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Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
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Grimey Drawer

Speaking of songs I miss Rebecca Sugar's uke songs on this show.

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Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

In Rodd We Trust!


The first time I heard him belt out "OH MARCELINE! Why are you so MEAN?"
It touched me somehow, and now I throw that episode on just when I'm cleaning up my apartment because it gets me to move faster when I need a boost. Also because I LOVE the line "an angry cloud man and his beautiful cloud bride". The only other song that even comes close to hitting my heart strings is "A tough 'tootin' baby".

Speaking of that song, I rewatched all of the Flame Princess episodes and I really thought her reaction to Finn and Jake's bet after he ruined her dinner party is proof positive that she and Finn were meant to be.

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.


MojoKingBee posted:

Yeah, I guess that's pretty on par for puberty and general teenage awkwardness. I was thinking of it more from a storytelling perspective, when I guess I should look at it from the character's perspective

I'd say it pretty regular storytelling. You get over the dream mate in the course of a relationship but after the break up you return to longing for the old dream mate then quickly realize they're not your dream mate anymore.

If PB had reciprocated and Finn came to the decision anyway it'd basically be the start of the last act in almost every romantic comedy.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

coming like judgment day
i.e. for the second time.


While we're talking about music and the first season, does the tune that plays during the Ice King's "manlorette party" montage have a name? I love that song.

high six
Feb 6, 2010


QuickbreathFinisher posted:

While we're talking about music and the first season, does the tune that plays during the Ice King's "manlorette party" montage have a name? I love that song.

https://soundcloud.com/staypuft/man.../adventure-time
Is this what you're talking about?

TotalBlammBlamm
Apr 13, 2007

Wham bam, thank you ma'am!

Is there a place to get more of the music from the show? Looking in particular for the song that Marceline sings with The Ice King.

As an aside, my daughter just had a sleepover party last night for her 10th birthday. I have never seen so much Adventure Time merchandise in one place in my life! It's like a Hot Topic in here.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011

I am...

EXTREMELY EVIL!


So the Lumpy Space episode is on now, and I think the show should really go back there in a future episode.

But whatever, it's 2013.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Cash Rules Everything Around Me


Grimey Drawer

Waffleman_ posted:

So the Lumpy Space episode is on now, and I think the show should really go back there in a future episode.

But whatever, it's 2013.

If you're talking about Lumpy Space, your quote should read:

"But whatever it's, like, sooooo 2013, guys."

Spiffster
Oct 6, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...

TwoPair posted:

If you're talking about Lumpy Space, your quote should read:

"But whatever it's, like, sooooo 2013, guys."
You sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibuWtaf0N8

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

coming like judgment day
i.e. for the second time.



Yep, thanks!

Say Nothing
Mar 4, 2013

RRG?


Apple Time.



Dr. Chainsaws PhD
May 21, 2011

Fuck medical school!
Let's get drunk and eat chicken fingers!



Say Nothing posted:

Apple Time.





That Tree Trunks sticker has done what 8+ years of Apple ads haven't.

I really want an Apple laptop now.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


I love Adventure Time but sometimes I wonder how it is a kid's show. That episode with the spider couple was kind of inducing.

superjew
Sep 5, 2007

No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!


Famethrowa posted:

I love Adventure Time but sometimes I wonder how it is a kid's show. That episode with the spider couple was kind of inducing.

It's like Ren and Stimpy for me. When I was a kid some episodes were just wacky, but I recently watched some that had a whole new meaning now that I'm older.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


superjew posted:

It's like Ren and Stimpy for me. When I was a kid some episodes were just wacky, but I recently watched some that had a whole new meaning now that I'm older.

My mom wouldn't let me watch Ren and Stimpy so I doubt she would have let me watch Adventure Time

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



I always thought Ren and Stimpy was horribly disgusting as a kid, and I'm glad Adventure Time doesn't follow the same roads.

Pyzza Rouge
Jun 25, 2011

La Mano de Dios



Yeah I showed some earlier episodes to kids a while back but I don't think I'd be comfortable doing so in the present. This season definitely has a minimum age which I wouldn't have said about earlier seasons. I was really sensitive as a kid so my spectrum may be skewed, however.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
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Grimey Drawer

Ren & Stimpy blazed some unprecedented roads as far as sneaking adult jokes into a kid's cartoon goes, but Adventure Time goes a lot farther by not just going "here, look at a dick" but also exploring some well-thought-out mature adult themes. An episode heavily loaded with symbolism depicting a woman fighting back against chauvinism and unwanted male sexual aggression is something way outside of what I would think of as Kricfalusi's wheelhouse. Adventure Time goes into some Aronofsky/Lynch/Kubrick making-a-thesis-about-the-meaning-of-life territory.

