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Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



I think Buck showed some more excitement on air after going on twitter and hearing every single insult ever said about him.

Also, the format of Fox Sports One's news show reminds me of NBC's NFL pregame a few years ago when they let Keith and Dan do the highlights and had a player's lounge for analysis.

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Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



The Prisoner posted:

We were talking about this in the other Sports Journalism thread a few weeks ago and someone (sorry, I can't remember who) brought up that in the ESPN oral history book people in the Post newsroom couldn't tell the difference between early PTI and actual lunchroom arguments Wilbon and Kornheiser were having. Well, except for the lack of swearing.

Yeah, that was me. I don't blame Tony for thinking the show wouldn't work, but then again, that's his gimmick.

chunkles posted:

Is this the thread where we bitch about CSN Houston cause I'm gonna make myself right at home.

We could talk about the future of regional sports networks and the implications of that future for the profitability of MLB/NBA teams in general. But really I just want to watch my loving Rockets on TV.

This probably all boils down to carriage fees. Channel wants x amount per subscriber, provider thinks it's too high. Ever since channels like YES and the Big 10 Network came around it's just gotten ridiculous. For example, take a look at how the Dodgers can pay for all that talent because of their upcoming channel.

e: I mentioned in the other thread Fox Sports 1 might have gotten trouble being on DirecTv/Dish/Time Warner because of the difference in proposed carriage fees. For once, Fox actually caved in. That never happens.

Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 19, 2013

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



With the proliferation of youtube and such I don't think a classic sports network can work anymore. It didn't help that a while back ESPN successfully offered to make ESPNU more available to subscribers at ESPN Classic's expense.

Also, to put in perspective how Sportscenter operates in comparison to Fox Sports 1's show, here's a rundown of what was covered on each show last night in order:

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...a/FS1-ESPN.aspx

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Speaking of breaking ground, ESPN released this video of what their new Sportscenter set is going to look like. It's big

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MVidglMLk

And for those racing people who complained about the end of Speed, this is for you

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013..._medium=twitter

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



I checked the listings and they also have an Aussie game 2:30 Sunday morning. But from the sound of things, they are both meaningless late season games.

Also, there's a couple of NRL Rugby games on that channel, if that means anything.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



I get it on FIOS, and I have the middle package.

CBJSprague24 posted:

Ever wondered how The Worldwide Leader creates and manipulates your favorite NCAA football team's schedule in an attempt to generate money, ratings, hype, and drama?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/s...ref=sports&_r=0

Stanford/Oregon this year, along with the Classics to start the season, are ESPN creations.

It's hard to believe that decades ago tv was only allowed to show a couple of college games a week. This Supreme Court ruling set the stage for all the realignment/contracts we have now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v...iv._of_Oklahoma

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



warheadr posted:

I don't know a whole huge ton about overnights ratings/calculations, even after working in TV for a few years. But I DO know you really don't want a 0.0.

This proves that Fox has a long way to go, if for anything else, the typical person is used to putting on ESPN (and related networks) by default.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



It seems like every tv program now has some sort of twitter reminder. They're just going with the flow.

As for what constituted a 0.0 for the time in question:

Steve Lepore posted:

Last night at 11 ET: SportsCenter - 633,000 viewers, Olbermann - 319,000, FS Live - 44,000. 147,000 of Keith's viewers were in 18-49s.

Fox Sports Live did double its audience to 99,000 at midnight, worth noting.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Wolfy posted:

They have some really big college football games this year, so I assume that's what they're banking on drawing people to the channel. Right now, it's mostly whatever is left of their racing and soccer rights(they still have the Champion's League). I think they get a UFC event every so often, as that is what they opened with.

I would think their big draw right now is UFC programming. They got 1.7 million to watch a card opening night. Next year they split the baseball regular season rights with regular Fox (and will also probably air some playoff games). And starting in 2015 they get the rights to golf's US Open. There's something Gus can do

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



FlamingLiberal posted:

Dan LeBetard's local Miami area radio show is officially going national through ESPN on Oct. 1st

I saw in the press release he still gets a local Miami hour.

I see Jonathan Coachman is out of a daily gig, come back to WWE Coach

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004




He's been doing that a lot lately. He did wrestling and Seinfeld ones:

http://deadspin.com/anchor-inserts-...u-ca-1244605570
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs-kSY-DfJw

In more serious fare, here's Olbermann going after MLB for not allowing the Nationals to wear Navy caps during the game for the Navy Yard shooting victims. For perspective, the shooting took place blocks from the ballpark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVU5Y5h5WB0

Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Sep 18, 2013

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Benne posted:

So NBCSN has cancelled Michelle Beadle's show The Crossover.

