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Murata and ONE are pouring their heart into the manga version and it's gorgeous. It also lacks the same emotional punch as the webcomic right now and it's mostly down to pacing. Comparing the two versions of this arc could be used as a case study in narrative efficiency and the old writer's adage of "killing your darlings." E: Also a criticism of the OPM manga is not an implicit criticism of the people who enjoy it, of you see someone griping about a perceived misstep it's because they love another version of the story and are disappointed in an aspect of its retelling. Making it personal beyond that might be a common reaction to seeing something you like being criticized but it's misguided sentiment. Runa fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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I think it's just a matter of waiting for years to see it, there's just high expectations is all. And yeah even though there's some things I'm disappointed with in the manga version it's still very good on its own merits. I honestly think this latest chapter is also pretty good, it is however going to be interesting to see how the climax plays out since, again, that's where the big emotional payoff is. It's funny that Saitama's line about destroying the planet was moved here rather than being tucked away in an offhand, but incredibly ominous joke during the initial descent into the Monster Association.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:40
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I'm willing to accept a lot of these differences, and even the pacing hiccups, if the manga version of the Garou finale still manages to punch me in my feelings half as hard as the webcomic managed to.
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Elentor posted:lol
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Brandfarlig posted:
Yes, that's what he said
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Mar 26, 2022 18:58
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Sounds like a tedious dweeb, op.
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Elentor posted:It's different and worse but not different and bad, it's still good on its own way and after endless chapters of painfully boring over-the-top over-extended shounen fights I'll take Saitama talking to Garou which was the point of this whole arc. 
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Apr 28, 2022 19:04
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Publishing rough drafts with full production isn't something that's usually done in manga. And the much rougher rough draft with the worse art was the more tightly written product.
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It's admirable that ONE is trying to keep Murata out of the porn hole but there's only so much one man can do before Phoenixman runs out of space on his coat rack.
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I'm just hoping this arc nails the landing, the webcomic version of the Garou arc's ending was the strongest moment, emotionally, and if the Murata version can even approach it I'll be happy. It's very pretty and all and some people are excited about that to the point where a nicely drawn fight is supposed to be a rebuttal to webcomic fans' concerns but, really, the story is all I care about. My favorite content in the Murata version are the little extra chapters where ONE writes a simple story centered around a single joke and some slice of life antics for the heroes. Those rarely have the kind of production levels as the big fights but they're filled with heart.
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Elentor posted:They're not the same thing anymore, with that said I just want more of the webcomic. It was fun and the past few chapters had been great and it's been so long. yeah, I'd like a resolution to the Hero Association Naming Victims arc at least
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The manga version is still pretty good as far as manga goes but it's demonstrably less tightly-plotted than the webcomic. We even see this demonstrated in real time everytime there's yet another redraw that changes how the plot plays out. ONE has an artist who is willing to indulge him in excesses he probably didn't want to bother with when he was the person who had to draw them. Hell, a bunch of his author's notes for MP100 basically amount to "I wish someone else was drawing this for me lol." Meanwhile Murata's a perfectionist who will absolutely go back and redo something if he or ONE decide to revise something they've already put out. The seemingly-endless pursuit of perfection has made an enemy of good and now we have a product that feels diminished for it. This is not to say the manga version is bad manga, there's much worse out there and the art's phenomenal. It's still, as I said, pretty good! That's probably why fans of the manga feel so offended that people who read the webcomic are criticizing it. Meanwhile, webcomic fans just prefer the version of the story that was, frankly, better written. And we'd like more of it. There hasn't been a webcomic update in a long, long time. Presumably, ONE's been busy. I honestly don't really appreciate webcomic fans constantly getting sniped at with snide remarks everytime there's an impressive color splash page. I'm just trying to enjoy both versions on their own merits, and I don't agree I'm being unfair or that "nothing could please me" just because I prefer another version more.
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Elentor posted:I don't think it's common. I use it in my stories and as someone once pointed to me all my CYOAs end in horrible death by radiation. ... Waitaminute
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The junk collector posted:It really did feel like the wrote themselves into a corner but punching the space time continuum so it never happened works I guess. Jupiter getting sneezed on was an amazing drawing. Yeah but I also kind of had to applaud the audacity to just hit a reset button after the huge spectacle diverted things away from the script. It's very obviously a quick fix but it also looks amazing.
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Unit24 posted:I know faith in ONE and Murata is at an all time low in this thread, but I'm kind of surprised that anyone here believes that the time travel is a course correction to fix a mistake and not something that was planned from the moment they killed off Genos just a couple of chapters ago. If they wanted to "fix" something, they'd just redo some chapters like they always do. Fair enough, but it still feels like a way to have one's cake and eat it too. I keep harping on ONE and Murata overindulging themselves and nowhere is this more highlighted by the fact that they escalated a fight to the point where they needed to push an in-narrative reset button. A common enough thread in writing is "kill your darlings," get rid of an idea (character, scene) the narrative doesn't need in order to remove cruft. And you don't get much more unnecessary than a scene that basically functions the same purpose as the giant vampire fight in the last twilight movie, one which also got retconned out of its own narrative after it was done.
