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Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

The stand-alone opening chord is a universe. The sound of multiple vocalists screaming out the words betrays an on-stage good time rolling. Garcia’s mountainous arpeggios—using a deeply metallic guitar tone—are a study in Sturm und Drang naturalism; while the hanging pause on which the players reunite is big-band tightness exemplified. A perfect vehicle when secondary drummer Mickey Hart joined in 1967, here the closing jam’s leap into Kreutzmann/Hart-driven hyperspace is a premonition of future Rhys Chatham/Glenn Branca/Sonic Youth punk-jazz explosions. Strap the gently caress in!

loooooooooool noooooooo

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Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


saw a pretty solid cover band last night, they put on a great show for jerry day. obviously they can play, but their harmonies were really incredible, all had great voices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31NBTg4UFj4

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Went back to read the first page of this thread again on a lark and to dig out some more shows, and was loling at all the bobby poo poo talking. made me think of this video of his isolated guitar from a show in '89 that i saw about a month ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLV-73VF6Tg

it kind of sounds like one of those old gag videos of rock bands concert videos being overdubbed by terrible musicians. BUT at the same time i think there's something genius to how sparse his playing is, that's the kind of rhythm playing you need in a 6 piece band

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


also double post but i still think my absolute favorite hunter lyrics are dark star. so beautiful and evocative and simple

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


watched "Anthem to Beauty" on amazon prime the other night. covered a lot of the same ground as Long Strange Trip but still enjoyable to watch. Loved this clip from Hunter talking about writing Ripple, Brokedown, and To Lay Me Down in a moment of inspiration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlVEH5r06A#t=53s

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Laserface posted:

never really listened to the Dead before but this video exposed me to them for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6XyzhH93JU (which is a cool video in and of itself if you're into snow sports)

I really love the style of songs in this video, particularly brown eyed women and new speedway boogie. What else should I be checking out to follow that path?

for what its worth I managed to find the version of Brown eyed women used in the video: Tivoli concert hall denmark 1972.

have checked out the albums those songs appear on and been left wanting a bit more.

I'm not as much of an expert of some fo the other folks here, but there are a few major eras to be aware of with the dead that might help you find stuff that scratches your itch

early years, ~'67-71. Sound was similar to lots of other hippie acts of the bay area in the late 60s, lots of R&B/blues/folk covers, and acid freakout noise jams. dark star, st stephen, china cat sunflower are among some of the most classic and representative songs from this era

'72-74. lots of new material, really developing the cowboy psychedelic country rock sound with the albums American Beauty & Workingman's Dead capturing this sound & themes quite well as far as dead studio albums go. Their keys/harp/singer Pigpen died and their new keys player was more classically and jazz trained, so also started to see some jazzier influence in the new material towards the later end here, as covered on the albums Wake of the Flood and Blues for Allah. The Euro 72 tour really captures how these songs evolved live, and cool to imagine a lot of these shows at relatively small venues. Veneta OR 72 show is also highly regarded. Based on your song choices, I think you'd do well to explore this era, look for Dick's Picks releases and start there

'74-76. i forget the exact dates but they went on hiatus for a bit

'77-80. Many consider '77 their peak, had built a big catalog of songs that they'd mastered, musicianship was tight, jerry had developed a diverse range of tones, the flow & segues between songs was smoother, jams were sounding more cohesive with the whole band playing off each other, etc. The Cornell 5/8/77 show in particular is probably the most hyped single show, and it's an undeniably great show. i feel like scarlet begonias -> fire on the mountain is a great encapsulation of what the band was capable of here

80s and 90s. you're asking the wrong guy. i pretty quickly lose interest in their material and shows here. some people swear by it, but for me it just doesn't have the same energy as the 60s & 70s, and i think jerry's vocals deteriorate pretty noticeably, which is a shame because i think jerry sounds like a tortured cowboy dusty angel when he's on

also i don't know if you listen to a lot of recordings of live shows in general, but i personally feel like listening to audience recordings of shows really benefits from listening LOUD AS gently caress to be able to appreciate the fullness and power of the sound. can be hard to appreciate how fuckin hard they were going when you listen on dinky laptop or phone speakers to a show that hasn't been mastered or mixed in any way that approaches your average studio album

on a semi related note i just found this while digging thru YT for early dead shows and it's pretty drat cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbzmRBU6Lg

