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Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Pillbug

560S reviews say it's on par with the 660, apart from build quality and some minor aspects, so yeah probably going to get a pair of 560s

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Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


Any opinions on the HD800S? I know they're divisive but when even Amir at ASR gushes over their subjective performance, regardless of them really needing EQ, it seems pretty compelling. My ATH-R70X are my first open backs and I really like them but the detail is not as good as my IEMs from a subjective standpoint. I'm thinking about returning them for the HD800S as the 5 and 6 series seem like they would be a sidegrade rather than a step up. EDIT: The reason I'm interested in over ear headphones is that my cauliflower ear sometimes flares up and hurts so bad I can't use IEMs.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Apr 8, 2021

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!

Pillbug

Yuns posted:

Any opinions on the HD800S? I know they're divisive but when even Amir at ASR gushes over their subjective performance, regardless of them really needing EQ, it seems pretty compelling. My ATH-R70X are my first open backs and I really like them but the detail is not as good as my IEMs from a subjective standpoint. I'm thinking about returning them for the HD800S as the 5 and 6 series seem like they would be a sidegrade rather than a step up. EDIT: The reason I'm interested in over ear headphones is that my cauliflower ear sometimes flares up and hurts so bad I can't use IEMs.

I own a pair, and they are very comfy to wear for many hours. The build quality feels a bit cheap and the headband adjustment feels kinda loose. I'm always worried about the aluminum parts of the ear cups that basically feel like they have the structural integrity of a soda can, and like someone being a bit careless with their fingertips could pierce them.

I've never heard of them as "divisive", most people seem to call them neutral with a tiny bit weak low-end bass. Sound quality? At this level you can't really get something "better" in any meaningful sense, only something that suits your subjective taste more closely.

Soundwise you'd probably be just as happy with a HifiMan Sundara, or for ultimate over-ear comfort you could look into something as cheap as just the Philips Fidelio X2/X2HR/X3.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


evobatman posted:

I own a pair, and they are very comfy to wear for many hours. The build quality feels a bit cheap and the headband adjustment feels kinda loose. I'm always worried about the aluminum parts of the ear cups that basically feel like they have the structural integrity of a soda can, and like someone being a bit careless with their fingertips could pierce them.

I've never heard of them as "divisive", most people seem to call them neutral with a tiny bit weak low-end bass. Sound quality? At this level you can't really get something "better" in any meaningful sense, only something that suits your subjective taste more closely.

Soundwise you'd probably be just as happy with a HifiMan Sundara, or for ultimate over-ear comfort you could look into something as cheap as just the Philips Fidelio X2/X2HR/X3.
Thanks so much for the insight. By divisive, I meant that there are a subset of people who report that they can't deal with the trebles of the HD800S.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

MTV




The HD800 had sharp treble and resonances from what I heard. The HD800S revision is not nearly as punishing. Many Beyerdynamics are harsher.
Most criticisms I see of the HD800S revolve around a lack of bass and that the expansive soundstage and very distinct imaging means that they aren't super versatile and thus are subpar for certain genres, which I can substantiate from my own experiences. They really, really exacerbate bad production in otherwise great albums that sound good on less hyper detail oriented systems.
Sad Wings of Destiny for example, sounds like utter poo poo on them, whereas on the LCD-X it still carries the right energy despite the junky production.

If you want a pair of headphones that gets close to the HD800S in broadness and imaging, but that have a more versatile sound with significantly more bass in a similar price range, I highly recommend the HiFiMan Arya. It has some of the broadest soundstage I've heard in a pair of headphones and with a proper, high power amp the bass response can do some real work (they're deceptively hard to drive). The Arya has made it very difficult for me to really justify using my HD800S the majority of the time - I mostly pull them out when I'm listening to classical or jazz.

The HD800S are considered by a lot of people to be the creme de la creme of the $1400-2000 bracket, but I often feel that's usually reinforced by audiophiles you find during Google searches gushing over how great and detailed they sound playing their audiophile collection of very audiophile records done with audiophile-level sound engineering. They're absolutely amazing in that respect, but they are not the end all, be all for me in terms of making music sound enjoyable. I'm glad I have them, but they're beat out by other pairs I have when it comes to being a daily driver.

I wouldn't say they're divisive, mostly just over-represented since they're often seen as THE endgame headphone above all over endgame pairs, which isn't really true.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


Oysters Autobio posted:

Thanks, might have to consider upping my budget for those Sony's (I like that they've been making these for years and seem to be well regarded to be built well).

