Floodkiller posted:

The LP Megathread has a playthrough of the tutorial if you wanted to know what was inside of it (well, most of it, it misses the searching/quick move bits due to dying). It also has a winning ultra-ending playthrough if you want to read and learn from it until you don't want to be spoiled anymore.

ZeeToo posted:

There's a few things to help you here! Beyond the links to the LearnDB and the CrawlWiki, it's the dedicated Crawl thread. You can usually get people spectating and offering live advice if you play online and post there to request help, too.

If you're having trouble even managing the very early game, probably try playing a Troll Berserker, and only skill unarmed combat. You'll mulch things fairly effectively, and if you start to think you might be in trouble, press a-a to go berserk and not die.

madjackmcmad posted:

Steam Thanksgiving Sale is happening, I know everyone in here owns 10 copies of Dungeonmans but if your bitch rear end only has like 7 or 8, you can fill the gap for an unprecedented 50% off. That's literally taking food out of my unborn (and unconceived) children's un-mouths, you vultures.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/288120

http://store.steampowered.com/app/288120

link: http://store.steampowered.com/app/288120

madjackmcmad posted:

It's Thanksgiving, so I'll be streaming some Elona on and off all weekend. Playing it every year is the tradition, streaming is new.

https://www.twitch.tv/playdungeonmans

korora posted:

I've done it. Look at my post history for details. Works great.

e: actually I might have posted about it in the Dungeonmans thread, not this one.

e2: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3558729&perpage=40&pagenumber=40#post439769191

lordfrikk posted:

Yeah the limited downloads is definitely something. It's so ridiculous I'm honestly astonished it's actually a thing that still exists in 2015. Why, yes, I want to pay you more so I can actually download a game I bought beyond the standard 10 days.

ToxicFrog posted:

It's a very Sproggi yuletide in these parts, apparently -- I was honouring the Horned One on my laptop, and my wife (who's had Sproggi since I went on a Sproggi/Necrodancer gifting spree earlier this year) is now considering playing that next (it's a tossup between that and Icewind Dale). Then this morning my girlfriend was asking for game recommendations for her tablet and I suggested Sproggiwood on the grounds that it's basically the only tablet game I know, and now she's blown through Ickylolo and is happily getting murdered.

victrix posted:

The levels are generally small enough that you can zip through them pretty quick, and <> quick travel to the up/down stairs, so its fast to go through previously cleared turf.

dis astranagant posted:

Well, it's better than that turd Madjackmcmad was promoting but that's about as much praise as I'll give it.

Jackard posted:

Just beat Brogue for the first time ever. Took me three sittings, I got pretty desperate here and there.

By the endgame I had:

• +1 Waraxe
  
• +1 Charm of Protection
  
• +6 Ring of Wisdom
  
• +3 Ring of Stealth
  
• Staff of Discord 5
  
• Staff of Tunneling 3
  
• Staff of Blinking 3
  
• Staff of Firebolt 3
  
• Staff of Obstruction 3
  
• Staff of Obstruction 2
  
• Wand of Empowerment 0
  

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7QQ6Sdap3aGUDhmNk9VdndKeWM/view?usp=sharing

Poison Mushroom posted:

Vaguely related: My personal Roguelike bogart is auto-explore, and it's a feature I refuse to ever include in Godsrune for one very simple reason:

If your players want to skip through a part of playing your game, it means your game is boring. Autoexplore isn't a feature, it's a lazy patch for fundamental design issues.

madjackmcmad posted:

I shipped Dungeonmans with no auto explore, got some flak for it, but I stuck to my guns. What I did add, after some time, study, and patches, was auto travel to stairs up and down if you've discovered them already. That and a r-click to Move Here for mouse breathers made the game feel much more snappy for people who wanted to spend a lot of time on every nook and cranny in a floor. But what a good thing that is-- if players are exploring every nook and cranny of your dungeons, they must be fun!

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

This sounds like a great idea for any game, honestly. Periodically checkpoint the player by some significant accomplishment, and give them all the items and experience they missed en route to said checkpoint. Managed to sneak past all the monsters? Congratulations, you get credit for "killing" them anyway! Rocked through the dungeon and stomped the boss's face? Here's all the items you ignored, so you can personally verify that they're the total crap you suspected they were! And from a game design standpoint, such a system would mean that you'd have a much firmer idea of how strong characters are, since it ought to be determined simply from how many dungeons they've cleared (plus a fiddle factor from explored-but-uncleared dungeons).

