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IRQ posted:I guess it came out on xbox too, but Bethsoft just published it. I actually didn't know either of those things. The PC version allowed for a ton of modding that really helped with bugs, cut content, etc. It also featured one of the most retarded default control schemes for the PC: Left mouse button to walk forwards, right mouse button to walk backwards, shift to block, space to attack, enter to interact. But yeah, with the mods it actually was a really good piratey game, and I'm pretty sure it's still the most in-depth one in terms of ship outfitting and naval combat of all of them.
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Perestroika posted:It also featured one of the most retarded default control schemes for the PC: Left mouse button to walk forwards, right mouse button to walk backwards, shift to block, space to attack, enter to interact. But yeah, with the mods it actually was a really good piratey game, and I'm pretty sure it's still the most in-depth one in terms of ship outfitting and naval combat of all of them. The Pirates of the Carribean license was actually acquired later, the game was originally developed as a sequel to Sea Dogs, which was a very good pirate game on its own right. Being for PC only, it had a less stupid control scheme, too. Sadly I've no idea where to buy it or whether it would work on modern systems.
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Napoleon Total War has some pretty neat naval battle stuff.
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I played an mmo years ago called Pirates of the Burning Sea. PVP piracy was uncommon as the focus was on larger ship of the line battles. It's how I knew when the man o' war started firing cannons out of her tail they were done for. Basically having guns at the stern means you've run out of places for cannons but your giant gently caress-off ship can still hold more. This allows you to keep firing on a target even as you're doing nautical donuts  .My one qualm with the show (and it's small) is Sharkteeth and Katana didn't show up very much. Giving them something to do in one of Silver's scenes would have been nice. With eight episodes it's certainly understandable however.
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El Murguista posted:It's how I knew when the man o' war started firing cannons out of her tail they were done for. Basically having guns at the stern means you've run out of places for cannons but your giant gently caress-off ship can still hold more. This allows you to keep firing on a target even as you're doing nautical donuts That was a big gently caress-off ship, gently caress me running. If I were a pirate on a tiny ship like that sloop (I think) and I so much as saw that goddamn Man O' War I'd probably piss my pants. That's some dreadnought poo poo right there. It should have taken maybe one volley to sink the sloop I'd think, I don't know what happened there--probably just a way to show the God-like firepower of the Man O' War and prolong the scenes showing the destruction of Flint's ship in dramatic flair. When I saw that scene with Silver finally firing the one cannon and beginning the battle, I couldn't help but think, "you stupid, stupid bastards," while kind of hanging my head. life is killing me fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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life is killing me posted:If I were a pirate on a tiny ship like that sloop (I think) It's not a sloop: It's square-rigged, not fore-and-aft.
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Flatscan posted:It's not a sloop: It's square-rigged, not fore-and-aft. I thought it was a clipper, but I'm probably wrong.
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Wizard of Smart posted:I thought it was a clipper, but I'm probably wrong. Clipper ships were only around for a hot minute in the 1800s when you wanted the fastest time to Hong Kong possible. After 5 or 6 years they realized it was expensive as gently caress since the hulls didn't carry any real cargo comparatively and so the ships got a couple of knots slower but a thousand tons heavier. Then the Suez Canal opened and clippers died off soon after. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 00:31
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Party Plane Jones posted:Clipper ships were only around for a hot minute in the 1800s when you wanted the fastest time to Hong Kong possible. After 5 or 6 years they realized it was expensive as gently caress since the hulls didn't carry any real cargo comparatively and so the ships got a couple of knots slower but a thousand tons heavier. Then the Suez Canal opened and clippers died off soon after. This post makes me acknowledge that I don't know as much about the age of sail as I want to.
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So am I the only one who can't really help but blame Dufresne for the outcome of the Manowar engagement? Yes Flint is a massive rear end and yes his plan was a risky all-in whereas if Dufresne had his way, they would've just gone home, destitute but alive. However, the moment Silver started the fight, it was Dufresne's fault Flint's plan to cripple the Manowar fell through and it was Dufresne's fault that a small pirate ship in combat against a Manowar was now under the command of an accountant instead of a former royal navy officer who actually knew something about fighting Manowars, not to mention a confused and conflicted crew. Even if Dufresne's plan had worked, what of the Ranger? What if she didn't get away? Seems like Gates really was the last likable character, but I guess that makes for an accurate portrayal of piracy in the age of sail.