But otherwise, also considering the Status Audio CB-1's vs the AudioTechnicas. Of the two, which would have better construction and durability? I'm a clutz so I am sure to drop these, throw them on my desk etc.

edit: Nevermind, found the Sony's in my budget so I went with those. Thanks for the advice!

I am having trouble now narrowing down to a cheap microphone just to talk to friends I'm gaming with. My first thought was a cheap condenser mic with stand but then I realized if it sits on my desk it would pick up my mechanical keyboard. Though if it's small enough I could put it ontop of my PC tower (my tower sits on my desk so it could sit on top and aim horizontally at my face? It's just slightly over a foot from my face).

Another option would be a cheap condenser mic with a mini/small boom arm attached to the back of my desk (I don't want a really big boom arm or anything). Should I just get a gooseneck desktop mic instead?

The Antlion modmic setup may work but its a bit expensive for my taste ($140CDN on amazon.ca).

So, what's a good enough directional microphone for just chatting with friends on occasional game nights that's budget friendly?

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Apr 9, 2021

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

MAYBE IF MY WEAK NONSENSICAL "BURNS" ARE CONVOLUTED ENOUGH, NOBODY WILL NOTICE THAT IN SPITE OF BEING A CONDESCENDING TAINTSMEAR IN EVERY THREAD I POST IN, I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HAD ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY INSIGHTFUL OR FUNNY TO SAy.

Oysters Autobio posted:

I am having trouble now narrowing down to a cheap microphone just to talk to friends I'm gaming with. My first thought was a cheap condenser mic with stand but then I realized if it sits on my desk it would pick up my mechanical keyboard. Though if it's small enough I could put it ontop of my PC tower (my tower sits on my desk so it could sit on top and aim horizontally at my face? It's just slightly over a foot from my face).

Another option would be a cheap condenser mic with a mini/small boom arm attached to the back of my desk (I don't want a really big boom arm or anything). Should I just get a gooseneck desktop mic instead?

The Antlion modmic setup may work but its a bit expensive for my taste ($140CDN on amazon.ca).

So, what's a good enough directional microphone for just chatting with friends on occasional game nights that's budget friendly?

If all you want to do is chat with friends any microphone whatsoever including the ones built into your cheap bundled earbuds that came free with your [generic consumer product] will do just fine.

Otherwise IDK exactly what you're after and it sounds like you might want something streamer grade. Which would be overkill for your stated needs, though nothing wrong with that. In such a case just go through Audio-Technica's catalogue until you find the usage solution you need in the price you're happy with. Or equivalent from another professional audio manufacturer.

Wait until you start thinking thoughts like "well if I got a quieter mechanical keyboard I could..." and I'll now let that brainbug start its work on you. Don't forget to install dampening material on your walls!

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Apr 9, 2021

Orv
May 4, 2011


DildenAnders posted:

They're just a little more than $150, and have some weird shipping issues, but the Sennheiser Pc38x has a great soundstage and nice mic for the price. They are open-backed, so not much isolation, but open-backed is a lot better for soundstage.

After losing my goddamn mind for like a week straight I emerged from my research fugue and ended up with some M40Xs, since I have a mic setup. I appreciate it though, the 38x were one I was definitely looking at.

And I fell down a hole where I'm now thinking about amps and stuff so welp.

Orv fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Apr 9, 2021

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

The HD800 had sharp treble and resonances from what I heard. The HD800S revision is not nearly as punishing. Many Beyerdynamics are harsher.
Most criticisms I see of the HD800S revolve around a lack of bass and that the expansive soundstage and very distinct imaging means that they aren't super versatile and thus are subpar for certain genres, which I can substantiate from my own experiences. They really, really exacerbate bad production in otherwise great albums that sound good on less hyper detail oriented systems.
Sad Wings of Destiny for example, sounds like utter poo poo on them, whereas on the LCD-X it still carries the right energy despite the junky production.

If you want a pair of headphones that gets close to the HD800S in broadness and imaging, but that have a more versatile sound with significantly more bass in a similar price range, I highly recommend the HiFiMan Arya. It has some of the broadest soundstage I've heard in a pair of headphones and with a proper, high power amp the bass response can do some real work (they're deceptively hard to drive). The Arya has made it very difficult for me to really justify using my HD800S the majority of the time - I mostly pull them out when I'm listening to classical or jazz.

