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xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

They better find a way to cram a second usb-c port into this alleged redesign.

Get rid of the useless rear camera if space is needed.

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 07:56

priznat: Jul 7, 2009; Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Old people loving love using iPads as cameras, they�d never remove that

# ? Jan 4, 2024 19:43

hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

The back one is good for scanning documents in a pinch but it shouldn�t be so big

# ? Jan 4, 2024 19:48

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

lol I used my iPad as a second angle camera the other day while filming some educational materials and it worked really well. I stacked some boxes and put the Magic Keyboard on top of them. Worked like a charm

# ? Jan 4, 2024 19:49

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

It's cool to set up your iPad in its Magic Keyboard to use as a FaceTime camera for your AppleTV.

AirPlay the sound to your HomePods obvs

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:18

Question Mark Mound: Jun 14, 2006; Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla

The Grumbles posted:

The M1 11' pro barely touches the edges of the CPU because the OS is so limited. And any resource-heavy app is probably something you're going to want to use full-screen anyway, so multitasking is generally an on-starter. I would edit 2hr+ podcasts on mine with like 4 hours of footage up on screen and it never felt like the tablet was struggling to keep up. I think the M2 is only really good if you have a hyper specific workflow where you know exactly what you'll need it for in advance of buying it. Like if you need for some reason to export video at the absolute fastest benchmark speeds.

I really feel like for their tablet lineup they kind of refined themselves into a weird corpo corner by putting the M1 in the air and pro iPads. Unless they go ahead and put an actual desktop OS on those things (or do something super demanding with AI in the future), those tablets are basically completed.

Sounds good! My only worry is Apple's tendency to software-lock OS features from old devices that could absolutely keep up with it, but I'll hit that when it happens if I do decide to upgrade.

trilobite terror posted:

AFAIK there�s no difference between the M1 and M2 iPad Pro beyond the chipset. Woot and Amazon fairly regularly have been selling official refurb and new-old-stock M1 models for like ~50% off, which is how I got my NOS M1 iPad in November. It rips.

There�s a big update coming this year supposedly bringing a full physical redesign of the iPad Pro and its peripherals (Magic Keyboard, etc) with an OLED screen and Magsafe being the marquee features, but they�re also expecting a commensurate price bump.

I think those massive sales are US-only.

I'll keep an eye out though and hope that maybe they announce a big redesign early which should maybe drop the price of the older models.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 12:42

BonoMan: Feb 20, 2002; Jade Ear Joe

~Coxy posted:

iPad 9 if you want a Pencil or you have other Lightning devices.
iPad 10 if you don't have any other Lightning devices, but you don't want a Pencil.
iPad Air if you want a Pencil.

What's the reasoning for this? Just b/c the 10th doesn't support Pencil gen 2?

I just bought my youngest the 9th Gen b/c it was on sale at Target for $250 which is a goddamn steal. Then I was going to get my 9 year old a 10th gen and pencil to get her started on Procreate and Dreams (she's in a huge painting/drawing phase right now).

And then second adjacent question

What's the best cover/case for kids? Stand and screen cover needed. No keyboard necessary. Just need to make sure the stand is sturdy and not the kind that slip down easy.

BonoMan fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jan 5, 2024

# ? Jan 5, 2024 15:13

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

BonoMan posted:

What's the reasoning for this? Just b/c the 10th doesn't support Pencil gen 2?

I just bought my youngest the 9th Gen b/c it was on sale at Target for $250 which is a goddamn steal. Then I was going to get my 9 year old a 10th gen and pencil to get her started on Procreate and Dreams (she's in a huge painting/drawing phase right now).

Yes - the gen 1 pencil works fine (great even - it's a fantastic stylus), but there are fundamental problems that get fixed by the gen 2, both related to charging. I guess the Air just has a much nicer screen for drawing as the screen is much closer to the glass?

If you have young kids then they're especially relevant:

The first is that to charge it, you have to use a lightning plug in the top end of the pencil. For 9th gen and earlier, you can plug it in directly to the iPad, which is stupid and awkward but it works and is fast. For the newer base iPad you have to use adapters and things, as it's USBc, which most kids would lose.

The second and more fundamental design flaw - and the one that you probably need to know as the parent of young kids - is that with the Apple Pencil that the battery is so tiny and there's no way to switch it off, but it needs a little bit of charge to be able to communicate with the iPad or wall charger and start charging. This means that if the battery loses all of its charge then the pencil is dead forever, and even if you plug it in it won't be able to wake itself up enough to do the lightning handshake and charge itself up. We bought one from a second hand shop and it was DOA because it had been in the shop window for too long.

