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What hot hatch do you own?
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Golf GTI / R / R32 196 0.02%
Impreza WRX / STi 133 0.01%
Mazdaspeed 3 92 0.01%
Veloster Turbo 20 0.00%
Focus ST 149 0.01%
Other Hot Hatch 230 0.02%
Elantra GT 1000001 99.92%
Total: 1000821 votes
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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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TheFonz posted:

Is this where we get really butthurt if someone posts a wagon in here?

Maybe on page 3.

I love this thread (since it was my freaking idea)! I've own a bunch of "hot hatches" that nobody else would even want at this point or even consider them in the category. My favorite being the 1988-90 Escort GT.


(not mine but essentiall identical)
Featuring a blistering 110hp driving the front wheels these cars are still a blast to drive. They had a few unique suspension bits that helped them handle those extra 10 horses.

Hopefully we get some Euro Goons with "real" performance Escorts in here shortly.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Nayt posted:

Anyone here driven a Veloster Turbo? I'm curious of people's thoughts. (Looks like it has no votes.)

I've driven one at Cars & Coffee, it's quick enough but nothing breathtaking.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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oRenj9 posted:

Hey there, don't forget about the Focus' little brother:

Fiesta ST



Weighing in at a paltry 2700lbs (500lbs lighter than big brother), the Fiesta ST is powered by the same 1.6L, 197 HP, 214 ft. lbs engine in the base model Fusion. The Fiesta ST can also be had starting at $22,195.

I need to get out and drive one of these. poo poo, I need to go drive another Focus ST, see if I can be tempted out of MS6 again.

Rhyno fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jun 27, 2013

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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VERTiG0 posted:

I feel a next-gen Mazdaspeed3 to be in my future.

Have they even hinted that we're getting one?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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CharlesM posted:

This is the hot hatch I want, a Mazda 323 (Familia) GTR.



High five buddy, those are the best.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Bovril Delight posted:

Why can't we have nice things in the US?

God is a gearhead and he quite clearly hates America.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

You can get one pretty drat well equipped for about 30. The price is competitive in theory, the car just isn't.

I got the ST3 solely for the Recaros (and heated seats). They are great seats. The rest was just gravy. I think I have a '13 about as loaded as you can get - ST3 with a moonroof. MFT is relatively easy to figure out if you sit down for a bit and fiddle with it. It is a little tough for me to reach the top right corner from my preferred driving position. Haven't even tried fiddling with Nav much. Sync is really easy to use provided you understand the command structure. That's way better than using MFT as far as I can tell. I originally test drove the ST1 and I agree, the dash was designed for MFT not whatever standard radio is in the ST1. The steering wheel controls are terribly integrated with MFT. I'll take some pictures tomorrow, if I get a chance.

I'm coming from a BMW 1-series, so there are some fit and finish things that just don't compare. The ST is basically taking a Focus as upmarket as possible, whereas the 1 was taking BMW as downmarket as possible. You end up with some bits in the 1 which were way nicer than they should have been, and some things in the Focus which are way less nice than they should be. Car drives nicely. Everything's got to settle in a little - clutch engagement is still a little bit of an adjustment and raw, and the brakes are a bit grabby in a bad way. It's quick. Haven't really had the chance to beat on it yet.

Is there any way to disable the upshift indicator? That thing is stupid.

Would you be willing to say what you paid?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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He also wrapped his STI and bike to match.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I don't mind. $27,297 including destination and a $1000 incentive. That is not including tax, title etc since that varies state to state so I figured it wasn't necessarily relevant. Invoice $27,653 before incentive. TMV says $27,5 after incentive is good for my area.

I didn't play hardball too much with them, but the dealer I worked with was way under stair-step target for June and I think that helped work a deal. I probably kicked them a few extra bucks. It was also a '13 - I'm not sure '14s are on lots yet.

I'm really having trouble not trading my MS6 in towards an ST. The local Ford dealer offered me an incredible trade in and I have enough in savings to cover the remaining balance.



Anyways, the first episode of Top Gear series 20 opens with a segment on Hot Hatches. This thread is topical! TG absolutely loves the Fiest ST and man does it look amazing in the two door model.

Rhyno fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 2, 2013

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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mafoose posted:

Not to mention the lack of the 3 door variant =(

I'm okay with no 3 door Focus, the 5 door looks pretty good. It's the lack of a 3 door Fiesta that bugs me.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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My buddy who works at the local Ford dealer chain just messaged me, he's got a guy looking for a Speed6, the call of the ST is getting stronger...

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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At 34 with good credit and nice clothes I can pretty much test drive whatever I want within reason flying solo. When I drove a Camaro the salesguy tried to get me to test a Corvette so he could justify a ridealong.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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TheLarson posted:



My hatchbacks work together. I've had the GTI for the last 50k miles and it's been great. The corolla is getting there (got the charging system fixed, finally).

Post an update in your thread!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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This dude wants everyone to be aware of what he drives

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Mar 22, 2003

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Laranzu posted:

From that exact angle the racing stripes don't look half bad. Most of the time they are horrible.

It's the giant ST on the hood that looks like poo poo.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Ringo Star Get posted:

Thats a handicapped spot too isn't it.

