm pretty sure someone posted pictures on the previous page if not 2 pages back.

Plan on upgrading the wifi adaptor for sure, I can't imagine having a laptop with bad wireless, especially with no ethernet port.

I also considered a Dell XPS 12, and played with one a little bit at Best Buy, but I think goon in here got one on an amazon sale for like $699 and decided to return it for a Yoga Pro 2, even though they'd end up paying several hundred more for the YP2.

Finally be careful on Lenovo's outlet (this goes for Dells outlet and even Apple refurb store) as you may see a models with vastly different specs listed for the same price. Case in point, the last gen i7 w/ 8gig/256 SSD I mentioned above was listed at $680 and they had several i5s with 4gig/128SSD listed for the same and even MORE money. The i3 you found at $712 is not a particularly good deal.


*fake edit* disclaimer: the XPS and YP2 are both on the low end for battery life on haswell machines. Most machines with the same CPU and GPU manage significantly longer battery life.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

mobby_6kl posted:

Jeez guys, it's not the touch typing that's problematic, it's the lovely egonomics of it. On the desktop you just push the numpad to the right until there's a straight line between your nose, G/H keys, and the center of the monitor. On a laptop you're forced to put up either with an off-center screen, or with having your hands constantly to the right of your body.

Ps. Also the 6-row layout sucks.

Yup. If anything, since most people are right handed, I would rather have the trackpad offset to the far right side of the machine, instead of the left. Even on my rMBP if I have the laptop on my lap and am just using the trackpad to scroll through the forums, I find it's a bit uncomfortable having to have my right hand centered with my body, instead of off to the right naturally in line with my arm, as a mouse would normally be. It would be cool to have the trackpad 4 inches to the right, but I understand that would suck for lefties.

Now having the trackpad to the left and in line with the keypad on a t540 or whatever just looks stupid and painful for everyone involved.


HalloKitty posted:

To be honest, worrying about the ergonomics of a keyboard an inch or two left of centre while staggered rows and QWERTY are still prevalent seems like pissing into the wind.

Why? All I know is QWERTY and I think it's just fine.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Cheekio posted:

Is anyone familiar with how Lenovos hold up to water damage? Was enjoying some programming in public and spilled a non-trivial amount of water on the keyboard. The battery was removed within seconds and the thing has been upside down in a warm dry environment since then, but as its the central piece of hardware I do all my work on I'm trying to strike a balance between being careful and getting it running quickly so I don't miss my deadlines.

Any advice for W540's or their near identical brethren T540's welcome.


Supposedly Lenovos stand up to spills better than most, so you are probably ok. I don't have one, but if I spilled water on my rMBP I would put it in front of a box fan on high for a few hours. Then I would I buy a tupperware container that would fit it and put in a box of [uncooked] plain white rice for at least a couple days. This has saved my iPhone when I dropped it in a pint of beer and also saved a feature phone I dropped into brackish water.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

agarjogger posted:

Glossy vs matte, is it totally a matter of preference/amount of time you'll be outside in the sun? I'm self-conscious and don't like staring at my own face for hours at a time, so I avoided Macs and their glossiness.

My roommate has a mid '13 Air and I have a late '13 rMBP, I have never seen my reflection in either screen. In fact even with the blinds open you can hardly see the reflection of my sliding glass door even with sun shining through and the brightness around 60%. If you turn the brightness up to 90-100%, all glare goes away. These modern glossy displays don't really reflect much glare.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

blatman posted:

gaming laptops


Please read the last couple pages which were full of horrible gaming laptop discussion.

Seriously though, they compared the 3 most popular gaming laptops and people chimed in on custom builds as well. You will definitely get more by reading the past 2 or 3 pages then you will in responses to this post.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Calidus posted:

I am finally caving, I survived college without laptop but a laptop would make work significantly easier. I will need the laptop for a few basic things, Visual Studio, run a VM or two, Chrome and remote desktop. These are my initial ideas:

13 MacBook Pro with i5, OSX, Retina Screen, 8gb ram, 256gb SSD - $1500
X240 with i5, 8.1 pro, FHD, 8gb ram, 500GB HD - $1300
Yoga 2 Pro with i7, 8.1, QHD+, 8gb ram, 256gb SSD- $1275
T440p with i5, 8.1 pro, FHD, 8gb ram, 500GB HD - $1200
Yoga 2 13 with i5, 8.1, FHD, 8gb ram,256gb SSD- $980


Every one of those can be had for at least $200 less if you get a refurb straight from the manufacturer. I've seen the Yoga 2 Pro as low as ~$850 in the configuration. I personally would not pay over $1000 for the Y2P simply because the refurbs are much cheaper.

