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Subyng posted:You won't be forced to see from the inside of the tank because you should be able to unbutton and stick your head out of the hatch, which would give you about the same view as you do in SB now, but with the added element of being able to be shot dead by MGs and HE fire, which is always hilarious. Having played different tank games of varying sim-ness (Red Orchestra 1&2, Darkest Hour, WW2 Online, random obscure Russian sims), it works and is not un-fun. There is also an issue with simply having your camera hovering over the turret in that you can basically see over hills without exposing any part of your tank. Plus, aside from those early Russian tanks, from an interior view you would still have a 360 view of your surroundings from the cupola and/or a rotatable periscope plus any available magnified optics. There are basically no negatives to implementing at least partial interiors. As I've said before though, SB is pretty fun as is and I hope they don't gently caress with it (sans fixing arty hackavision) until removing nametags at least from RB (and hopefully the third-person camera too since that's rather game breaking in tanks unless they fix up their render system so you can't spot safely around corners with third person). Geisladisk posted:Shoot Tigers in the driver's slit, watch them explode. Shoot Panthers in the lower half of their turret to make the shot bounce into their paper thin roof and watch them explode.
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Subyng posted:
Are you sure it's not just a visual thing? Sometimes you kill tanks and they show no sign of being dead or damaged.
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May 28, 2014 01:58
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They shoot back even after I've "killed" them.
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May 28, 2014 02:15
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Subyng posted:They shoot back even after I've "killed" them. Maybe it's a bit tank clipping through its friend you killed.
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May 28, 2014 02:18
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I'm not sure if this is a bug, a feature or just lag. I was able to shoot people through materials. The prime example is two tanks either side of a sharp crest of a hill. I can shoot through the crest of the hill which admittedly was not particulary thick and hit the enemy tank (and in fact, shots that penetrated enough to kill the other tank). Only a tiny sliver of the enemy tank was visible so I think it was going through the hill rather than deflecting ever so slightly and hitting the other tank.
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Trouser Mouse Bear posted:I'm not sure if this is a bug, a feature or just lag. you can definitely shoot through the crests of hill and the top log of the log piles. Its not because of ballistic trajectories, they just dont have fully modeled shell collision, or you are in fact shooting through them.
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May 28, 2014 03:27
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Subyng posted:Having played different tank games of varying sim-ness (Red Orchestra 1&2, Darkest Hour, WW2 Online, random obscure Russian sims) 
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May 28, 2014 03:36
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Oh man the Ki-61 rules. I'm having a ton of fun with it and Japan in general
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May 28, 2014 03:47
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Robot Randy posted:Oh man the Ki-61 rules. I'm having a ton of fun with it and Japan in general This is a good post. Japan owns so much.
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May 28, 2014 03:52
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I was really excited to get the cannon hein but it's so loving wobbly in a turn that hitting poo poo is really hard and 2-3 rounds flying it put me off it and I haven't touched it since The Spit IX on the other hand is like flying a graceful, murderous bird 
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Fart Car '97 posted:The Spit IX on the other hand is like flying a graceful, murderous bird I prefer to come screaming out of the sun behind a massive wall of lead and high explosives.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I prefer to come screaming out of the sun behind a massive wall of lead and high explosives. So you enjoy flying German heavy fighters?
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Fart Car '97 posted:I was really excited to get the cannon hein but it's so loving wobbly in a turn that hitting poo poo is really hard and 2-3 rounds flying it put me off it and I haven't touched it since It can dive at 700+ kph without a care, BnZ that poo poo son
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May 28, 2014 04:05
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It's funny how if you seriously want to maximize your win rate then  is the way to go but overall they are the least played nation.The only time I've ever felt like I was at a genuine disadvantage when playing Japan is on Midway.
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Pimpmust posted:There is but one cooler, StuG drivers pay attention It's funny - when I first started playing in the closed beta, I thought "Man, this handling is so realistic - I go to turn at speed and the tank practically does a donut!" What do you know, reality is unrealistic.* bUm posted:I think partial interiors might be okay. There's little to be gained for the cost for fully modelled interiors though as opposed to simply having (un)buttoned drivers/commanders view and gunsights (which they've confirmed historically accurate ones are coming eventually). With those five views (maybe six with a hull MG view), only the buttoned commander needs anything interior modelled (inside of the cupola, maybe some turret internals to not upset spergs about just having darkness below). I agree - tanking in Red Orchestra was awesome and the restricted viewpoints made it claustrophobic, paranoia-inducing, and exciting. They could definitely get away with modelling only a portion of the tank - the only reason Red Orchestra modeled so drat much of the interior was for the animations switching between positions, and that wasn't necessary. *At least relatively faster, cold-war era  crazy tanks. Most WWII tanks couldn't muster that much horsepower.
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I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about!
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Hahhahahaha, I just played the 12x.50 B-25. I got a double kill by spewing out both ends, lol. The full line of B-25s now really lets you min/max guns/cannons/bombs all day everyday. 
