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TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

Hubris

Fun Shoe

I was thinking more this thing.

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Serephina
Nov 8, 2005



Isn't that mostly just the normal Chocobo theme that FF has going on? I remember it being jarring back in FF7, maybe even FFT. It's garish, but it is what it is.

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy



Serephina posted:

Isn't that mostly just the normal Chocobo theme that FF has going on?

It is not, good friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyrXaU2T5is

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!



reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmF2HA04THc

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad


The Great Twist

It's definitely based on a familiar tune from FF6 unless my memory is totally off.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



the co-op theme makes me think the developers envisioned co-op as a kind of Baby Mode you used to get out of a tight spot, rather than something you use continuously. not that that makes sense, but it makes more sense than the alternative

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.



It's the chocobo theme meets the Palmtree Panic music from Sonic CD with constant random non-musical noise added - slide whistles, squeaky toys, children babbling, cartoon owl hoots, you name it, it's here.

Escape Goat
Jan 30, 2009


Well I guess that's one way to remove the song stuck in my head

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo



this sounds like what toons from looney tunes hear in their head constantly at all times and that's why they are so crazy

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad


The Great Twist

What distinguishes a mystery dungeon from a regular roguelike? I like the idea of a coop roguelike, there aren't a ton of them out there.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009


John Lee posted:

Two problems:

It removes the card collecting and battling minigame, which isn't related to the meat of the game but it WAS pretty fun, and playing co-op changes the music inescapably to this horror:

https://youtu.be/M4ZQ3LvxW9E?t=20

loving majestic.

Snake Maze
Jul 13, 2016

3.85 Billion years ago
  • Having seen the explosion on the moon, the Devil comes to Venus


A Strange Aeon posted:

What distinguishes a mystery dungeon from a regular roguelike? I like the idea of a coop roguelike, there aren't a ton of them out there.

Nothing in particular, they're generally built using the same mechanics so they have a recognizable feel to them but they're all regular roguelikes.

Chocobo has coop but it's not really designed around it - in normal gameplay you can have an AI helper who moves and attacks automatically, and has one special skill they can use on command. In coop mode player 2 controls them but player 1 is still the only one with inventory access and a full skill list, and player 2 can't leave the screen p1 is on.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.


A Strange Aeon posted:

What distinguishes a mystery dungeon from a regular roguelike? I like the idea of a coop roguelike, there aren't a ton of them out there.

Very little. Shiren the Wanderer is literally just a traditional roguelike but Japanese and with graphics.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



A Strange Aeon posted:

What distinguishes a mystery dungeon from a regular roguelike? I like the idea of a coop roguelike, there aren't a ton of them out there.
It's a subgenre/brand. Mystery dungeon games, the majority of which are developed by Spike Chunsoft, are roguelikes which feature
- full animated graphics
- a control scheme adapted for consoles--for example, rather than pressing an arrow key to attack, you press an arrow key to face the enemy and then a button to attack
- (In most cases) Many dungeons, and full metaprogression between dungeons--you keep level, items, etc. upon loss or clear
- Various stock mechanics, items, etc.

Co-op isn't a standard feature.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009




John Lee posted:

Two problems:

It removes the card collecting and battling minigame, which isn't related to the meat of the game but it WAS pretty fun, and playing co-op changes the music inescapably to this horror:

https://youtu.be/M4ZQ3LvxW9E?t=20

That seems like such an obvious toggle in an options screen.

This makes me think of the dreadful music in Tokyo Jungle which had no music volume slider and it really hurt an otherwise interesting little roguelite game.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

oh ar


Deathstate is also on Switch and it's extremely good!

Terminally Bored
Oct 31, 2011



And Neurovoider, which is good but not great.

The Silver Snail
Apr 2, 2010




Atomicrops is on the Switch and I actually prefer it to Gungeon in the twin-stick roguelite category, although I will warn you that it gets extremely hectic. Gungeon is more polished but I find Atomicrops' loop of fighting for farm upgrades to net more harvest money to buy better guns to better protect your farm very compelling. It's on sale right now.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

look-
a post,


oh yeah i should go back to it i got it back when it was early acess and was waiting for more updates

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

W E L C O M E T O M Y C U S T O M T I T L E ! ! !


Plaster Town Cop

Shiren seems to place a unique emphasis on item management and upgrades. i seem to recall that bringing an upgraded sword to the end of the main dungeon was pretty drat important.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



yeah i would say that the distinguishing feature of a "mystery dungeon" is a persistent framing world around the dungeon(s). not metaprogression in the sense of bonus stats or item unlocks, but the ability to preserve some items for a later run.

this has sort of blurred over time as western roguelikes started using this feature - Dungeonmans is, in some sense, a mystery dungeon. meanwhile, some games labeled mystery dungeon have delved far deeper into the metaprogression in ways that take them into roguelite territory, like the pokemon ones.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee


Now youíve got me stuck thinking about a PokeMans crossover

pointsofdata
Apr 25, 2011



I'd play an actual pokemon roguelike

GreyjoyBastard
Mar 28, 2010


Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.





This thread reminded me to pick In Celebration Of Violence back up and it's real good now, got my first endboss clear.