That said, yeah I have to wonder about kids watching the more recent seasons of Adventure Time. In earlier episodes you'd see Jake licking chocolate ice cream coming out of a pod and although you'd get the joke, you could also feel reasonably sure that it would fly over a kid's head.


Lately it's harder to pass off the "dirty" stuff as anything innocent.

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at Aug 26, 2013 around 08:04

Say Nothing
Mar 4, 2013

RRG?


Steve Yun posted:

Lately it's harder to pass off the "dirty" stuff as anything innocent.
I like to think that they've gotten so popular that they can give the finger to the censor and get away with anything.

Mimir
Nov 26, 2012


I just read all of Moynihan's "Forming" comic in like two sittings, and man, that is certainly a comic. It's certainly a pretty comic, and it (and similar stuff) was probably a pretty big influence on Adventure Time even before they hired the guy. Look at the way Pen draws the Ice Kingdom's mountains in the pilot episode, is what I mean.

I re-watched Sons of Mars right after, and it makes much more sense in light of it, because that episode comes from the same mental place that Forming does, but at about 10% power. The whole flying through space in an air cushion without a space-ship thing is done in exactly the same way, the use of historical/mythological characters in redefined roles, the trippy sequences. The grass even looks like it did in the Rhea sequences.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


It just makes me a little sad that as good a show as Adventure Time is, it has to be marketed for kids, even if it doesn't fit the demographic sometimes. It's not quite for kids, but it isn't edgy enough to be an adult cartoon on adult swim, and even still is too weird for Fox and the like.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007

Without me, there is no mission.
I am the mission!


Famethrowa posted:

It just makes me a little sad that as good a show as Adventure Time is, it has to be marketed for kids, even if it doesn't fit the demographic sometimes. It's not quite for kids, but it isn't edgy enough to be an adult cartoon on adult swim, and even still is too weird for Fox and the like.

Don't let them take away the restrictions of being a kid's cartoon. Ren and Stimpy had that restriction taken away, and it was terrible.

That said, this is from the kid's show original run:


(poo poo Youtube screencaps, but the episode is "Ren's Bitter Half" from Season 3 of 5 total seasons. 1994.)

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009




Kids can appreciate and be entertained by quality (voice) acting, quality animation and neat stories. I think you guys are overthinking this.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011

I am...

EXTREMELY EVIL!


Adventure Time is weird sometimes. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN AND THE ADULT PERIPHERY DEMO?

glam rock hamhock
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations Doctor!!!

You're addicted to being powered up!!


Now get in there!



Grimey Drawer

Okay, seriously, what moments are you thinking of that are so blatant that you'd want to keep children away from them. I mean, it's not like this show is really that offensive with what the subtext is indicating and if your kid is getting the subtext, then stopping them from watching the show isn't going to do anything and if they aren't getting the subtext, it will just fly over their heads and they won't even notice anything.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


axleblaze posted:

Okay, seriously, what moments are you thinking of that are so blatant that you'd want to keep children away from them. I mean, it's not like this show is really that offensive with what the subtext is indicating and if your kid is getting the subtext, then stopping them from watching the show isn't going to do anything and if they aren't getting the subtext, it will just fly over their heads and they won't even notice anything.

It's less so much "think of the children" and more that sometimes kids I know don't enjoy certain episodes because they do have such adult themes. It's not necessarily bad, just not quite fitting.

Then again, maybe kids need a little more thought provoking stuff then Doodlebops so what do I know.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Cash Rules Everything Around Me


Grimey Drawer

Steve Yun posted:

Lately it's harder to pass off the "dirty" stuff as anything innocent.

I don't know, I think it's still pretty easy to miss a lot of the time. I've missed plenty of the "dirty" stuff until this thread has informed me that it was dirty and I'm in my 20s, I imagine an actual child could still miss stuff even easier. Or maybe I'm a huge manbaby. Or both!

prahanormal
Mar 8, 2011

Maury deals with real people with real problems. He helps try to solve mysteries of guests who have no where else to turn to get answers.


Lets not forget that John K. is a creepy rear end in a top hat. Most of the reason "uncensored" Ren and Stimpy sucked was because of him.

Plus, looking at Bravest Warriors is a prerty good testimate to what Adventure Time would be like without the constraints of a kids show. They're very similar shows.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



axleblaze posted:

Okay, seriously, what moments are you thinking of that are so blatant that you'd want to keep children away from them. I mean, it's not like this show is really that offensive with what the subtext is indicating and if your kid is getting the subtext, then stopping them from watching the show isn't going to do anything and if they aren't getting the subtext, it will just fly over their heads and they won't even notice anything.