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Azran posted:I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about! Would you mind including a link to my preview, please? http://www.armchairgeneral.com/war-thunder-ground-forces-mmo-game-preview.htm The more traffic I get, the more inclined ACG will be to use me for more previews and to have me do more War Thunder pieces in particular.
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Zsinjeh posted:While talking cool Swedish tanks, I've always loved the Stridsvagn 103 or S-Tank. Instead of having a turret it adjusted its suspension like a lowrider to aim and could go hulldown almost to the point of being completely invisible to the enemy Yet not any sleeker than T72 that had a turret.
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Azran posted:I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about! Don't forget the best "pubbies are terrible" one: 
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May 28, 2014 04:28
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Boy I sure love getting the RP bug. All my RP got dumped into a 720 RP upgrade
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AceRimmer posted:Would that sim be T-72: Balkans on Fire by any chance? Actually there's one called Tiger vs. T-34 (or the other way around) and Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942 (this one made by the same dudes that made T-72 though)
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May 28, 2014 04:45
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 Fly the Ki-61, holy poo poo
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May 28, 2014 04:50
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Robot Randy posted:Fly the Ki-61, holy poo poo Can we get this quote in the OP? Not the image, just the text
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Azran posted:I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about! Shine posted:Immediately TK all bronies and say "No ponies" in global chat.
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Azran posted:I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about! If you do, in fact, make the new OP, the following gifs and images are very important: Repairing  Close shave  How to jet  L2P  Pubbies  Dat Pilot poo poo  Chivalry  Base Defense Mode  Get Faster  Luda-Yak  Punch Out  Prime Engines for takeoff 
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Yes. Yes. Yeeeeees. I'll put it for peer review tomorrow. I can always fill out gameplay details later (like charts about how to angle armour, etcetera), the important stuff would be helping newbies getting started - what not to spend Eagles on, differences between nations, etc.
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Azran posted:I'm working on the new OP right now, and I need GIFs and pretty screenshots. Also, any effort posts you may feel proud about! IMO keep the OP as simple as possible. All the .gifs and screenshots and videos and massive walls of texts relating to gun convergence and ammo types and BnZ tactics can be useful or funny but its a lot to dig through if you know nothing about the game:  You know planes, yeah? You know tanks, right? Well, War Thunder is a game that lets you play planes and tanks and all that. One day they might even add ships or some poo poo. ...and its FREE.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq8dp3PQ22I ^ lol placeholders, obviously.  Do I need a joystick?
 Teamwork and communication are the only things that are genuinely OP in this game.  We use the CTS mumble. GOON SQUADRONS:  [GO] Get Out [GI] Get In [WoL] Wings of Lowtax [LAME] Losing and Making Excuses Seriously just pick the planes you think look cool. This game is great in that 99% of the planes are viable (100% in arcade/sim battles). You can fly anything. You should fly everything. If you're concerned with gameplay:
 Lots of ammo on lots of .50s. Allows you to take pot shots at people from very far away or switch from air to ground kills better than any other nation. Has the most popular bombers because .50s and large bomb loads. Has amazing diversity and the best premium tree featuring the most iconic planes from other nations (Zero/Spitfire/109). Overall, clearly the best tree if you plan on spending actual money on this game. The only downside to playing this nation is that it attracts bad players. If you're willing to deal with idiotic teammates then this nation is the closest you'll get to having a definitive advantage without relying on others. But teamwork is incredibly loving OP and is what wins battles so do not think you can rely on this alone. For people who like fly high and go fast in swooping dive attacks then climb back to circle over their enemies like a hawk (this is known as BnZing or "Boom and Zooming", a tactic used by energy fighters. It is called this because you "boom" someone then zoom away before they can shoot back). Not for players that want to focus on turn fighting. There is only one turn fighter on the tree and it sucks unless you know what you're doing. Jack of all trades, masters of none. Their best fighters are capable of both turning and BnZing... but in order to get the most out of them, you have to know whether or not your enemy is a turn fighter or an energy fighter and play against their strengths/weaknesses. This is why Russia starts out as a good for beginners in the beginning but becomes one of the harder nations to play later in the game where other nations start to specialize in whatever niche they fall into. It's also why lists like this have to be made to save some new players some grief. Even though literally ALL of the trees are good, this one tends to be the underrated and most ignored one. Spitfires are the 2nd best turn fighter in the game where basically the only time you're going to have trouble turn fighting against something is when you're against Japanese A6M# Zeroes or biplanes. Typhoons are basically British cannon versions of the P-47 Thunderbolt (an extremely popular plane because it owns) that are a little bit slower but turn a little bit better. Then you have Brofighters which have a poo poo ton of cannons that shoot forward for being such low level making it very popular amongst arcade players who only care about raw firepower. Like Russia, Britain is basically a "Jack of all trades" nation but their specific planes specialize much, much more in what they do to the point where they're actually secretly experts at it. But nobody cares because they won't play