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny


LordSloth posted:

Now youíve got me stuck thinking about a PokeMans crossover

pointsofdata posted:

I'd play an actual pokemon roguelike

are you people loving with me? pokemon mystery dungeon has been a thing for years

pointsofdata
Apr 25, 2011



LordSaturn posted:

are you people loving with me? pokemon mystery dungeon has been a thing for years

I meant something that was pretty faithful to the normal pokemon combat etc, although mystery dungeon does look closer than I thought

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



pointsofdata posted:

I meant something that was pretty faithful to the normal pokemon combat etc, although mystery dungeon does look closer than I thought

roguelike structure + jrpg combat is one of the big holes in the genre, imo. are there any actual standalone games that do it? the ancient cave in lufia 2 is literally the closest thing i can think of.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee


LordSaturn posted:

are you people loving with me? pokemon mystery dungeon has been a thing for years

Apparently yes, I am. I was just making a wordplay based off of DungeonmAns. With an A. There would be a PikaMans, and a MewMans, and a ChariMans, and now Iíve been forced to run a joke that started dead further into the ground. Iím no ComediMan. And oh god this has gone sour. Iíll leave the mans jokes to mad jack

Duderclese
Aug 30, 2003
I'm the gay younger brother of UnkleBoB and Buddha Stalin


GreyjoyBastard posted:

This thread reminded me to pick In Celebration Of Violence back up and it's real good now, got my first endboss clear.

Just wanted to say this thread inspired me to purchase this game on steam. It is 100% my poo poo. If you're into roguelikes with little to no explanation it's just wonderful. :3

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.


Anybody ever played Barony? Saw it free on Epic Games, so I picked it up. It's like a first person real-time fantasy Roguelike. I've only touched the training trials so far, but game seems pretty polished.

bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

Love and Anger


Wish I'd known about In Celebration of Violence in March, when it was on sale for $0.95.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee


Jeza posted:

Anybody ever played Barony? Saw it free on Epic Games, so I picked it up. It's like a first person real-time fantasy Roguelike. I've only touched the training trials so far, but game seems pretty polished.

Iíve played it. Iíve only a few words for you.

loving Minotaur. Boulder Trap?

Any questions?

I do actually have other things to say, but Iím going for the throwaway joke because it is also the best part of watching someone else play this game.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.


I grabbed Barony from the EGS freebie too, did a few of the trials and then went to try the game actual. Didn't even get through the first floor on my first two attempts. The game seems quite cool and has some interesting systems for sure, but the fighting seems tediously excessively punishing on first impression. Even what seem like the most basic enemies will kill you in a few hits, and they attack pretty fast. And I was playing the Warrior who should be the toughest character out of the gate.

It does have co-op, which might be pretty interesting to try.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.


Nordick posted:

I grabbed Barony from the EGS freebie too, did a few of the trials and then went to try the game actual. Didn't even get through the first floor on my first two attempts. The game seems quite cool and has some interesting systems for sure, but the fighting seems tediously excessively punishing on first impression. Even what seem like the most basic enemies will kill you in a few hits, and they attack pretty fast. And I was playing the Warrior who should be the toughest character out of the gate.

It does have co-op, which might be pretty interesting to try.

Yeah, seems quite tough. Even in the Trials, block into attack into block seems difficult to pull off regularly. Or maybe it's just old man reactions. I figured I'll go into ranged, but often enemies take a lot of pummelling and backpedalling is not much of an option. Bit early to give a verdict though.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Barony is tons of fun and if you can get out of the early game super-weak stage the fights become slightly less punishing. They're always somewhat dangerous especially if you get caught by surprise but you'll eventually reach a point where you don't feel like every single engagement is likely to end your life.

LordSloth
Mar 7, 2008

Disgruntled (IT) Employee


My primary piece of advice for Barony is travel light. It's very easy to let encumbrance build up to dangerous levels since you don't get your typical clearly delineated status effect.

Especially if you have the Minotaur turned on, it makes a huge difference if you shed a bit of weight from time to time.

I've pretty much entirely given up on blocking, I'm just no good at the timing. I've found other ways to survive.

aas Bandit
Sep 28, 2001
Oompa Loompa


Nap Ghost

Edit: I'm a dumbass and posted this in response to someone looking for Switch games and misread. Leaving it anyway, since more people need to play these.

I'm sure I've mentioned both of these before in this thread, and I really don't understand why they don't get more attention because they're both kind of awesome, especially if you're a first-person fan.
Both of them are old-school dungeon crawlers and also basically created by one person, which kind of blows my mind every time it happens. Both of them are also procedural, and the procedural part seems to be done pretty well, without a lot of the jank you often see when you go down that road.

Delver is no longer in early access, but I believe (?) the dev is still tweaking things. It has an old-school crunchy pixels kinda feel to it. I managed to beat it a couple of years ago, but it's had a lot of lovin' since then and I need to get back into it again.



Slasher's Keep is still early access, but very playable right now--there's a bit of min/max metaprogression that you can do, and the first real sticking point (for me at least) is the boss a few levels in. I've gotten nuked so far upon reaching that boss, but I'm getting closer to taking it down. The graphics have a cool cartoon animation feel to them and are more modern feeling than Delver.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



I picked up Delver when it came out of early access, but it kept crashing on me so I refunded it. Didn't even get to play it long enough to really get a feel for it.

aas Bandit
Sep 28, 2001
Oompa Loompa


Nap Ghost

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

I picked up Delver when it came out of early access, but it kept crashing on me so I refunded it. Didn't even get to play it long enough to really get a feel for it.

I've never had any crashing issues?

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FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009




Delver has always been a bit unstable for me. After EA there was a long period where the game would just insta crash when launching and doing the usual stuff wouldn't help. Another patch just disabled all sound completely. Eventually further patches fixed everything but we're talking months of the game being broken (for me at least). It's a cool game so I just shrug when its being funky. It has some fun mods too.

I thought Slasher's Keep was super thin content wise. The combat system has some cool ideas but 30-40 mins in I was already getting bored so I refunded.

I've never heard anyone talk about Drawngeon which is another clever first person roguelike and also a bit thin content wise but it was also incredibly cheap when I bought it.

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