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Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004




RoboRodent posted:

set up a sort of mesh fence around the frogspawn.

This gets my vote, depending on the size of your pond you can get a pre-made breeding box enclosure like this

Or build your own out of pvc tubing

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Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.


Jade Ear Joe

Enos Cabell posted:

This gets my vote, depending on the size of your pond you can get a pre-made breeding box enclosure like this

Or build your own out of pvc tubing

I had thought of the mesh fence idea before but couldn't figure out how I would put up a fence and keep it tight to the edges of the pond without damaging the lining. The idea of a complete mesh box hadn't occurred to me. I'm not very good with my hands so a pre-made one like that might be just what I need.

I think the idea of a nursery tank for tadpoles is a bit beyond what I would be willing to commit to.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009


Ok, I assume thereís no such thing as a stupid question here:

My parents have had two koi in their pond for the last 15 years. They are (or rather were) huge. They usually swim around the pond near each other. We assume theyíre the same sex since theyíve never laid any eggs.

But, today I found one of the koi dead. The other one looks fine, it was hanging around at the opposite side of the pond as the dead one. My question is, do you think the other koi is gonna be sad that its friend is dead and its the only fish left in the pond? Should we consider getting another koi? Or is it just silly to worry about?

Edit: actually, I found two dead frogs just laying intact by the side of their pond a week ago, and I wondered what had killed them. Could anything be wrong with the pond? Itís just a medium-sized backyard pond with a bubbler in it, and various animals like frogs and turtles and a few small fish other than the koi. Thereís a pump to pump extra water in there that hasnít been used in a few months. The areaís been pretty dry recently but the pond level is ok. No chemicals have been put in there.

Sucrose fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 4, 2021

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004




Got some plants added to the frontosa lagoon this weekend. Candystarlight was nice enough to send some java moss my way, and then I picked up a few floaters and a few emersed plants at the exotic plant store in town.







And then snapped a quick pic of my silver dollars upstairs after a water change...



...before one of my oscars got jealous of the attention

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008



Sucrose posted:

Ok, I assume thereís no such thing as a stupid question here:

My parents have had two koi in their pond for the last 15 years. They are (or rather were) huge. They usually swim around the pond near each other. We assume theyíre the same sex since theyíve never laid any eggs.

But, today I found one of the koi dead. The other one looks fine, it was hanging around at the opposite side of the pond as the dead one. My question is, do you think the other koi is gonna be sad that its friend is dead and its the only fish left in the pond? Should we consider getting another koi? Or is it just silly to worry about?

Edit: actually, I found two dead frogs just laying intact by the side of their pond a week ago, and I wondered what had killed them. Could anything be wrong with the pond? Itís just a medium-sized backyard pond with a bubbler in it, and various animals like frogs and turtles and a few small fish other than the koi. Thereís a pump to pump extra water in there that hasnít been used in a few months. The areaís been pretty dry recently but the pond level is ok. No chemicals have been put in there.

I can't see any filtration listed here. I also can't see any plants listed. So, I'm not sure how the fish/turtle wastes are being dealt with in this pond. Koi are social fish but are probably too big for a medium sized backyard pond so I wouldn't recommend getting more (how big/deep is medium?). It wouldn't surprise me if something has built up in the water over time that affected the frogs, as frogs have permeable skin and I think are most likely to be sensitive. With water evaporating from the pond and only top ups (perhaps from tap water) and not actual water changes you could definitely be concentrating either waste products or chemicals that are in the source water. If you are interested in doing some testing the easiest way is probably a dip stick test as that should show ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels, hardness, pH and chlorine. Wet tests where you use chemicals and test tubes are more accurate but also more expensive so it depends on how much effort you want to put into diagnosing the pond. Other things that might be present that could be harder to test for are copper or heavy metals, or pollutants carried into the pond by rainwater. It sounds like the water isn't treated by water conditioner before the pond is topped up?

Assuming the dead frogs are a red herring the other thing I can think of that would affect big fish before smaller fish, and not affect turtles at all, is water oxygenation levels. Without significant water movement at the surface, the oxygen exchange between the atmosphere and the water is hampered. A single bubbler is possibly not enough.

Do you have any pictures of the pond, or any more info about how deep it is and approximately how much water the pond holds?