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Yes it's incredibly gorgeous to look at, no it narratively does not actually serve a purpose that hasn't been illustrated elsewhere within the same arc. People calling it the best chapter ever or a vindication of their faith unlike "the webcomic readers" when the entire fight is just an overindulgence ending in a copout because there's no way to move forward from it is kind of lol That said I like the scenes where the characters actually get to talk to each other, and I'm looking forward to seeing the how the real emotional ending of the arc lands.
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YggdrasilTM posted:I think this chapter really had a lot of humor, a lot of unexpected introspection ("you weren't just clinging to him for support?") and honestly the art, while gorgeous, was only a minimal part why this chapter was good. You could have taken away the sneezing scene and my opinion of the chapter would have been the same. Kind of takes some of the wind out of the character work they just went through when they don't remember it, and I expect the initial gag if Saitama not remembering the events of the fight are going to be walked back so as not to let it be a waste of character development. Because we already knew Garou was a good person at heart and so did Saitama, it's just a shame to let that moment "not count." We also already knew about God, that was the entire point of Homeless Emperor. We also knew Garou would never be able to beat Saitama because, well. The reason why I said I'm still looking forward to the next chapter is because the ingredients to stick the landing are there and most of my complaints could easily be addressed when it comes time for Saitama, Bang, and Tareo to protect Garou from the S-class mob.
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's not like suddenly what they found out is not true anymore. Saitama is clinging to Genos to remain himself. Sure but, you can see why this whole digression feels weird, right? It definitely feels like something that might be get reworked or massaged to work better later, and thats kind of a thing that happens in the manga version, for better or worse.
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Ehh. Gonna chalk this up to a difference of opinion.
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No Wave posted:I'm not saying it's a bad chapter, but claims that it's good are definitely hyperbole. Joke's on you, the chapter is good, actually.
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Dicks out for time shenanigans
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It's the only way the whole lethal escalation could work without ending the story so, yeah. I just think it makes the entire post-God-contact portion of the fight very self-indulgent. Fun, but also they knew drat well they'd be writing themselves in a corner if they decided to just go dicks to the wall crazy for the finale.
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No Wave posted:But... they just went dicks to the wall crazy. And that's why they had to dial things back to a two cores one dick timeline
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No Wave posted:I read lots of manga and I am an idiot. I can watch a villain do terrible things and then deeply regret it over and over and over, it never gets old for me all I care about is the level of execution. Garou regretted so hard he sent Saitama back in time to stop himself, and salvaging some worth and dignity out of his sad life by passing on a supreme technique as God is killing him is to me just correct shounen. The fact something so climactic results in a ridiculous anticlimax in the other timeline is even better, just a complete dismissal of whatever terrible point Garou was trying to make. You know what, I've changed my mind. You make a pretty good case, I'm sold on it.
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I'm being entirely serious, I'm mostly here for stuff like the aftermath of the meteor, the climax of the sea king arc, the pathos of boros. I was mostly letting my bemusement at the anticlimax and the plot device itself diminish doomedtimeline!Garou's final struggle and sacrifice, and that's on me. It's still a strong moment, even if it's from a cut off timeline.
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Listen, if these giant centipedes keep needing to learn this lesson there's really only one guy qualified to keep teaching it
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It didn't hit quite as strong a note as I think it could have (in the manga version the Sea King and King learning about Saitama are probably the biggest tearjerkers imo, which is a shame since in the webcomic the Garou arc ending is still the strongest emotional climax) and I'm a little sad that the S-class heroes weren't able to witness the Table Flip in this version, but overall I enjoyed it.
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Yeah this is new territory so I'm just here along for the ride. Though I would still like to see a Tatsumaki fight happen somehow, that poo poo was hilarious.
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These are good points, looking forward to the next chapter. Garou is more developed and openly sympathetic in the manga version so it makes a lot of sense for him to hang around in the aftermath. That's a change I enjoy a lot, tbh, his original fate was definitely pretty lovely for a fundamentally decent guy who was ultimately just feared and misunderstood.
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Yeah this change I'm 100% behind
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Honestly I'm pretty okay with Garou being on probation instead of on the lam, too.
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I'm still amazed that ONE found the time to get back to this
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I'm also concerned for Genos and his state of mind right now but I also trust Saitama has his back when it all comes down to it
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PringleCreamEgg posted:She seems nice.
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Jul 13, 2023 09:46
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sweet mask got to have a masked rider moment
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:to be clear I hope ONE continues. their artwork has improved a ton since the beginning. I'm sure it helps to work with other artists and see their process and improve your own. plus I really enjoy this story and the growth of a lot of these character have experienced Yeah Like, even though ONE's still basically knocking out scribbles the composition and framing is still really strong. It's a contrast to art from, say, a lot of korean webtoons with scrolling canvas vertical space where on a technical level people are drawn much more cleanly but they're still aggressively boring to read because the lack of constraints on their digital canvas, and the knowledge that reading just means scrolling down one or two frames at a time, means there's no pressure to actually improve page composition. When the guy tossing out actual scribbles has more dynamic art than you, you know you're just letting yourself down.
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lmao at McCoy finally doing something right admittedly it's to save his own drat skin but lol kneelbeforezog posted:So what would happen if you removed Ones limitation of fitting it on a manga panel and letting it be drawn for screen? you have no idea how much laziness that would unlock it may be the source of ONE's power but there's such a thing as overindulgence
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Mr. Lobe posted:His ribs would say otherwise drat
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