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Brent's playing is good but I hate his voice and casio tones soooooo much it's basically insurmountable for me

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Arms_Akimbo posted:

I'm not sure how anybody can listen to that red rooster I posted and not like Brent's vocals

I dunno taste is a funny thing i guess. he sounds like Will Arnett doing an impression of an awful buttrock singer or something like that

In all fairness I used to absolute DESPISE Phish and in particular couldn't stand Page's voice, even though I knew he was probably the technically best singer in the band. Many years later and they're my favorite band and I love Page's voice, so maybe I'll become a Brent fan in the future (very much doubt it though i hateeeeeee him)

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


These shows are very good

https://youtu.be/mY0WJQsZcxk

https://youtu.be/GCu_3hK4Xrc

https://youtu.be/onIhMLksUoY

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


I’ve been listening to a lot of Old & In The Way lately. I’m not usually a big bluegrass fan but I’m mostly put off by newgrass and haven’t listened to a lot of more traditional stuff. I do very much enjoy this and Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band so perhaps I should check out more.

Enjoy this cover much more than the original. Jerry with the voice of a fallen cowboy angel on the very last line
https://youtu.be/VA35Oozc8NM

Also this Peter Rowan/Tony Rice version of Midnight Moonlight is so good
https://youtu.be/T_ognFy10tI

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


I actually meant to post this version of the wild horses cover, much better IMO

https://youtu.be/VA35Oozc8NM

Also this is a little sloppy but love a brisk tempo shakedown and the energy is infectious. Kimock coming with that quiet intensity

https://youtu.be/U1VvopWKEZI

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


me your dad posted:

Do the Dead have any super spacey mellow songs? I'm thinking something like this, which is tangential to the Dead, but I would like more and it seems like they would have been great at this style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZF1mK3-rA

this might be an unpopular answer but there has never been a better band at improvised spacey mellow songs than phish

here's a mix of some of these jams from various shows, and the description lists the individual songs/shows they're pulled from if you want to explore those at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rveNbbQaGRU

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Got a new av a couple weeks ago :drum:

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Anyone watching this Grateful Shred stream? :parrot:

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

The Grateful Dead were really good. It’s too bad Jerry couldn’t get clean and stay clean. They could still be touring. At the time it seemed like they had been touring forever, but looking back now it was kind of a short run. Phish has already passed them and they’ll keep playing for years. Springsteen did it longer and he’s probably not done. Plenty of bands who do big touring schedules like they did have passed them or will soon. Like dumb jam bands like String Cheese and Moe have been around for over 20 years. They’ll outlast the Dead. I don’t even want to jinx it but Dylan’s been touring for just about 60 years and he was doing over 100 dates a year not that long ago.

Edit- saying it’s “too bad “Jerry couldn’t get clean is stupid, it’s tragic he couldn’t get clean. He was wonderful.

My counterfactual fantasy would be Jerry getting clean but pivoting away from the Dead and just playing smaller acoustic/bluegrass shows into old age. Jerry dying is a tragedy for sure, but not because it robbed of us another 20 years of Dead shows IMO

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

I had more fun at DGQ shows than just about any concerts I can think of. He could have joined.