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Hra Mormo posted:So am I the only one who can't really help but blame Dufresne for the outcome of the Manowar engagement? Yes Flint is a massive rear end and yes his plan was a risky all-in whereas if Dufresne had his way, they would've just gone home, destitute but alive. However, the moment Silver started the fight, it was Dufresne's fault Flint's plan to cripple the Manowar fell through and it was Dufresne's fault that a small pirate ship in combat against a Manowar was now under the command of an accountant instead of a former royal navy officer who actually knew something about fighting Manowars, not to mention a confused and conflicted crew. Even if Dufresne's plan had worked, what of the Ranger? What if she didn't get away? They were hosed either way, it was probably one chance in a hundred to win that fight even if Flint's plan had gone perfectly, that ship of the line had more cannons than the two ships combined in just one broadside so the plan was utter madness and that was why Gates was so against it.
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Lord Tywin posted:They were hosed either way, it was probably one chance in a hundred to win that fight even if Flint's plan had gone perfectly, that ship of the line had more cannons than the two ships combined in just one broadside so the plan was utter madness and that was why Gates was so against it. I'd imagine the idea was for them to actually raise sail and keep circling around for as long as possible to prolong the time they stayed out of the angle of its broadsides (I think they specifically raised the anchor before opening fire, didn't they?). Something as huge as that manowar probably would take ages to turn, so at such a close range they might actually have managed that for a while. But with one captain incapacitated and the other dead, nobody was in a position to actually make that happen.
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Hra Mormo posted:Seems like Gates really was the last likable character, but I guess that makes for an accurate portrayal of piracy in the age of sail. Are you forgetting the comedy duo of Naft and Fraisier?
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So now that we are actually on the island the chances of the fucktent making another appearance is pretty slim. This makes me a little unhappy
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Perestroika posted:I'd imagine the idea was for them to actually raise sail and keep circling around for as long as possible to prolong the time they stayed out of the angle of its broadsides (I think they specifically raised the anchor before opening fire, didn't they?). Something as huge as that manowar probably would take ages to turn, so at such a close range they might actually have managed that for a while. But with one captain incapacitated and the other dead, nobody was in a position to actually make that happen. I think they were using the anchor as a kind of drag, to pull them into firing position while appearing to drift.
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Hra Mormo posted:So am I the only one who can't really help but blame Dufresne for the outcome of the Manowar engagement? Yes Flint is a massive rear end and yes his plan was a risky all-in whereas if Dufresne had his way, they would've just gone home, destitute but alive. However, the moment Silver started the fight, it was Dufresne's fault Flint's plan to cripple the Manowar fell through and it was Dufresne's fault that a small pirate ship in combat against a Manowar was now under the command of an accountant instead of a former royal navy officer who actually knew something about fighting Manowars, not to mention a confused and conflicted crew. Even if Dufresne's plan had worked, what of the Ranger? What if she didn't get away? Lots of blame to spread around.
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Dufresne's whole plan was to abandon the Ranger alone with the Spanish. Dude's a jerk.
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Simstim posted:I think they were using the anchor as a kind of drag, to pull them into firing position while appearing to drift. They were using the anchor as a kind of winch to turn the ship. That's what the guys turning that wheel were for. Ships had (or could rig) a spring thinger on an anchor so they could turn in place (slowly) like that. Either that or my limited naval knowledge from crappy books is leading me astray.
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nooneofconsequence posted:Dufresne's whole plan was to abandon the Ranger alone with the Spanish. Dude's a jerk. This. The guys plan was literally "gently caress them, we got away."
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Off topic a bit, but I'm 10 episodes into Spartacus and while I'm enjoying it more than I did the first time I watched it. I'm quickly reminded that the show really just feels like an excuse for nudity, something that they definitely refined in Black Sails. There's quite a few people from Arrow too which is interesting... Anyway, I definitely prefer Black Sails and don't really feel like the shows are similar enough that enjoyment of one would lead to enjoyment of the other. Spartacus is a lot more based around the lead than Black Sails is. Like we're clearly supposed to sympathize with Spartacus while there doesn't actually feel like there's a protagonist in Black Sails. Silver and Flint both have elements we want to sympathize with but at the same time are complete assholes and have no qualms about throwing anyone under the bus, or off the boat as it were. Thanks to people who told me to stick with Spartacus, maybe it will do a Strike Back and turn into an amazing show after the first season.
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Wizard of Smart posted:This. The guys plan was literally "gently caress them, we got away." Well at that point there wasn't any of their original crew over there so I could kind of see that. At the same time you should watch your temporary comrades backs just the same. Eh, guess I see both sides. He still picked the worst time to do that though.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Well at that point there wasn't any of their original crew over there so I could kind of see that. At the same time you should watch your temporary comrades backs just the same. Eh, guess I see both sides. He still picked the worst time to do that though. I mean, yeah, I can't blame him for trying to get away either, but it's still a lovely thing to do.