Edit to add: my mum also has a pond, a relatively tiny fibreglass shell pond with 11 goldfish in. For a long time she wasn't filtering or aerating it at all, no water changes and only top ups with rain water, and I think the only reason the fish survived at all was the 2/3 pond coverage with water lilies and other submerged pond plants. I managed to convince her to run a canister filter which she has turned on only during the day and which she cleans frequently so that's at least acting as mechanical waste removal.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Apr 5, 2021

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008



Oh nooo, one of my rasbora laterastriata was floating dead today, looking very much like he'd smacked his head on the lid or tank walls, and watching the tank I'm seeing my big rasbora cephalotaenia throwing his weight around, herding rasboras and tetras. Makes me wonder if the random dead rainbow I had a little while ago was another casualty of bullying. I haven't seen r. ceph nipping fins but he's definitely big enough and fast enough that he could be causing the others to panic jump. Seriously considering moving him to one of my 4 foot tanks to give the other fish some peace, I think he is fine with fish half his size but the r.lats are getting closer to his size and inhabit the same level of the tank as him so they're drawing his ire. I want to move the rainbows I'm growing into this 5 foot tank sooner or later so probably for the best that this big guy is gone or he'll likely kill them too.

edit: well that was painless, he pretty much swam into the net by himself, I moved him to the red-sided barb/sterbai tank and he's now calmly patrolling the top half of the tank, like a king surveying his much smaller peons, meanwhile the rainbows and smaller rasboras are schooling happily and undisturbed in the other tank. Looks like he really only gets aggro at similarly sized fish.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 5, 2021

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004




Kinda off topic but still fish related, Joel Sartore is a really awesome photographer from my town who I met a few years back while he was doing a shoot in my old neighborhood LFS. He started a project a few years back with National Geographic called the Photo Ark where he and his team are documenting as many animals as they possibly can. They just launched the Video Ark on YouTube, and there is a whole section for fish with some amazing macro videos. Highly recommend checking it out!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ79eGPjuh5-Ns3BO_eHQbJFwZSmAigPf

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011





Biscuit Hider

Enos Cabell posted:

Kinda off topic but still fish related, Joel Sartore is a really awesome photographer from my town who I met a few years back while he was doing a shoot in my old neighborhood LFS. He started a project a few years back with National Geographic called the Photo Ark where he and his team are documenting as many animals as they possibly can. They just launched the Video Ark on YouTube, and there is a whole section for fish with some amazing macro videos. Highly recommend checking it out!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ79eGPjuh5-Ns3BO_eHQbJFwZSmAigPf

Wow, thanks for sharing. Criminally underviewed stuff right there.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009


Stoca Zola posted:

I can't see any filtration listed here. I also can't see any plants listed. So, I'm not sure how the fish/turtle wastes are being dealt with in this pond. Koi are social fish but are probably too big for a medium sized backyard pond so I wouldn't recommend getting more (how big/deep is medium?). It wouldn't surprise me if something has built up in the water over time that affected the frogs, as frogs have permeable skin and I think are most likely to be sensitive. With water evaporating from the pond and only top ups (perhaps from tap water) and not actual water changes you could definitely be concentrating either waste products or chemicals that are in the source water. If you are interested in doing some testing the easiest way is probably a dip stick test as that should show ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels, hardness, pH and chlorine. Wet tests where you use chemicals and test tubes are more accurate but also more expensive so it depends on how much effort you want to put into diagnosing the pond. Other things that might be present that could be harder to test for are copper or heavy metals, or pollutants carried into the pond by rainwater. It sounds like the water isn't treated by water conditioner before the pond is topped up?

Assuming the dead frogs are a red herring the other thing I can think of that would affect big fish before smaller fish, and not affect turtles at all, is water oxygenation levels. Without significant water movement at the surface, the oxygen exchange between the atmosphere and the water is hampered. A single bubbler is possibly not enough.

Do you have any pictures of the pond, or any more info about how deep it is and approximately how much water the pond holds?

Edit to add: my mum also has a pond, a relatively tiny fibreglass shell pond with 11 goldfish in. For a long time she wasn't filtering or aerating it at all, no water changes and only top ups with rain water, and I think the only reason the fish survived at all was the 2/3 pond coverage with water lilies and other submerged pond plants. I managed to convince her to run a canister filter which she has turned on only during the day and which she cleans frequently so that's at least acting as mechanical waste removal.

The Koi were fine in the pond for 15 years. It's big enough that we've never fed them. I think far more could probably comfortably live there, especially if we fed them, but there's always been only two.The water is just from a well.

I guess my main question is the social aspect. There's probably nothing wrong with the pond itself, or if there is I'd never be able to guess it. Is the remaining koi going to get horribly lonely now that there's just one? I came back to the pond later and the living koi was sitting right next to the dead one's body, I don't know if that means it's sad or it means it doesn't care in the slightest.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008



Koi are absolutely social fish, your surviving koi might not do well alone especially if its pondmates are small enough that it doesn't really notice them. Maybe my interpretation of medium pond is very different to yours but I still think a populated pond should have intentional filtration. Well water can carry nitrates and other pollutants from the water table and pond plants or emersed plants at the edges are a good way to consume these.

