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Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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It's a pretty good game, but the developer has left a bad taste in most goons mouths, so it doesn't get much press here.

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Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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andrew smash posted:

more caves of qud

As a nuddie PornRL!

:pervert:

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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I do not like games. Qud is not a game, it is a life style.

The 4 player co op rogue like is really cool, but please don't let it get in the way of me giving you guys this horde of water in exchange for Steam Qud. Thank you.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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I wish I could pay to play with that CoQ.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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It's pronounced Cock.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Batteries?



No problem here.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Yeah it is. One of these days I'll get around to making a gif where that pans down to the emoticon mood indicator and shakes it up to a :DDD.

The power systems in cataclysm are kind of fun. Running things off of UPS's, or your own bionic power, or through rechargeable batteries via a car can be a lot of fun. Hopefully they'll eventually work in the vehicle power systems into constructions, and we can start powering homes and such.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Cataclysm is a sandbox RL. It'll never offer you the same experience as Crawl, or any other goal orientated RL. As such, it's a bit all over the place, and you really have to make your own fun. However, it's probably the best sandbox out there for the sort of people that will deliberately take sub optimal choices and see where it goes.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Usually the stuff that's broken gets posted on the Git and fixed. A lot of changes and rewrites does leave a lot of stuff broken though, I'll agree. Never got the complaints about guns, though. More guns is more fun, people might as well complain about all the knives, swords, and armor options as well.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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drat, ran out of tries from steam. Also the not abel and the ecs one are already snagged by someone it seems.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Jalumibnkrayal posted:

It's the end of April where is my CoQ?

Unmoral hired some cockhead to tell him that we needed to be CoQteased more for better sales and publicity.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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That game looks amazing, but this pay more for early access is the worst thing ever.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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agreed. innovation is bad in any medium and all games should be clones of those before them.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

That's a real dumb response to something I never said.

Games should learn from their predecessors. Innovation without knowledge and understanding of what's gone before is just going to repeat old mistakes.

e: That said, taking a closer look at Starward Rogue, it looks more like a relative of Hotline Miami than of Dodonpachi.

innovation happens when people try stuff, experienced or not. people should absolutely try and make things they don't understand. doubly so if it upsets grognards of that particular thing.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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as someone who plays the game rather then makes it I like those odds. not only that, but the outsider works tend to inject new ideas in old musty genres even if they're completely crap.

also people who don't know a particular genre making games doesn't stop the people who do from making their own refined new games as well.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

It's better than not making anything at all, but that's not really the point in contention. Stuff like "cosmetic explosions block out visual tells" is exactly the kind of thing that familiarity with past experimentation would save you from, even if you end up going in a wildly different direction.

The worst-case situation, at least from a player perspectie, isn't "you make a totally crap game and nobody cares." It's that you inject new and interesting features into a game with basic mechanical blunders that suck too much to overlook.

and while I can certinaly see this as being an issue, this isn't what happened here, is it? there's lots of good reviews out for the game, so I doubt any good ideas are going to just disapear.


in fact, I can't think of a game that was so bad that it's mechanically interesting features didn't wind up in some other game at some point, but I'll admit that it could be because the game sucked so bad no one remembers it.

either way, outsider games are good and cool in my book and more should be made.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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rchandra posted:

Ah, Dungeons of Dredmor. Some would also argue this is true of Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Lots of people still put a lot of time playing those games. You guys know it's OK to not like something with out saying it should have never been made.

Hell, I think Dredmor, for it's faults, is one of the reasons we have so many good commercial rogue likes today.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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It's easy for me to get lost in the swarm of colors, but I don't know what the best fix for that would be. I mean, the colors and the pumping music are part of the appeal to me.

Maybe just recoloring the character and making the cross hairs more visible would be a good start.

Either way, definitely relay them the feedback or tell them to come over here. Goons are vitriolic, but it's a pretty constructive vitriol.

Chakan posted:

It was a joke. Most everyone here feels like there were lots of cool things about dredmor but playing the game is tedious.

I'm the baddie.

:smith:

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing. The player, the players robot buddies, and the enemies should all have distinct palates, in addition to the enemy/friendly bullet distinction.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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John Lee posted:

Now, I m a huge Arcen fan, and I can't say a lot of your complaints bother me in particular; they're fair ones.

But really, the music? The guy who does almost all of their music is Pablo Vega, and I almost universally adore his work. poo poo, I have the AVWW and AI War soundtracks, they're great to listen to. Different strokes, I guess?

Very much so. I love me some archen tunes, but I know a lot of people that haaaate them.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Gearhead needs the Cataclysm treatment. It's quirky and wanted enough you'd think fans would pick it up and run with it.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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I've bought that game so many times when I've lost my info over the years, so having it on steam would be nice.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Thanks for sharing these economic write ups, it's always nice to actually see how all the numbers fall.

Hmm, I wonder if it's the same bunch of neurons that lets me enjoy ASCII games that makes me enjoy reading technical posts? Either way, I look forward to reading the 1.0 postmortem in the future!