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nooneofconsequence posted:Dufresne's whole plan was to abandon the Ranger alone with the Spanish. Dude's a jerk. The Ranger wasn't going to turn and fire until the Walrus did but her getaway wasn't certain. She would have had to try and lose the Spanish in the night.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Bear McCreary has been doing video blogs for each episode, covering different facets of the conception and recording of the soundtrack. Besides the music being awesome and the interesting instruments, just listening to Bear be enthusiastic about music is so endearing, he's clearly the biggest music nerd (as is his crew). This one is probably my favorite, featuring a wacky music historian talking about sea shanties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei2x1UzL9FE
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bringer posted:The Ranger wasn't going to turn and fire until the Walrus did but her getaway wasn't certain. She would have had to try and lose the Spanish in the night.
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I think Flint's plan also hinged on the Man 'o War not being a normal Man 'o War, but instead being the Urca, which I assume would have had at least a couple of the guns removed to make room or weight available for gold? As I recall, he was decided at the last moment the ship they wound up attacking was the Urca, and was pretty obviously proven wrong on that as well. Might the plan have worked against the real Urca?
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Thaddius the Large posted:I think Flint's plan also hinged on the Man 'o War not being a normal Man 'o War, but instead being the Urca, which I assume would have had at least a couple of the guns removed to make room or weight available for gold? As I recall, he was decided at the last moment the ship they wound up attacking was the Urca, and was pretty obviously proven wrong on that as well. Might the plan have worked against the real Urca? No, the whole thing with him announcing he was carrying Tobacco was him gambling that the ship was looking for the Urca and that he was therefore right about it being around. He wanted to take on a real Man 'o War and it was a really dumb idea.
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It really was a suicidal move. He even said earlier on in the series that it was going to be the fight of their lives trying to take JUST the Urca with 2 ships and with upgraded guns. What on earth was he thinking that hey let's take a full on lineship instead of a just treasure galleon that was still going to tear us up...
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SeaWolf posted:What on earth was he thinking that hey let's take a full on lineship instead of a just treasure galleon that was still going to tear us up... That if it linked up with the Urca there'd be no point even trying, so better to try then when there was still a remote chance of pulling it off.
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SeaWolf posted:It really was a suicidal move. He even said earlier on in the series that it was going to be the fight of their lives trying to take JUST the Urca with 2 ships and with upgraded guns. What on earth was he thinking that hey let's take a full on lineship instead of a just treasure galleon that was still going to tear us up... It was either that or forfeit the Urca, they'd never even get a chance at the treasure galleon if they didn't take out the escort and if the escort reunited with the Urca the two ships combined would be literally impossible to even consider engaging no matter how obsessed you were. It might have been a 3% chance to pull it off, but sometimes you have to roll a hard six. e: f;b
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Alchenar posted:No, the whole thing with him announcing he was carrying Tobacco was him gambling that the ship was looking for the Urca and that he was therefore right about it being around. He wanted to take on a real Man 'o War and it was a really dumb idea. That's right, I forgot about the tobacco ploy. That. . . was a dumb move, attacking the other ship. Made for a drat good moment though!
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Alchenar posted:No, the whole thing with him announcing he was carrying Tobacco was him gambling that the ship was looking for the Urca and that he was therefore right about it being around. He wanted to take on a real Man 'o War and it was a really dumb idea. Are you going to let some other ship take all the gold? I think not.
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Dufresne's waiting until they were in firing position to pull his mutiny was dumb, too. If he were going to, he should have done so when Flint gave the order to drift. A whole host of bad decisions which led to being shipwrecked.
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Whelp, all the AC chat made me just buy Black Flag even though I couldn't get through more than ten hours of AC3 (which was a shame, because I really liked the Ezio trilogy). Besides all the ship battles, I'm looking forward to see how the characters like Anne Bonny and Vane differ from their counterparts in the show.
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Wizard of Smart posted:Dufresne's waiting until they were in firing position to pull his mutiny was dumb, too. If he were going to, he should have done so when Flint gave the order to drift. It's been said before but Dufresne's turn was pretty much dogshit. Probably legit the only thing on the show I dislike in any way that I can currently think of.
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Gazaar posted:It's been said before but Dufresne's turn was pretty much dogshit. Probably legit the only thing on the show I dislike in any way that I can currently think of. Oh it was total dogshit. No argument there.
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3Romeo posted:Whelp, all the AC chat made me just buy Black Flag even though I couldn't get through more than ten hours of AC3 (which was a shame, because I really liked the Ezio trilogy). Besides all the ship battles, I'm looking forward to see how the characters like Anne Bonny and Vane differ from their counterparts in the show. Blackbeard!!
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Well. Except for the meta-retarded Abstergo video game industries frame, I'm digging it so far. It has the open-seas freedom feel that Black Sails does and some decent characterization, and that's pretty much all I really wanted.
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