The HD800S are considered by a lot of people to be the creme de la creme of the $1400-2000 bracket, but I often feel that's usually reinforced by audiophiles you find during Google searches gushing over how great and detailed they sound playing their audiophile collection of very audiophile records done with audiophile-level sound engineering. They're absolutely amazing in that respect, but they are not the end all, be all for me in terms of making music sound enjoyable. I'm glad I have them, but they're beat out by other pairs I have when it comes to being a daily driver.

I wouldn't say they're divisive, mostly just over-represented since they're often seen as THE endgame headphone above all over endgame pairs, which isn't really true.

The 800 series is like a two-seater supercar. Itís the tops at what it does, but the things that make it special can also make it uncomfortable, annoying, and limiting in other use cases, and youíre going to want to have another, different, probably much cheaper, car around.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


Thanks for all the information. I was also interested on the Arya and the Focal Clear especially since reviewers like Crinacle like them but the Amir reviews on ASR made me pretty wary of Clear and the most recent review of the Ananda on ASR was not good.

Gunder
May 21, 2003

97.5 The Brodeo


Placed my order for the Drop x Sennheiser HD 6XX today, along with the JDS labs Atom stack. Thanks for the advice everyone!

One last question: is it worth purchasing balanced cables for this thing? I couldnít quite work out if itís worthwhile for the setup Iíve ordered. If itís worth it, is there any sort of cable or brand I should get? I know Drop makes one.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

MTV




Yuns posted:

Thanks for all the information. I was also interested on the Arya and the Focal Clear especially since reviewers like Crinacle like them but the Amir reviews on ASR made me pretty wary of Clear and the most recent review of the Ananda on ASR was not good.

The Clears are very good though and can be found at great prices right now because of the release of the MG.

The Ananda I've not had the opportunity to listen to, but honestly I've never found Amir's assessment of headphones to be that reliable as far as my personal tastes. The Clears are held in pretty signifigant regard and for good reason. I don't own a pair but I've had the opportunity to listen to them a few times and they're extraordinarily entertaining sounding headphones, I can imagine that means they might not measure too well. You can find them for $1000 now if you look in the right places which is a great deal if you don't mind that you're not getting the updated MG.

The Arya is my undisputed headphone king though. They sound absolutely immense without the sort of clinical distance the HD800S can have, and boy are they vertical. Capable of making virtually any genre sound great and not so forced in the treble that they make poorly produced albums sound like messy junky.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT




Yuns posted:

Thanks for all the information. I was also interested on the Arya and the Focal Clear especially since reviewers like Crinacle like them but the Amir reviews on ASR made me pretty wary of Clear and the most recent review of the Ananda on ASR was not good.

Have you listened to any of these cans? Crinacle has pretty specific tastes and ASR, while arguably more objective tends to hone in on "issues" that often don't make any audible difference.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

MTV




Gunder posted:

Placed my order for the Drop x Sennheiser HD 6XX today, along with the JDS labs Atom stack. Thanks for the advice everyone!

One last question: is it worth purchasing balanced cables for this thing? I couldn’t quite work out if it’s worthwhile for the setup I’ve ordered. If it’s worth it, is there any sort of cable or brand I should get? I know Drop makes one.

The Atom doesn't have balanced inputs or outputs so you wouldn't be able to use a balanced cable regardless.
You won't need it anyway, for most consumer use cases balanced cables are just to get more power into your headphones. I use them for my LCD-X and Arya on my THX 789 so I don't have to use high gain, but other than that they're not necessary.

The Atom is a total beast as far as power output is concerned, especially when you consider the price point. It can drive the 6XX just fine. More than fine. I use a Khadas/Atom combo on my nightstand to listen to in bed and it's been able to drive anything I throw at it, and I have some hard to drive headphones in my collection. You'll be more than set.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


Dr. Fishopolis posted:

Have you listened to any of these cans? Crinacle has pretty specific tastes and ASR, while arguably more objective tends to hone in on "issues" that often don't make any audible difference.
Unfortunately I have to buy most audio equipment blind. Unless I go into NYC I'm pretty limited with auditioning stuff close to me especially during these times. I'm pretty familiar with Crinacle's biases so I can make guesses on how much I'd like them. Amir's reviews are useful for graphs but he's definitely not as much of an expert on output devices so everything is taken with a grain of salt. I also check RTINGS as well. I wish Tyrell didn't retire because I liked his reviews a lot. The problem is so many other reviewers are so much worse than Tyrell, Crinacle, Amir and RTINGS so it's hard to take many seriously.