Check out the Apple refurb store and Lenovo outlet every couple days, especially mondays.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

shodanjr_gr posted:

You should check out the 13" rMBP. It's about as portable at 13" air (slightly heavier) but much much more powerful, with a terrific screen and only a small cost to battery life. And you get more I/O options.


I followed this thread for 6 months while looking for a nice PC laptop and ended up with a 13" late-2013 rMBP and I never looked back. Even when the Yoga Pro 2 refurbs were out for like $600 I still didn't regret for a second getting the Mac. It's that loving nice.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

dissss posted:

How long did it take you to get used to the keyboard?

I've had a couple of tries at moving over but I find there isn't enough key travel on either the Air or the rPro


Maybe 30 seconds? I'm no writer, so I just use the keyboard for occasional forum posts and replying to emails. I still easily hit the same 80 wpm I average on a standalone keyboard and it's actually more comfortable to type on than the Lenovo keyboard I am using with my desktop here at work. The only thing the keyboard lacks is a numpad, so creating large spreadsheets would probably suck, but as an all in one home computer, entertainment center and couch web surfer, the rMPB kicks rear end.

I noticed other people asked about battery life. I get about 10 hours of browsing the awful forums and between 4-6.5 hrs of Netflix or youtube streaming with brightness around 60%. My roomates MBA gets almost 12 hours of forums streaming by comparison but has a MUCH worse screen. Seriously his laptop is excellent until you sit mine next to it, then it's night and day the difference in display quality. Even though the rMPB is not technically an ultrabook, it has at least as good a screen, better power and better battery life than almost all ultrabooks out there.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Twerk from Home posted:

Shamelessly cross posting this from the Mac Hardware thread, because I thought this was an exception deal and I grabbed one for myself. $750 13" Macbook Air!


Edit: Yes, it's the poverty spec one with 4GB of RAM and 120GB SSD. Still beats the hell out of any other ultraportable under $800.

That's a steal! My roommate paid $1175 with tax for the same machine (he might have the i7). It has the only decent TN panel I've ever seen and everyone with a hard budget cap of $800 who doesn't play games should get this over whatever windows machine.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Speaking of dust, should I be doing anything to clean my rMBP? I think I've only even wiped the screen down once. Do people shoot compressed air through the intake holes?

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
As someone who has successfully saved several electronic items from water damage (albeit not a laptop), LEAVE IT IN THE RICE FOR SEVERAL DAYS.


In one particular instance I dropped an iphone into a full pint of delicious beer. I removed it and turned it off immediately, then when I got home the next day put it in rice for 2 days. Took it out and the screen was not responsive and the display was all screwed up. Assumed it was a total loss, but put it back in the rice for a week while I figured things out. Lo and behold the next time I checked on it, it worked perfectly. It's been 2 years but I'm still rocking that iPhone 4 ;). (not for long I am sooo lazy)


tl;dr: don't rush it. leave it in rice for awhile.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sharks Below posted:

Yes, this sounds perfect and amazing! Size isn't too important, 13-15 I'd say? I think the one I have now is 15 and it seems fine but going smaller wouldn't kill me. I have hated the lovely battery life on the MacBook Pro so any improvement on that is a win.

The XPS is a teeny bit more than I wanted to spend but I think I can manage it. International moves are priceyyyy.

Why don't you throw an SSD in your MacBook for $150?

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tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sharks Below posted:

This has definitely been suggested to me! Do you think it will solve a lot of the problems? I have tried everything (except MacKeeper), running Onyx, cleaning as much garbage off it as possible, it got reformatted when I took it in to the shop last, all that jazz. I guess I'm wondering whether I bother investing more money into a machine I don't really like. But if this would be some kind of miracle cure I would strongly consider it! It is, after all, a nearly-5 year old machine.


Yes. SSD is literally why new computers are awesomely fast. How much RAM do you have? I have a 2013 rmbp w/ only 4 gb ram and it's still stupid fast. poo poo just opens. Load times aren't real.

also you'll miss out on haswell or later's battery life.

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