It's a known and big issue where people leave their Apple Pencil gen 1s in a drawer for 6 months, only to come back and find it completely dead and buried. You have to be really diligent in making sure you charge it fairly regularly.

To charge on the Air, you just magnetically attach the pencil to the side of the iPad. This means that the pencil is always charged, and that you'll never lose it. This isn't just a convenience thing - it also serves to stop your Apple Pencil dying with no way to revive it, because it will probably never leave your iPad.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 15:24

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

UM *ahem* Apple solved the charging problem with the Gen 10 by introducing the Apple Pencil USB-C which works with any USB-C iPad. Sure, they could have just put the magnet charging in the Gen 10 so you could use a Pencil 2, but instead they made a whole new Pencil that you can plug your same USB-C cable into! We think you're going to love it!

# ? Jan 5, 2024 16:16

SlowBloke: Aug 14, 2017

Endless Mike posted:

UM *ahem* Apple solved the charging problem with the Gen 10 by introducing the Apple Pencil USB-C which works with any USB-C iPad. Sure, they could have just put the magnet charging in the Gen 10 so you could use a Pencil 2, but instead they made a whole new Pencil that you can plug your same USB-C cable into! We think you're going to love it!

Also with less features than apple pencil 1 at an higher price to boot!

# ? Jan 5, 2024 17:03

The General: Mar 4, 2007

The Grumbles posted:

To charge on the Air, you just magnetically attach the pencil to the side of the iPad. This means that the pencil is always charged, and that you'll never lose it. This isn't just a convenience thing - it also serves to stop your Apple Pencil dying with no way to revive it, because it will probably never leave your iPad.

It is still very easy to lose your Pencil. It took me a few days of learning how to handle my iPad and not have the pencil pop off to the floor. Combine that with a kid and you'll 100% want a case that has a strap or other holder to keep the pencil secure.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 19:26

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

Apples refusal to address the pencil security in any way at all is almost as bad as no calculator app.

It's such an obvious oversight but they're all "this is fine"

# ? Jan 5, 2024 19:32

BonoMan: Feb 20, 2002; Jade Ear Joe

The Grumbles posted:

Yes - the gen 1 pencil works fine (great even - it's a fantastic stylus), but there are fundamental problems that get fixed by the gen 2, both related to charging. I guess the Air just has a much nicer screen for drawing as the screen is much closer to the glass?

If you have young kids then they're especially relevant:

The first is that to charge it, you have to use a lightning plug in the top end of the pencil. For 9th gen and earlier, you can plug it in directly to the iPad, which is stupid and awkward but it works and is fast. For the newer base iPad you have to use adapters and things, as it's USBc, which most kids would lose.

The second and more fundamental design flaw - and the one that you probably need to know as the parent of young kids - is that with the Apple Pencil that the battery is so tiny and there's no way to switch it off, but it needs a little bit of charge to be able to communicate with the iPad or wall charger and start charging. This means that if the battery loses all of its charge then the pencil is dead forever, and even if you plug it in it won't be able to wake itself up enough to do the lightning handshake and charge itself up. We bought one from a second hand shop and it was DOA because it had been in the shop window for too long.

It's a known and big issue where people leave their Apple Pencil gen 1s in a drawer for 6 months, only to come back and find it completely dead and buried. You have to be really diligent in making sure you charge it fairly regularly.

To charge on the Air, you just magnetically attach the pencil to the side of the iPad. This means that the pencil is always charged, and that you'll never lose it. This isn't just a convenience thing - it also serves to stop your Apple Pencil dying with no way to revive it, because it will probably never leave your iPad.

I have a Pencil 1st Gen. Did. Not. Know about the battery thing (mine is in a drawer somewhere)

# ? Jan 5, 2024 22:11

SlowBloke: Aug 14, 2017

My pencil mk1 has been embedded in my ipad mk9 cover for almost a year, i've plugged it in and it charges without making any fuss.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 23:23

Flowing Thot: Apr 1, 2023

I lost my 1st pencil and wil never find it again thanks to it having no way to actually secure itself to the ipad. The 350 dollar keyboard addon also doesn't include anything to hold it on there.

# ? Jan 6, 2024 00:29

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

SlowBloke posted:

Also with less features than apple pencil 1 at an higher price to boot!

The USB-C Pencil is $20 cheaper than Apple Pencil 1.