EDIT: I just checked Hifiman dealers and there are literally only 2 authorized dealers in NJ and one of them doesn't even carry Hifiman inventory and the other one is mostly online and only allows auditioning by appointment.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

The Clears are very good though and can be found at great prices right now because of the release of the MG.

The Ananda I've not had the opportunity to listen to, but honestly I've never found Amir's assessment of headphones to be that reliable as far as my personal tastes. The Clears are held in pretty signifigant regard and for good reason. I don't own a pair but I've had the opportunity to listen to them a few times and they're extraordinarily entertaining sounding headphones, I can imagine that means they might not measure too well. You can find them for $1000 now if you look in the right places which is a great deal if you don't mind that you're not getting the updated MG.

The Arya is my undisputed headphone king though. They sound absolutely immense without the sort of clinical distance the HD800S can have, and boy are they vertical. Capable of making virtually any genre sound great and not so forced in the treble that they make poorly produced albums sound like messy junky.
Thanks. Looking really hard at the HIFIMAN open box Arya for $1299 since they get the full year warranty of new ones.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 9, 2021

Saturnine Aberrance
Sep 6, 2010

Creator.

Please make me flesh.


I've got a hum/hiss issue with a new amp and my dumb rear end is having trouble trying to figure out where the issue is.

Ordered an Asgard 3 with the built in dac (not the multibit one) and now that it's set up I can hear a hiss at high volumes, and this bizarre distortion sound on certain tones in the right channel of whatever headphone I plug into it. (It's not the headphones' fault, the same sounds at the same volumes on another amp have no such issue)

Here's what I've done to diagnose this.

*****

When the dac isn't plugged into anything, I get a constant hum on that input. When I put it in my computer, I get a hiss, which occasionally changes in timbre when I do certain things on the computer (a clear indication of usb interference, but it's not persistent enough)

When I move the usb cable so it doesn't pass near any other electronics, I get the hiss regardless of whichever plug I put it in. An earlier dac/amp did not have this issue in any usb outlet, plugging my headphones directly into the motherboard results in no hiss at all (though obviously isn't ideal).

Plugging the amp into a different outlets doesn't change the issue. Plugging it into a different wall results in the same problem. Plugging it into an isolating power bar gets nada. Plugging that power bar into other wall outlets away from other electronics with the amp being the only thing on it - results in no change. Ensuring the amps power cable isn't routed near other electronics results in nothing.

Swapping the input to rca instead of the built in dac, regardless of what the Asgard is plugged into, results in absolutely no hum or distortion regardless of volume - but I don't have a dac to actually plug into this input.

*****

Is this a ground loop issue despite all of my (perhaps foolish) attempts to avoid it? Interference (though there's definitely some, it can't be the only issue based on my attempts to route wires away as far from other wires and electronics as possible)? A lovely dac?

Do I need to get that ebtech humx thing even with all my attempts to isolate the power cable?

Or is it an actual standalone dac I need?

Any help would be appreciated.

Saturnine Aberrance fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Apr 9, 2021

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

MAYBE IF MY WEAK NONSENSICAL "BURNS" ARE CONVOLUTED ENOUGH, NOBODY WILL NOTICE THAT IN SPITE OF BEING A CONDESCENDING TAINTSMEAR IN EVERY THREAD I POST IN, I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HAD ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY INSIGHTFUL OR FUNNY TO SAy.

Give this a go: Don't plug your USB DAC direct into your computer. Wait bear with me here. Plug it into an AC powered USB hub (not a USB powered one). Then connect that hub to your PC.

Disclaimer: IDK if it'll fix your problem.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


Ordered the open box Arya. It has a full 1 year warranty plus a 30 day return policy so if there is an issue or if I don't like it more than the R70x I can always return it.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


DancingShade posted:

If all you want to do is chat with friends any microphone whatsoever including the ones built into your cheap bundled earbuds that came free with your [generic consumer product] will do just fine.

Otherwise IDK exactly what you're after and it sounds like you might want something streamer grade. Which would be overkill for your stated needs, though nothing wrong with that. In such a case just go through Audio-Technica's catalogue until you find the usage solution you need in the price you're happy with. Or equivalent from another professional audio manufacturer.