Here's my point of reference for Koi keeping:

https://youtu.be/2BYHGfLyz0k

This guy rambles on a bit but he gives a bit of info on the size and water volume of his pond, you can see how many koi he has and how they move together in the water, how much he feeds them, and although he doesn't really point it out you can see his cut in half IBC diy filtration that he moves water through. He has elephant ears growing in his filter which are part of the filtration and he uses airlifts to move the water out of the filter and back into his pond.

I watch a couple of other pond keepers and they all have lots of water movement, filtration, plants, and multiple koi. They all also feed their koi pellets and do maintenance on their ponds.

I guess it's up to you, it might be better to let your solo koi live out the rest of its days if you don't want to be in the business of providing a home for multiple koi. They're supposed to live 30 or so years so it's not a small undertaking.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

how can i listen to my pirated albums? oh wait.





The survivor will probably be fine. But you may want to remove the body before it starts to decay.

RoboRodent
Sep 19, 2012



Sucrose posted:

The Koi were fine in the pond for 15 years. It's big enough that we've never fed them. I think far more could probably comfortably live there, especially if we fed them, but there's always been only two.The water is just from a well.

I guess my main question is the social aspect. There's probably nothing wrong with the pond itself, or if there is I'd never be able to guess it. Is the remaining koi going to get horribly lonely now that there's just one? I came back to the pond later and the living koi was sitting right next to the dead one's body, I don't know if that means it's sad or it means it doesn't care in the slightest.

Why are you so sure there's nothing wrong with the pond, and why aren't you interested in addressing that?

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



RoboRodent posted:

Why are you so sure there's nothing wrong with the pond, and why aren't you interested in addressing that?

well you see, a fish that commonly lives between five and ten+ decades lived for fifteen years before dying of unknown causes so

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011



Sucrose posted:

There's probably nothing wrong with the pond itself, or if there is I'd never be able to guess it.
Good news. You don't have to guess! Buy a water test kit. Pond/Aquarium keeping is literal science, minimal guessing involved.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

how can i listen to my pirated albums? oh wait.





The shrimp are everywhere, they've taken over the hang on back filter.

Dick Bastardly
Aug 22, 2012

Muttley is SKYNET!!!


The Aquarium Thread: The shrimp are everywhere, they've taken over the hang on back filter

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009


Stoca Zola posted:

Koi are absolutely social fish, your surviving koi might not do well alone especially if its pondmates are small enough that it doesn't really notice them. Maybe my interpretation of medium pond is very different to yours but I still think a populated pond should have intentional filtration. Well water can carry nitrates and other pollutants from the water table and pond plants or emersed plants at the edges are a good way to consume these.

Here's my point of reference for Koi keeping:

https://youtu.be/2BYHGfLyz0k


Oh yeah this is an entirely different kind of pond. My mom lives in rural western Michigan, the pond and other ponds around here are more like the pond in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXYGkkrkvlQ. Usually nothing is done to maintain them, they just exist.

RoboRodent posted:

Why are you so sure there's nothing wrong with the pond, and why aren't you interested in addressing that?

It's a pond that was originally just a pond in the corner of some farmer's field, with nothing done to maintain it. It was gradually getting shallower though, so my dad had it dug out and installed a bubbler and a pump that pumps water into it if you turn it on. My dad unexpectedly passed away in January. I don't really know how to take care of his pond, but I don't think he did anything to it other than turn the pump on once and a while to keep the water level high. I have no idea what could have killed the koi, I'm mainly concerned about the surviving one; if it will be just fine on its own or if we ought to buy another koi to keep it company.

Though, I have no idea what sex the koi in the pond is, and accidentally putting an opposite sex one in and ending up with a million more koi in the pond would definitely not be ideal.

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?



Grimey Drawer

Sucrose posted:

Oh yeah this is an entirely different kind of pond. My mom lives in rural western Michigan, the pond and other ponds around here are more like the pond in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXYGkkrkvlQ. Usually nothing is done to maintain them, they just exist.


It's a pond that was originally just a pond in the corner of some farmer's field, with nothing done to maintain it. It was gradually getting shallower though, so my dad had it dug out and installed a bubbler and a pump that pumps water into it if you turn it on. My dad unexpectedly passed away in January. I don't really know how to take care of his pond, but I don't think he did anything to it other than turn the pump on once and a while to keep the water level high. I have no idea what could have killed the koi, I'm mainly concerned about the surviving one; if it will be just fine on its own or if we ought to buy another koi to keep it company.

Though, I have no idea what sex the koi in the pond is, and accidentally putting an opposite sex one in and ending up with a million more koi in the pond would definitely not be ideal.

Oh they would eat likely all the eggs way more they hatched, if that helps at all.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011



So, the bubbler is also going to aerate and oxygenate the water. A vitally important thing to both Fish health, and bacterial health. Without a healthy bacteria ecosystem, the pond is going to fill with decaying matter and toxic nitrates are going to build up. This can also impact vegetation that serves to filter out some of the nitrates.