If you've never heard of The Crossover, I can't blame you. NBCSN never figured out what to do with the format, shuffling co-hosts and airing it against the 6PM SportsCenter. Beadle herself has complained about the lack of promotion, and last week it got preempted by sailing, of all things.

It's a shame for Beadle--she's really good on TV and I wish NBC would push her more.

That makes me think about how ESPN at this point is bigger than the personalities. For example, I don't think Erin has been talked about as much either ever since she left them for Fox.

And since you brought up sailing, ESPN used to make it a big deal when they had the America's Cup years ago. Some things never change.

e: Here's an article from 1992 about that:

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05..._1_world-series

Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Sep 25, 2013

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Also, Beadle is on far from gracious terms with her former NBCSN co-host. I don't blame her for going back at this point.

As for what I said about Erin:

John Ourand‏@Ourand_SBJ
Source: FS1's Fox College Saturday drew just 50,000 viewers last week -- a number that is on par with a 1am "Macgyver" rerun on Cloo Monday.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



MourningView posted:

To be fair is anything on that channel aside from football and live UFC a draw?

Just like how NBC Sportsnet only has hockey, Olympic stuff when it's on and maybe EPL as draws. That's what happens when only the ESPN channels gets any ratings for non-event stuff.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Crazy Ted posted:

Likely because that filler would have a small, but dedicated, audience.

I've heard of reports saying on certain days those are the highest-rated shows on the network. More obviously, they're holdovers from OLN.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Benne posted:

Kornheiser wore a turkey suit on PTI today





I think that picture speaks for itself, really

I think he wears one every Thanksgiving Eve

For that matter, I enjoyed this year's turkeys more than the typical c'mon man these days

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



So we're less than 2 months away from the Winter Olympics. And with it comes the usual complaints about not showing stuff live in America. However, this time, NBC says NBCSN is going to show live figure skating every day:

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013...e-olympics.html

Considering that's usually the biggest ratings draw in the Winter Olympics, it's quite the move.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Benne posted:

Randy Moss is a reporter for Nordic and ski jumping

It's not that Randy Moss

Ted Robinson should be fortunate the Super Bowl is in Jersey if the Niners make it that far.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



This is from one of the authors of the ESPN book. How cryptic

James Andrew Miller ‏@ESPNBook 30m
"There's a battle outside And it is ragin' It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'." #ESPN

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



That thing I alluded to was merely some management changes at ESPN. Nobody got fired.

Here's the official list of NBC Olympic commentators:

http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2...4-commentators/

Probably not brought up before is that Nancy Kerrigan is going to contribute. She's not that easy to get for obvious reasons.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Let's start the NBC Olympic-bashing early. This is a great article on how they're sucking up to Lolo Jones, especially with Lindsey Vonn pulling out. And apparently she was favored to make the bobsled team over someone more qualified:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...cs-face-for-nbc

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



leokitty posted:

That's not how Fox's contract with MLB works and there are a lot of teams on FSN regional channels already.

I think he ripped off this joke

https://twitter.com/stevelepore/sta...864605478932480

quote:

Fox's acquisition of a majority stake in YES means there will be approximately 400 Yankee games on FS1 this season.

Also, I know Fox hasn't renamed some regional channels into Fox Sports whatever, so who knows.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Yeah, soon after the news broke, this came from a reliable source:

Neil Best ‏@sportswatch 20h
Per Fox source: Company does not expect to re-brand @YESNetwork.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



The guy who made First Take what it is might move to the Today Show

http://deadspin.com/sources-espn-fi...prod-1509995051

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



CBS, if for the Big Bang Theory alone, did not need it. NBCSN/Fox Sports 1 needed this to establish more credibility. I guess TNT declined because it came close to basketball season, plus they were needed for whatever conflicts in October. ABC has some established programming, Fox probably still had to air the X-Factor, and NBC could use anything on Thursdays.

Seriously, the least likely network won

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Crazy Ted posted:

Much like CBS now.

In sports broadcasting news:


Michael_Scott_noooooooooo.flv

It's been about 6 months since Fox Sports 1 debuted, and I think they could use the boost from the Pope

Those people who rely on Francesa-related memes must be thrilled

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Ace Jameson posted:

I am pretty sure their EPL ratings are exceeding expectations, and obviously right now they have the Olympics which can't hurt either.