Also, if anyone has a dead Apple Pencil in your drawer you can pay Apple $29 for a battery replacement (they give you a new pencil)

# ? Jan 6, 2024 04:27

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

The Grumbles posted:

The second and more fundamental design flaw - and the one that you probably need to know as the parent of young kids - is that with the Apple Pencil that the battery is so tiny and there's no way to switch it off, but it needs a little bit of charge to be able to communicate with the iPad or wall charger and start charging. This means that if the battery loses all of its charge then the pencil is dead forever, and even if you plug it in it won't be able to wake itself up enough to do the lightning handshake and charge itself up. We bought one from a second hand shop and it was DOA because it had been in the shop window for too long.

I think this is a bit overstated. I bought some iPad Air cases and there was a iPad Pro case in the lot that had a Pencil 1 in its compartment.
Years later I got an iPad Pro 10.5" and the Pencil works to this day.

# ? Jan 6, 2024 06:21

SlowBloke: Aug 14, 2017

FCKGW posted:

The USB-C Pencil is $20 cheaper than Apple Pencil 1.

Also, if anyone has a dead Apple Pencil in your drawer you can pay Apple $29 for a battery replacement (they give you a new pencil)

I've actually never checked the official prices, just went by the big store ones where the pencil 1 is cheaper.

# ? Jan 6, 2024 13:25

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

~Coxy posted:

I think this is a bit overstated. I bought some iPad Air cases and there was a iPad Pro case in the lot that had a Pencil 1 in its compartment.
Years later I got an iPad Pro 10.5" and the Pencil works to this day.

Maybe it�s a luck of the draw type thing. When we were going through the rigmarole with apple apparently the ambient temperature it was stored at might have an effect. Some users also reported waking up their pencils by putting them on top of a radiator for a few mins, although that never worked for us.

# ? Jan 6, 2024 13:40

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

"Fun" fact, you can charge a Pencil 1 in an iPhone, but not in an AirPods case.

# ? Jan 6, 2024 13:44

BonoMan: Feb 20, 2002; Jade Ear Joe

SlowBloke posted:

I've actually never checked the official prices, just went by the big store ones where the pencil 1 is cheaper.

I don't think that's the case anywhere unless you happened on a random sale? The C is $20 cheaper pretty universally

# ? Jan 6, 2024 18:23

MarcusSA: Sep 23, 2007

Apple event on the 12 with speculation on the M3 iPads.

I have an M1 Pro that is still fast AF but if they upgrade the screen I�m gonna be seriously tempted.

# ? Mar 2, 2024 18:06

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

MarcusSA posted:

Apple event on the 12 with speculation on the M3 iPads.

I have an M1 Pro that is still fast AF but if they upgrade the screen I�m gonna be seriously tempted.

Says who? I tried looking for this and all I see a few YouTube videos with no sources but absolutely zero confirmation from any of the big Apple sites.
I think Gurman predicted a spring event sometime in March but that's all he said.

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 2, 2024

# ? Mar 2, 2024 19:01

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

I do a lot of space fart music hobby-ing on my 5th gen pro and I've never maxed out the cpu. I could if I wanted to as a gimmick but with any normal usage managing the audio units becomes cumbersome before the cpu does.

I'll never argue against progress, but the M1 chip is so dang good still.

What they should really upgrade is the ram across the board. I got the 8GB version and I have had a couple sample-heavy plugins get punted by the OS for being too greedy. If I'm running out of ram before the cpu locks up the baseline is too small.

# ? Mar 2, 2024 19:08

NewFatMike: Jun 11, 2015

Yeah my M2 iPad Pro is still such a champ. I don�t think I�ve ever even thought about its performance, it still just sails through everything I do.

# ? Mar 2, 2024 19:14

Flowing Thot: Apr 1, 2023

OLED would be a good reason to upgrade.

# ? Mar 2, 2024 22:32

The General: Mar 4, 2007

FCKGW posted:

Says who? I tried looking for this and all I see a few YouTube videos with no sources but absolutely zero confirmation from any of the big Apple sites.
I think Gurman predicted a spring event sometime in March but that's all he said.

That's kinda what speculation is. Unconfirmed rumours with no real source or citations.

# ? Mar 2, 2024 22:37

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

Flowing Thot posted:

OLED would be a good reason to upgrade.