Wait until you start thinking thoughts like "well if I got a quieter mechanical keyboard I could..." and I'll now let that brainbug start its work on you. Don't forget to install dampening material on your walls!

Sorry I should have been more clear. I got a new pair of headphones (Sony MDRs) that do not have a microphone built in. I would prefer not to have to use earbuds when I'm gaming, so whats the next best cheap alternative that (1) Has decent filter to cancel out background noise (so I don't have to use Discord push to talk), (2) is USB or just Mic-jack compatible.

It seems my options for under $50CDN are basically (1) A desktop gooseneck-type conference microphone, (2) A desktop-mounted condenser mic, (3) A boom-arm mounted condenser, (4) some type of lapel attacheable mic or I up my budget and splurge on an Modmic

It seems for both options #2 and #3, my mechanical keyboard would likely be an issue based on reading reviews of cheaper-end condensers. #3 seems a bit overkill because I'm not streaming, nor doing music, and I don't have a ton of real estate on my desk to mount something like this. #4 seems okay possibly? Seems kind of hokey though. #5 is probably the simplest but I guess if I'm being picky I hate that there would be an extra cable dangling from my headset (there's one style of modmic that actually replaces your audio cable with a mic built into a separate cable but my Sony MDRs don't have detachable cables).

I feel like I'm missing another obvious cheap solution but I don't know

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 10, 2021

Saturnine Aberrance
Sep 6, 2010

Creator.

Please make me flesh.


DancingShade posted:

Give this a go: Don't plug your USB DAC direct into your computer. Wait bear with me here. Plug it into an AC powered USB hub (not a USB powered one). Then connect that hub to your PC.

Disclaimer: IDK if it'll fix your problem.

Giving it a shot; will report back when the hub arrives. I'm honestly not expecting much, but fingers are crossed. Sucks to get an amp 'upgrade' and then wind up with universally worse audio quality.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Ground loops are a bitch. The worst ever. I end up going fully balanced and my system has zero noise but it took years to get to that point. Also, you can break the ground pin off your speaker amp power cord,. .. it did work for me. No warranty implied.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

MAYBE IF MY WEAK NONSENSICAL "BURNS" ARE CONVOLUTED ENOUGH, NOBODY WILL NOTICE THAT IN SPITE OF BEING A CONDESCENDING TAINTSMEAR IN EVERY THREAD I POST IN, I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HAD ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY INSIGHTFUL OR FUNNY TO SAy.

Oysters Autobio posted:

Sorry I should have been more clear. I got a new pair of headphones (Sony MDRs) that do not have a microphone built in. I would prefer not to have to use earbuds when I'm gaming, so whats the next best cheap alternative that (1) Has decent filter to cancel out background noise (so I don't have to use Discord push to talk), (2) is USB or just Mic-jack compatible.

It seems my options for under $50CDN are basically (1) A desktop gooseneck-type conference microphone, (2) A desktop-mounted condenser mic, (3) A boom-arm mounted condenser, (4) some type of lapel attacheable mic or I up my budget and splurge on an Modmic

It seems for both options #2 and #3, my mechanical keyboard would likely be an issue based on reading reviews of cheaper-end condensers. #3 seems a bit overkill because I'm not streaming, nor doing music, and I don't have a ton of real estate on my desk to mount something like this. #4 seems okay possibly? Seems kind of hokey though. #5 is probably the simplest but I guess if I'm being picky I hate that there would be an extra cable dangling from my headset (there's one style of modmic that actually replaces your audio cable with a mic built into a separate cable but my Sony MDRs don't have detachable cables).

I feel like I'm missing another obvious cheap solution but I don't know

https://www.v-moda.com/us/en/products/boompro-microphone

Make sure they fit your headphones before ordering (3.5mm input). Also I can't help you with your local money CDN budget aspect, not in your supply chain so the rest is up to you.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Apr 10, 2021

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Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


DancingShade posted:

https://www.v-moda.com/us/en/products/boompro-microphone

Make sure they fit your headphones before ordering (3.5mm input). Also I can't help you with your local money CDN budget aspect, not in your supply chain so the rest is up to you.

Those would be perfect but unfortunately I got a pair of Sony MDRs that don't have a detachable cable, so I wouldn't be able to use this.

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