Awesome! posted:

its not his fault your brains make you do dumb things like this

Awesome! posted:

you have a weird definition of optimal

Awesome! posted:

i dont have a problem with that statement in itself. i have a problem when it implies that the optimal way of playing is grinding

Awesome! posted:

if you are getting bored clearing one single level in a dungeon just go play a different game man i dont even know why we are having this conversation

madjackmcmad posted:

Is wonky at best, as levels have respawns that will show up even after you've cleared out all the loots and opened every door. The dungeon is never supposed to be safe, though once you outclass a floor of enemies it's about as safe as it can be. You can fight monsters on a floor forever if you believe in yourself, and grind them out until your level up to the point where they all offer zero xp. That's pretty extreme, but it fits your definition of optimal.

What drives most players forward is a combined feeling that they are easily crushing the monsters on this floor, desire better loot, and feel ready to move on. A minority of players would balk at this, saying that these values are not quantifiable so therefore they are useless to calculating the most optimal gameplay.

Should you choose to pick the game up again,

1) Take advantage of auto-travel to explored stairs!
2) Trust your heart, beating with stremf, and see past your fears of leaving a few coppers or a handful of extra swords behind.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I was going to mention Crawl but back when I played it was more of a lopsided U-shaped difficulty curve where the early game was bullshit that would frequently kill you with no recourse, the mid-game was a breeze, and then around dlvl:22 or so it starts getting more difficult and genuinely challenging until finally topping out with stuff that gets slightly unfair again -- like summon + smite combo Pan Lords and angel rooms in Ziggurats.

That was also like thirteen versions ago, though.

Geokinesis posted:

Has your mum turned up yet?

Angry Diplomat posted:

I really, really like the unique flavour and playstyle of the different armies, and the High Cultist army absolutely nails theirs - at first they don't seem like a huge threat, just this weird swimming mage with a modest band of lovely underlings and a mildly annoying proficiency for taking out small numbers of elite troops. Then, slowly but surely, things start to get really strange. Troops change sides halfway through a battle and remain faithfully loyal to the lunatic in the fish mask. Villages and farms all along the coast have been going silent one by one, all contact suddenly lost, all tithes and trade halted. When a major port suddenly goes quiet, troops are sent to investigate. Of the handful that return, only one is coherent enough to speak. He rambles about enormous crabs and armies from the deep, burning-bright stars seen on sunny days and veteran soldiers turning on one another. There are more and more of the strange fish-cultists with every passing season. Most are easily dispatched, but they can cause a lot of havoc with their weird magics, and the grotesque half-human creatures they command are unsettling, to say the least. No one seen hide nor hair of the masked lunatic that began it all. A war party sallies forth to seek out the cult's stronghold, but is intercepted and destroyed by an army of babbling madmen, all clad in ragged uniforms from a half-dozen different kingdoms, driven forward by the same robed maniacs screaming in the same hideous tongues. Where do they keep coming from? And where is the one in the fish mask?

Then one day the masked lunatic resurfaces, coming ashore near an important iron mine. There are no reports of ships or swimming, no magical water-walking or amphibious mounts. Apparently, the cultist simply walked onto the shore, flanked by a panoply of aquatic life. The messenger seems intensely frightened as she describes this. She has been having strange dreams of late. There has been no word from the mine or any of the surrounding villages since she arrived. Another war party is sent. It vanishes altogether, and scouts later report seeing most of its number working the mines or patrolling the surrounding region in fish masks. The scouts' last communiqué is hasty, fragmented, and filled with disturbing talk of "hungry trees" and "star people."

When the masked prophet comes to the stronghold, the very sight of the army that follows drives many of the defenders mad. The sky splits open and stars stare down like eyes. Trusted soldiers scream in tongues and turn on one another. Veteran commanders claw their own eyes out and leap from the walls. Meteors fall from the heavens. A hulking terror with too many limbs and no face raises its warped hands on high and mouthlessly bellows in a language that hurts to listen to; one of the knights charging the thing is simply unmade, horse and all, leaving nothing behind but a fading scream and a lingering sense of horrifying wrongness. The masked one laughs exultantly. "It is time! It is time!"

Sage Grimm posted:

Be forewarned, you will be auto-killed once you reached the elevator after a certain level because the dev didn't want to let players continue indefinitely dicking around with the random towns people. <>

Unimpressed posted:

Rogue like devs are the worst.

PleasingFungus posted:

PleasingFungus posted:

i know, i was messing around.

love y'all too. killing players is how we show we care

dis astranagant posted:

Unless they figured out something in the couple years since I played it tends to bog down into which team picked the most dragons with the best bless.