Absolutely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Be8eDb_kY

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Hot take: the debut of He’s Gone is the best version of the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOTWLpSUBM8

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Also I didn’t know the song was written by hunter as a slight on Mickey hart’s dad who embezzled money from the dead as their manager, but then a year later it became known as a memorial tribute to pigpen. Interesting history

https://deadessays.blogspot.com/2019/09/hes-gone.html?m=1

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

Wonder if Phil gave his donor rap to the kids

Phil was definitely bogarting the manischewitz

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1461380201506607106?s=20

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


[Me to my wife every 5 minutes while watching Get Back] someone should’ve turned the beatles onto the dead, that’d’ve solved all their problems

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Noise Machine posted:

Paul supposedly has a home movie made of the dead that's never been released before

Huh, learn something new! Referring to this? https://relix.com/blogs/detail/happy_birthday_to_paul_mccartney_undercover_deadhead/

Also, lol:

quote:

Interestingly, for all of their overlap Weir and Macca didn’t share the stage until a 2016 show at Boston’s Fenway Park.

First, Weir koined McCartney for a performance of Wings’ “Hi hi hi,” and then, in one of music’s weirder moments (see what I did there?), McCartney, Weir and New England Patriots star Rob Gronkowski performed “Helter Skelter.”

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Llyr posted:

I got so deep into the Dead this year. I was listening to so many complete shows that I decided to start a spreadsheet to keep track. So far 77, 72 & 71 are my favourite years.

share some of your favorite shows plz

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


hatelull posted:

Since I brought this back to life for a few, please entertain my idle curiosity.

I’d guess I listen to live stuff about 2-3x more often than studio. Mostly dick’s picks from the 60s til ~78, every now and then an 80s show, almost never a 90s show.

I like some or all of their albums from the 70s, and also like their s/t a lot.

JGB has some great shows, I think the “after midnight” Kean college show is a good entry point. Always love to hear JGB do some jimmy Cliff covers and also catfish John

Also a big fan of Jerry’s various acoustic side projects, like JGAB and Old and in the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xQD_GDU8s0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsLcqfDG2KE

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

I listened to American beauty last week and it’s very nice. Also, the absolute best help/slip/Franklins is the studio version. It’s usually sloppy one way or another live.

AB is a wonderful album, imo by far their best. Re-posting this clip of Hunter talking about some inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlVEH5r06A#t=53s

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004




Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


HenryJLittlefinger posted:

One More Saturday Night is the worst Dead song.

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a Tennessee Jed that went anywhere or made me pay attention. And they played that song a LOT.

But passenger is a pretty bad song by almost any standard.

The extended solo part where they modulate a few times can be really kick rear end if Jerry’s hitting the changes well. There’s a few good versions through Europe 72, I’m partial to the Rheinhalle 4/24 version

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


DrVenkman posted:

what can be a bit of a filler song

call ramble on rose a filler song again. do it

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


trem_two posted:

My take on 4/11/72 is that almost everything is solid but not exceptional, but then Comes A Time and Brokedown Palace both grabbed me near the end of the show. In addition to Jerry really nailing it on those two songs, Pig and Keith are complementing each other nicely.

I guess I’m always a sucker for those “Jerry does a somber song after the monster set 2 jam” choices, like when it’s Stella Blue or Morning Dew or something.

Agreed. Loved the brokedown, Jerry’s vox on point

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Bobby’s screams at the end of 4/11 sugar magnolia were epic. Legend has it that little Richard himself taught him how to wail like that

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

Help>Slip>Kiss On My List

Loling at the thought of 80s Jerry singing this

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

Brent’s keyboard tone is basically identical

Now I’m imagining Brent singing it and not laughing anymore

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I think 5/3 might be the best Rider I've heard yet. Harmonies are tight, Jerry's lead parts are wild and free, Billy has a great pocket the whole way through, tasteful little fills. I mean I've listened to Europe '72 a bunch and heard this version 50 times but never with several successive days of it leading up. It's pretty clear why it was picked for the official album. This new perspective is cool.

Yeah the harmonies really stand out immediately imo, some of the best harmonizing i've ever heard them do on any song, let alone rider

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Good Mr Charlie from 5/26. Great R&B music they dont make it like this anymore

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


BigFactory posted:

I think Jerry Garcia was a good singer and guitar player.

This takes courage. Thank you

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


Can't go wrong with the version from Live/Dead, 2/27/69

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Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004



lmfao

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