It has a handicapped plate. Those stripes are a recent addition.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Laranzu posted:

I wasn't disagreeing about that fact. Just the stripe looks pretty good from that exact angle/lighting level.

They stop at the back of the roof so it looks kind of half assed.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Dude's got braces and crutches. I talked to him once, driving is the only thing he can do that he enjoys. Shame he made the car ugly.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Civic Si is a pretty lackluster car in my opinion. My mom looked at one before settling on a base Civic and I wasn't impressed at all.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Pretty slick man, looks great!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Bovril Delight posted:

You'd think Ford would have learned from other hot hatches. The first gen Speed3 had the same issue.

So does the Speed6. I really need to upgrade my mounts, the 1-2 shift is maddeningly bad.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Phone posted:

Are the mounts in the Focus, MS3, MS6, etc those dogbones with liquid in the middle of the urethane?

I'm pretty sure mine are made out of laffy taffy.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Butt Wizard posted:

Spent today playing tetris moving cars around our garage in anticipation of a new three door Celica that's showing up in mid-January.

For all of you getting Focusii, cancel your orders and buy Escort Cosworths.

Tough poo poo for us Americans I guess. I'd kill for an RS 1600.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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leica posted:

More like a Mazdaspeed 2. I think Mazda could make it better than the Fiesta, and if Ford keeps selling them I'd be surprised if Mazda doesn't jump on the bandwagon.

I keep hearing the future of the MS line is going to be turbo diesels. A TD Mazda2 would be pretty hot I think.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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echobucket posted:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/f...iesta-rs-coming

Ford Fiesta RS. 230bhp. No idea if this is coming to the US though.

GOT DAM.


Here's hoping at and a Focus RS make it to the US. Is the current Focus capable of taking an AWD system?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Butt Wizard posted:

Speaking of new fleet additions - took delivery today:



Yaaaaaaay! Post more pics! Start a thread!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Bovril Delight posted:

Has to be neon green

One side green, one side pink.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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I got to gently caress around in a friend's mom's Focus ST tonight. poo poo if I don't want one badly now.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Is $24,500 for an Focus ST2 comparable to the deals some of you have been getting? Local Ford deal has one as part of their clearance sale and one of my friends is ready to bite on it.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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skipdogg posted:

Shoot for 4K off MSRP.

Sticker said $28.5, so I guess good deal then. He's probably already back there buying the drat thing.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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1791apparel posted:

I picked up a new 2013 that listed for the same price, has Sony system and moonroof, for $22K. Tell him to squeeze a bit more off.

Whoa, I will text him.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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1791apparel posted:

From what I've been seeing he should be able to knock $1K off or so. He's not getting a horrible deal at $24.5K but he might as well go for broke. Good luck!

I texted him, he's heading in tomorrow morning to do his best.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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blk posted:

Try Truecar?

I've never used it, I will suggest it to him.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Fomalhaut posted:

I wasn't planning on purchasing a new car today. I only intended to compare the Fiesta ST, 500 Abarth, and FR-S. However, I took a test drive in this Fiesta, and I ended up buying it. I'll be taking some better pictures tomorrow, and I'll share them here.



That looks incredible in white. Good pick man.

My buddy couldn't qualify for financing so no scamming the keys to a Focus ST for me.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Finch! posted:

More A45 photos!

I had some Gtechniq products applied, and a full Xpel Ultimate kit installed. This is the whitest white car I've ever seen... it hurts to look at it in bright sunlight.









It's so much fun to drive. I find myself going the long way and unnecessarily entering underground or multi-level car parks. The sound - particularly upshifts and the snaps and crackles on the overrun - seems to upset a few pedestrians, but it also does get plenty of thumbs up. Willall Racing do a "phase 1" tuning package for $2500, taking it to 305kw and 560nm (409hp/413 foot pounds), with free upgrades to phase 2 and 3 as they are released. It's tempting as gently caress but I'm scared to spend any more money

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Rub it in a bit more you jerk.




Just kidding dude, that's hot as gently caress.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Just Chompin' posted:

Looking into a cheaper hatch. I was thinking of the Fiat Abarth, Ford Focus/Fiesta ST, or Veloster R Spec, what do you guys think?

Fiesta ST seems to be the new favorite around these parts.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Just Chompin' posted:

I really want to test the Veloster. It seems like it's the most unknown. The Fiat is super cool, but the more I look into it, it seems like the driving position might be untenable for someone my size(6'2").

Bajaha's ownership experience has been pretty bad so far.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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I wish Mazda was doing anything at all with the Mazdaspeed brand. There doesn't appear to be a single thing on the horizon.

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Mar 22, 2003

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Bovril Delight posted:

Supposedly the Speed3 will be back as a 2018 model. Bit of a lag there.

Every terrible Mazda forum has some dude with insider info who has a different story. Turbo Skyactive/Turbo Diesl/AWD/RWD etc etc.

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Mar 22, 2003

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Bovril Delight posted:

This was actually in C&D but not much more reputable. I'd love to see a new MS3 but not holding out a lot of hope.

All I want in the world is a small, AWD turbo 6 speed hatch with a Mazda M on it.

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