That's why I prefer it to Ren and Stimpy, Ren and Stimpy was pretty vapid children's entertainment with disgusting and grotesque imagery. Adventure Time is really cute and attractive imagery that often hides grotesque subtext. It's more fun to watch and more intellectually stimulating, and also less distressing if you're majorly stoned.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009

Crazy About Boys!


scary ghost dog posted:

That's why I prefer it to Ren and Stimpy, Ren and Stimpy was pretty vapid children's entertainment with disgusting and grotesque imagery. Adventure Time is really cute and attractive imagery that often hides grotesque subtext. It's more fun to watch and more intellectually stimulating, and also less distressing if you're majorly stoned.

This is basically how I feel. Ren and Stimpy also felt like a very pessimistic, cynical show. I enjoy Adventure Time's upbeat spirit, even in the face of what should be grim or depressing concepts.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012



Say Nothing posted:

Apple Time.



Did you make those or buy them? I have a friend who's big into Marceline and Apple.

MojoKingBee
Sep 4, 2011

Everybody, there's a new king in town.

Get ready.


So next week's episode is apparently called "Earth & Water", no description yet. The name implies it might be related to "Frost & Fire", but I honestly don't know who would be earth and who would be water in this case.

Protagorean
May 19, 2013

"I could learn a thing or two about posting from the majestic sloth."


I'm still a bit confused about the moral of "Jake Suit". Finn was abusing the power and privilege of wearing his magical best friend/brother as a suit, and if this was a normal cartoon, when it came time for the role reversal, Finn would have conceded that he was in the wrong after Jake was done teaching him a lesson. This kind of gets turned on its head when, in the course of teaching Finn a lesson, it's Jake that starts turning to Finn's point of view, with Finn just not giving a gently caress about anything thrown at him/he throws himself into, and as soon as Jake starts to acquiesce, Finn tosses both of them into a volcano, and it's only the smoochy nurses that finally give Finn pause. Perhaps the moral is that Finn is an ubermensch of an invincible teenager?

gently caress, the thread's title is perfect. Well, the return of the buff baby song made me cry laughing.

Millions
Sep 13, 2007

Do you believe in heroes?


MojoKingBee posted:

So next week's episode is apparently called "Earth & Water", no description yet. The name implies it might be related to "Frost & Fire", but I honestly don't know who would be earth and who would be water in this case.

FP thinks Finn is a water elemental because he cries and cries all the time, so Finn might be in for some tears this episode if that's what it's referring to. Not sure about the earth part.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Grimey Drawer

From the very beginning this show had a habit of doing the opposite of the typical "moral of the story" cartoon (something I recall being done back as far as Simpsons season 1, maybe even before that, who knows). In Witch's Garden, Jake loses his magical powers and feels remorse over lying and stealing. The instant that the witch grants him his powers back, he punches her and runs off. "Didn't you learn your lesson?" she yells at him, to which he chuckles back "Nope!"

THEN we had an influx of episodes where the "moral of the story" actually became pretty sincere, when they started introducing more complex and sophisticated themes. I think for a while now there's been a mix of "moral of the story" and "the opposite moral of the story"

I think in general if the "moral of the story" is something simple, they tend to turn it on its head. If it's something sophisticated they play it straight.

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at Aug 26, 2013 around 19:57

MojoKingBee
Sep 4, 2011

Everybody, there's a new king in town.

Get ready.


Millions posted:

FP thinks Finn is a water elemental because he cries and cries all the time, so Finn might be in for some tears this episode if that's what it's referring to. Not sure about the earth part.

I think it's implied that FP knows he's human now, especially since she calls him "F the H" in Vault of Bones. Though the water part could still mean tears, like you said.

Gally
May 31, 2001

Come on!


MojoKingBee posted:

So next week's episode is apparently called "Earth & Water", no description yet. The name implies it might be related to "Frost & Fire", but I honestly don't know who would be earth and who would be water in this case.

Earth & Water is also a good description of the state of the Ice Kingdom at the end of F&F.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

Every time I post in the CanPol thread I should be reminded that I really need to seek some professional help.

You can safely ignore me really because until then my posts are worthless, unimportant garbage.


Dude, the moral of "His Hero" was "violence is awesome, punch bad guys!"

Adventure Time doesn't care that much about teaching a lesson, making a funny episode is much better.

Misogynice Job!
Oct 27, 2007

She's a brick----house


Floppychop posted:

Did you make those or buy them? I have a friend who's big into Marceline and Apple.

Would like to know too. Showed the gf the tree trunks one and she fell in love.

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MojoKingBee
Sep 4, 2011

Everybody, there's a new king in town.

Get ready.


I've heard a rumor that Adventure Time might be changing to 7:00 instead of 7:30 in the near future due to a schedule change. Next week looks unchanged, but just keep an eye out.

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