What if it's another $1-200

# ? Mar 2, 2024 23:52

Bottom Liner: Feb 15, 2006; a specific vein of lasagna

Mister Facetious posted:

What if it's another $1-200

It will be even without OLED I bet. $iNfLaTiON

# ? Mar 3, 2024 00:38

bolind: Jun 19, 2005; Pillbug

I've been tasked with bringing the wife's aging iPad up to speed in preparation of a holiday. Naturally, it's very very full due to photos and messages. What's the best way to free up storage without deleting these things from the greater iCloud ecosystem? Separate iCloud account after a wipe?

# ? Mar 3, 2024 06:31

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

bolind posted:

I've been tasked with bringing the wife's aging iPad up to speed in preparation of a holiday. Naturally, it's very very full due to photos and messages. What's the best way to free up storage without deleting these things from the greater iCloud ecosystem? Separate iCloud account after a wipe?

can you give her more iCloud storage and move the photos and messages there?

Edit: if you want to for-sure keep everything you should be making hard backups somewhere, even if it�s just copying all of the photos/message logs to a folder on a hard drive.

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Mar 3, 2024

# ? Mar 3, 2024 06:40

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

The General posted:

That's kinda what speculation is. Unconfirmed rumours with no real source or citations.

I�m more wondering about the date, not the iPad. No one has pinned down a date yet besides �March�

# ? Mar 3, 2024 09:29

Question Mark Mound: Jun 14, 2006; Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla

I finally have an iPad that can do stage manager and maybe I�m missing something but it seems kinda awful? It�s like Split View except you have less space to work with. Maybe it�s better on a bigger iPad or an external screen but on an 11� iPad I just don�t see how useful it is to have more than two, maybe three apps visible and even three is pushing it for usable space.

# ? Mar 3, 2024 13:55

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

Question Mark Mound posted:

I finally have an iPad that can do stage manager and maybe I�m missing something but it seems kinda awful? It�s like Split View except you have less space to work with. Maybe it�s better on a bigger iPad or an external screen but on an 11� iPad I just don�t see how useful it is to have more than two, maybe three apps visible and even three is pushing it for usable space.

Yeah, i only use it when i need an external screen. Otherwise I generally only have two apps open at once, not counting YouTube PiP

# ? Mar 3, 2024 18:49

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

May as well throw it here since my google fu is failing.

I have an iPhone and a 12.9 iPad pro. I run infuse on the iPhone with local media on it. When I'm at the gym I'd like to display the video of that to my iPad for the larger screen, and have airpod audio in sync with the video.

Does anything actually work to do that?

I see the latest iOS let's you have an ipad as an airplay receiver but that looks to be only for vision pro not for iPhones.

I had an app that would do janky network things but the audio was never quite right.

# ? Mar 3, 2024 19:17

Duckman2008: Jan 6, 2010; TFW you see Flyers goaltending.; Grimey Drawer

Question Mark Mound posted:

I finally have an iPad that can do stage manager and maybe I�m missing something but it seems kinda awful? It�s like Split View except you have less space to work with. Maybe it�s better on a bigger iPad or an external screen but on an 11� iPad I just don�t see how useful it is to have more than two, maybe three apps visible and even three is pushing it for usable space.

Stage manager last I checked is awful. I have the 12.9, used it for half a day and have had it turned off since then.

# ? Mar 3, 2024 20:08

Vegastar: Jan 2, 2005; Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.

Yeah I definitely remember being upset my gen4 12.9 was originally softlocked out of stage manager, then when they changed that and I actually tried it I almost instantly turned it back off because it�s awful.

# ? Mar 3, 2024 20:12

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Duckman2008 posted:

Stage manager last I checked is awful. I have the 12.9, used it for half a day and have had it turned off since then.

Did I infect you

# ? Mar 3, 2024 20:17

Jose Oquendo: Jun 20, 2004; Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Hughlander posted:

May as well throw it here since my google fu is failing.

I have an iPhone and a 12.9 iPad pro. I run infuse on the iPhone with local media on it. When I'm at the gym I'd like to display the video of that to my iPad for the larger screen, and have airpod audio in sync with the video.

Does anything actually work to do that?

I see the latest iOS let's you have an ipad as an airplay receiver but that looks to be only for vision pro not for iPhones.

I had an app that would do janky network things but the audio was never quite right.

Why don't you install infuse on the iPad and have the videos/audio play off that. Seems way less complicated than what you're asking for.

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 07:56

Duckman2008: Jan 6, 2010; TFW you see Flyers goaltending.; Grimey Drawer

Arivia posted:

Did I infect you

Yes.

# ? Mar 3, 2024 20:30

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