this nation as their first choice when new to this game. Zeroes are hands down the best turn fighters in the game. But they're slow so the trick is to get people to turn with you instead of chase anyone down because you can't. You've heard of Zeroes, it's probably why you're even reading this in the first place. They're loving badass and you get more of them than you can count. This is the nation to play if you want to be a pro turnfighter zig-zagging through furballs without ever getting hit... because if you get hit, you die. Paper isn't a very durable thing to make planes out of. There are also very agile energy fighters on Japan that are able to switch from diving on people to turn fighting and are basically great at both. This tree also has the best bomber in the game for air-to-air kills, the G8N1 because it has cannons and is unapproachable due to its high rate of climb and overall cruising speed. This is what all the best bomber players fly but its worth noting that USA is the most popular choice for bombers for obvious reasons. Basically, Japan is IMO the best nation to play if you want to minimize the number of bullshit random variables to deal with and win matches via pure skill. It is not popular with new players but very popular with the ones that know what they're doing.As for JETS, forget about them. I'm not trying to be mean, you're not missing out on anything. I promise. Jets are only in this game to serve very experienced players that have dedicated an insanely nerdy amount of time to a single nation and can afford expensive repairs. Many of us have jets in every nation but that just goes to show how [Lame] we are. My recommendation is to play all of the nations and try not to even think about jets until you have a plane in Era III or IV across the board. Assuming you actually play this game every day then months from now when its time to actually maybe think about which jet you want to pick, go back to the top of this guide and remind yourself to simply pick the one that you think looks the coolest. This is the absolute best way to determine what to fly in this game. Well that or just take advantage of the fact that you can test fly whatever plane you have available to research but keep in mind that every nation gets at least one amazing end-game jet that can compete against anything so don't even try to determine which nation has "the best" jets because they all own.  Each is fun in their own way. It's best to play all of them a bit. Arcade Battles:
This mode is great if you want to just fly around and shoot stuff and not worry about dying because you'll have plenty of extra lives. There are still match objectives for one of the teams to win but it isn't really worth trying to min/max because of how chaotic the arcade environment is.
Intended to be the stepping stone from arcade to sim battles, this has instead become the competitive sperg cyber-athlete mode because it is still mouse friendly. No respawns - rounds play out kind of like Counter-Strike in that there's an objective that can be done but really most rounds are won by the last man standing. This is what the aircraft aspect of War Thunder centers around. The way you fly matters the most here. Each plane has its own strengths/weaknesses. Teamwork and communication are OP. Tactics play a bigger part in this than any other mode, which is what the majority of this thread will be arguing about. Play this if you want to win more often from skill and not chance.
Joystick mode. This is for flight sim nerds. While you can use a joystick in the other modes and be at a disadvantage, using a mouse in Sim battles is hilariously unintuitive and will get you killed unless you're in a bomber that allows you to use tail gunners. In terms of gameplay mechanics, this is just like realistic battles except you are limited to cockpit view only and nobody really takes it that seriously because more people are fighting their controls rather than each other. Despite the higher learning curve/skillcap, players tend to approach this mode casually and will just fly to the middle of the map and turn fight with each other at low altitude until someone crashes or gets shot down. Then occasionally you have that one cyber-ace that comes in and wrecks everyone's poo poo. 
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In all seriousness, listen to lowcard. All this inside baseball poo poo will just throw people off or mislead them or anger them or be as stupid as it obviously is. In this game you point planes at targets and kill them. Alternately, you point tanks at targets and kill them. Focus on that. Look, the most important thing to put in about tanks is that Algebra II is basically required  I almost forgot how important upgrades are.  Some earnest player with no bandwidth is going to hate me
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Thunderstruck.gif needs to be in. If Search was up I would link it, but I guess Shine decided to squat the server.
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Artless Meat posted:Thunderstruck.gif needs to be in. If Search was up I would link it, but I guess Shine decided to squat the search server. That gif owns, but I'm mostly trolling. The OP should probably not be 45 mb.
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mlmp08 posted:That gif owns, but I'm mostly trolling. The OP should probably not be 45 mb. We need to outdo the 40k word Steam Thread op.
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Griz posted:Pz2 APCR ammo will also go through tier 1 armor like paper at typical tier 1 ranges, and someone who knows where to aim can get all your crew with half a mag or less. The default belt is better against almost everything. The API will go through any Tier 1 Armor short the T-60/70 line and the HEF murders things with extremly thin armor (T-26 for example) super fast. Added bonus, you don't need to aim at all, unlike the APCR belt, just hover over the tank you want dead and keep the mouse button pressed until you see a plume of smoke or pillar of fire. It's that easy. 
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So I just unlocked the first T-34 last night, but I didn't have a chance to play it until tonight. I...I think I'm in love. 
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Dramicus posted:They all make more lions across the board without exceptions. In Arcade, sure. SB is the best part about tanks though, and premiums make less lions than non-premiums in SB.
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