Their first two days of Olympic coverage has set network ratings records. Doesn't hurt that it included high-profile events that in the past they wouldn't show on tv until much later. Plus they're gonna get rights to the back half of NASCAR season starting next year.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



And late last night he tried to drink the pain away

http://deadspin.com/lets-watch-mary...-tog-1520423650

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



They just announced on Today that Matt Lauer is filling in tonight

It's that bad

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



FuzzySkinner posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCS3dZG05gc

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE BOB COSTAS SAID SO.

You bring up Bob Costas and wrestling, you have to show this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qexcFvsPetY

Oh, the last time someone other than Costas hosted nighttime Olympic coverage in America

Hello friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inF9t1IhNEs

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



DJExile posted:

Let the record also show that Al Michaels owns and doesn't even care about being subtle in his references to the point spread of games.

And that extends to curling

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014...becca-lowe.html

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



I say a big reason is for the same reason we loathe promos for CBS shows during CBS NFL games. They try to appeal to a demographic that doesn't match ours.

And why do they have to try to go after that demographic? It's gotten to the point where NBC money is a huge source of IOC revenue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-olympic-games/



And how do you try to recoup that kind of spending? You go after as many people as you can.

I'll throw in that this style started when ABC, under Roone Arledge's watch, mainly had them in the 70's/80's. And when CBS had the Winter Olympics in the 90's they also did it the same way, so historically it's not just been an NBC thing.

Sure, ESPN can afford to show them live because they virtually print money. But I think the presentation would be even worse. And if you think NBC fluff is bad, look at ABC at any given moment.

e: Yes ice skating is the NFC East, and the women's program right now is Cowboys-Giants

Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 19, 2014

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Deathlove posted:

My guess is that since NBCSN didn't exist when they secured the rights for these Olympics, there are limits to what they can show? I don't know. Spitballin'.

It appears that they also have rights for Colonial League and other mid-major basketball games they have to honor

One thing I will question is why they won't show as much live curling as they did in 2010. The women's gold medal game is going on right now but it won't be on US tv until later. Awful Announcing summed it up well:

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014...ve-curling.html

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



Declan MacManus posted:

I thought that went really well. Did it not (ratings wise)?

I have some numbers here. Nobody really viewed the alternate feeds:

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014...ip-numbers.html

quote:

ESPN: 25.57 million average viewers
ESPN2 (Title Talk): 389,000 average viewers
ESPNEWS (BCS Film Room): 100,000 average viewers

Auburn radio call: 30,900 average viewers
Florida State radio call: 28,202 average viewers
Campus conection: 17,263 average viewers
Spidercam: 11,553 average viewers

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



And Russo's former on-air partner is officially on Fox Sports 1/2

Neil Best ‏@sportswatch
Mike Francesa announces that his simulcast will be on @FOXSports1 and FoxSports2 starting March 24.

Francesa will be seen on @FoxSports1 from 1 to 4 p.m., then on FoxSports2 from 4 to 6 p.m.

Francesa said he had more than one offer "but clearly the Fox Sports people were the most aggressive. They made the biggest offer."

One motivation for @FOXSports1 was to increase its presence and visibility in New York market.

Francesa said the deal with Fox is for four years, which matches his @WFAN660 contract.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



We were talking about if Gus still does soccer the other day. Well

Awful Announcing ‏@awfulannouncing
Gus Johnson returns to soccer April 1st for Manchester United-Bayern Munich Champions League QF. Will work alongside Eric Wynalda.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



This is going to come out as a big deal in the tv world. Some think he can replace Costas one day

Richard Sandomir ‏@RichSandomir
Josh Elliott leaving GMA for variety of assignments at NBC Sports

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



So Tony Reali is joining Good Morning America as a contributor on top of staying as Around the Horn host. Given the fact he's probably replacing Josh Elliott I think he'll do fine there.

e: Not that it really matters, but also Around the Horn's main studios will also be moving to the same building where GMA's and Olbermann's studios are.

Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 10, 2014

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



NBC announced today they're extending their Olympic deal through 2032.

Also yesterday in Canada TSN announced they're creating a TSN 3, 4 and 5. Canada is 3 channels away from beating America to the Ocho

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Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



In what's an inevitable end of an era, the national WGN feed is dropping all sports after this season:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/get..._medium=twitter

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