Test your water. There is absolutely no reason not to.

Ponds in nature easily turn into rancid cesspools without a source of fresh water and oxygen. Just because its big doesn't really make this different. Its pretty hard to offer any kind of advice without knowing what the water conditions are, something killed the koi, and a $10-20 test kit would probably give you an answer.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008




So I posted picters of my fish and an old friend wants me to now take care of his fish while he was moving - I agreed because he took my neons when I was moving and will put them into my 29 gallon tank. His options before me were some other person that he knows and craigslist. I said come to me before craigslist.

anyway one is a gourami:



and the other is a chinese algea eater.


Is there anything special I need for these guy other that tubifex, bloodworms and tetramin topical crisps to take care of them? - I have never liked chinese algaea eaters because of them sucking off slime coats of other fish but I can not say no if I am needed.

Edit: I have a 29 g tank that I have been getting ready incase I need to take those cute buggers.

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pepperchomp
Jan 27, 2007

chomp chomp chomp

nunsexmonkrock posted:

So I posted picters of my fish and an old friend wants me to now take care of his fish while he was moving - I agreed because he took my neons when I was moving and will put them into my 29 gallon tank. His options before me were some other person that he knows and craigslist. I said come to me before craigslist.

anyway one is a gourami:



and the other is a chinese algea eater.


Is there anything special I need for these guy other that tubifex, bloodworms and tetramin topical crisps to take care of them? - I have never liked chinese algaea eaters because of them sucking off slime coats of other fish but I can not say no if I am needed.

Edit: I have a 29 g tank that I have been getting ready incase I need to take those cute buggers.

Warning about Chinese algae eaters....they're sons of bitches. The ones I had used to haraass all my fish and even ate the fins off of my albino cory. One hosed with my gourami who was like 5 times his size and got fuckin killed but yeah. Chinese algae eaters r mean as gently caress once they hit about 1 to 1 and half inch. They get a taste for protein around then and they love fish slime coat

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.


Jade Ear Joe

I got off my rear end and put a tadpole nursery in at the edge of my pond as suggested. Pics below.



Schwack
Jan 31, 2003

Someone needs to stop this! Sherman has lost his mind! Peyton is completely unable to defend himself out there!


Hammerite posted:

I got off my rear end and put a tadpole nursery in at the edge of my pond as suggested. Pics below.

That's awesome! My dad and I hatched tadpoles in a bucket with an airstone when I was a kid. They're so much fun to watch develop. Maybe I missed it, but any idea what kind of frog they'll become?

I finally had my first anubias bloom. I assume that means it's happy with water conditions. Managed to snap one of everything in the tank too.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.


Jade Ear Joe

Schwack posted:

That's awesome! My dad and I hatched tadpoles in a bucket with an airstone when I was a kid. They're so much fun to watch develop. Maybe I missed it, but any idea what kind of frog they'll become?

I know very little. Actually I am sadly pretty ignorant of the biology of just about everything in the pond.

I saw one frog on a couple of occasions this year. On one occasion it was at the bottom of the pond. On the other it was on the shelf around the edge of the pond and it dived to the bottom when I approached. I couldn't tell you what species of frog it was because I don't know frogs.

I don't believe there are any frogs that permanently make my pond their home, because I never see any other than around springtime. So the frogspawn is from a species that roams to lay eggs.

I would guess it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_frog just because I don't know any better

RoboRodent
Sep 19, 2012



Could also be a toad, if they're not hanging out in the water. Toads are cool.

Edit: oh wait, I think toads lay eggs in long strings, so maybe not.

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nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008




pepperchomp posted:

Warning about Chinese algae eaters....they're sons of bitches. The ones I had used to haraass all my fish and even ate the fins off of my albino cory. One hosed with my gourami who was like 5 times his size and got fuckin killed but yeah. Chinese algae eaters r mean as gently caress once they hit about 1 to 1 and half inch. They get a taste for protein around then and they love fish slime coat

I told him those things like to eat the slime coats off of other fishie and are agressive, he told me he has never seen it do it to the gourami. But I still have to take them if the first person on the list can't.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat



Grimey Drawer

Iíve got too many guppies and itís so frustrating. I finally separated most of the males to a smaller tank and assumed, incorrectly it would appear, that the large community tank which includes 3 pea puffer murder beans would take care of any fry that might still appear. Today I spotted 3 new babies that are at least 2 weeks old.

Iím tapped out on space. The tank is already at like 125% capacity and surviving only because Iíve doubled the filtration capacity and itís heavily planted. I guess since I only see 3 babies, most of the fry were eaten. I will try cut back on feeding and see if life, um...finds a way.

Guppies. What the gently caress was I thinking.

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BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

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The Dark Souls of fish.

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