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Lampsacus posted:

The insane guy who uploaded high production videos of him clocking UMoria has been doing it again. GMoria speedruns here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCOL223C1jUmIzTPQQ9_yY-g

I haven't watched the early vids so I'm not sure what he means by Speedruns. Possibly he is trying to ascend quickly.

I'm getting an error on your link.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Seconding wasted having some variety adding DLC, or an expansion that takes place in the post apocalyptic 90's with pogs for currency that happens after the ending.

I'm a bit flustered with it because on my second run through to get the ending achievements I got a slienced lubbed emma grand from the courier run and then wasted it 10 minutes later on the first cooler. Arrrrgh!

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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BexGu posted:

How is Sublevel Zero if I loved Descent growing up?

Sub level zero is a pretty great Descent game, clean graphics, good music, and the procedural generated levels keep runs fresh. I liked it a lot.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Cosmetic loot crates that drop csgo style. Keys for a dollar, or you can sacrifice the amulet of yendor for a key instead of ascending.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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lordfrikk posted:

I finally want to buy Approaching Infinity on Steam, wasn't the guy's contract supposed to expire by now?

Is he the guy who made the really pricey prospector style space Rogue?

Wasn't he all for how pricy it was for dumb reasons like physical disks and crap?

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Qud was my Cataclysm before Cataclysm, you'll like it.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Walk into Joppa, steal everyone blind, beguile a vine farmer and then DESCEND INTO THE DEPTHS UNTIL YOU DIE.

Only the proest of strats.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Stairmaster posted:

Are there any other good military based rogue likes like armored commander?

Halo 5.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Combine it with the light foot booze and you're super fast until explosions chain fling you against the wall or you run into the SOB's minigun fire.

Has there been any updates to Wasted recently, I played it religiously over the summer, but kinda burned out.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Sadly my attempt at hunger clock ended YASD. Just couldn't find any food donations, and waited too long to get on it. That said, it was a wonderful thing and did get me to think about things. I hope you try it again next year!

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Hey, Madjackmcmad, I spanked a southern gentlemans so hard that his health went below zero. Is there any save or log I should send you to help track down this bug, or am I just a mystical div0 mans?



Great game, by the way. Wish I got it sooner!

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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Really making me want to get back into wasted. I want to give you sage advice and really I've forgotten how to articulate it. Cover is super important, as is the general roguelike advice of always being paranoid about doors and corners. Stealth helps too, making engagements when you want them is important.

Maybe I'll stream a new save run or something.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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ToxicFrog posted:

I should probably be using stealth more than I am (which is not at all) -- it feels like the game strongly discourages using stealth, since it's always slower than run-and-gun, and the SOB timer pressures you to go fast all the time. And in the early floors, the fact that this exposes you to more damage is a non-issue because medical patches are so ridiculously common.

Then in the second block of floors the medical supplies dry up and the third block introduces enemies that can take off a third of your health without giving you a chance to react, so I clearly need to adjust my tactics. :(

Yeah, you can actually be pretty quick about it. I'm gonna fire up my stream and do a few new saves in Wasted, but you can definitely outrun or kill the SOB easy when you've got a handle on things.

https://www.twitch.tv/killeroflawyers

If anyone wants to watch, I'll be diving right in. I don't stream often, so it's not a very professional team, just me hopefully bringing beef, booze, and bullets.

Edit: Done for now. How's about some Wasted advice.

The SOB isn't really as scary as you think. Any room you can double back in with cover you can use to run past him. Also leaving a trip mine or two near the start will probably cripple his walk speed, so do that if you have trouble.

The exit is never behind a locked door. Locked doors, depending on how strong the lock is, makes the enemies harder, but has better loot. So early on it's a good way to get good loot if you think you can jank it.

The first cooler isn't great at all in terms of loot. You're better off just running straight through it to start.

The low level boozes are a lot of newbie traps. The one that makes people explode? Tons of fun, will kill you quick though! The one that makes you light on your feet? You'll get chain stunned by rapid fire weapons.

You don't need to always be sneaking, it's basically a randomized fallout dungeon generator, treat it as such. Run to doors, crouch, open them, ambush people, then go back to running.

If anyone else has any trouble with the game, just ask and I can probably give advice. So far tonight I managed to make it without any booze to the junkdogs cooler, then died a lot carelessly. drat, I love that game though, good to see other people playing it, still hold out hope that more like it or sequel gets made with more stuff to do in it.

Killer-of-Lawyers fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Dec 3, 2016

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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I forget where the cowboy hat drops, but the power armor you can get easily, just kill the SOB after he comes after you in a level.

Lost and found only works for the purple items, like the bikini, or the groin guard.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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ToxicFrog posted:

"just" kill the 500HP minigun-wielding hatefucker.

Right.

It's not hard. You can even melee the guy if you want. Find rooms you can double back, get sneak attacks on him, use landmines, and unload on him. He's not as tough as you think.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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madjackmcmad posted:

There are tiles and you only get one life so it is a roguelike. It is not a roguelike. http://ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-37/?action=preview&uid=5448

Please do not superposition the thread, being both a live and a dead cat at once violates the berlin interpretation.

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Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

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WASTED is a good rogue FPS, out of all I've tried.

Then again, I really like fallout dungeon crawling, so maybe that's why it clicked with me so well.

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