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As Carl Sagan pointed out, we have a civilization that is increasingly dependent on science and technology, and a majority of people know jackshit about central STEM concepts. Then you get capitalism involved and there is the effect of decades of propaganda defending certain approaches: Here's a great movie about DDT from 1992, where you see many memes that have returned in the GMO debate. Sadly our current issues are more intractable and the causal relationships aren't quite as easy to communicate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLtyaugzw4 Until something goes horribly wrong with GMOs the political/industrial complex that controls agriculture will keep moving in whatever direction it is going now. Even if something goes wrong I'm sure lots and lots of media chaff will be deployed to undermine serious reform.
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Deteriorata posted:There was no "no damage" option. There was a 'low damage' option of using a small nuke (kilotonish) to seal the well - but that would involve a federal government that is proactive about deep sea drilling. The current culture is to trust the march of progress led by the free market.
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GMOs also have a very different political dimension in India than in Western Nations. There's the Bhopal disaster, for one. People in India haven't forgotten. GMOs can be seen as another manifestation of Western Exploitation - the science should be public and if we have barriers of goods (but not information) - perhaps a 'homegrown' application would be developed and accepted. Sir James Goldsmith was an early critic of Globalization, GATT, and the more money==better approach to agriculture (rather than nutritional yields, tradition, etc). In a 1994 interview he mentions the criticisms of Vandana Shiva. While Goldsmith died in the late 90's; Dr. Shiva is still alive but has become a bit of a reactionary crank about the technology - however I don't blame her after decades of effort accomplishing little to affect the 'inevitable form' of globalization (brought to you by Monsanto, BP, Apple, etc)
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acephalousuniverse posted:I don't have a kid, I just want lots of people to die.  The diminishing of the State in relation to Market Conglomerates isn't environmentally sound. For the benefit of preexisting Multinationals fossil fuels remain subsidized and central to most economic activity (since the only interest of these Market Conglomerates is profit/dividends). Nation-State institutions are supposed to be conglomerates that act in the long term interest of their commonwealth. Expanding the 'free trade zone', abusing information technology, and ignoring fission power is negligent of that responsibility and confidence.
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Jul 4, 2013 18:50
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Solkanar512 posted:Is the modern environmentalism movement no longer left wing either? This is why I've given up on just using the tired left/right division. I describe dissent with a mix of three 'flavors' - left, right, and gonzo. Borderline anarchoprimitivism is gonzo - but has left and right elements as well.
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Aren't the US and EU negotiating a free trade treaty? European/Russian GMO bans are a populist cover for agriculture protectionism. It isn't like these countries are offering superior/alternate applications of the technology; Monsanto is a villain that lets them avoid making US farm subsidies a WTO issue.
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Nov 11, 2013 07:12
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Hypha posted:Prepare yourselves for small interfering RNA, as well as probably a bunch of other weird things. Viruses are pieces of DNA/RNA that engage in natural selection, I don't see any possible danger in releasing customized RNA into the wild.
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Jazerus posted:Hey, see the scientific ignorance thing in the title? Please don't engage in it. It's true. My post was a kneejerk. Sorry about that. But there is the possibility that a virus could infect a modified organism and wind up acquiring some of the tailored genes/proteins.
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