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cheeeeesecake
Aug 16, 2003


The gang misses the boat had Mac with the mesh shirt in which he pretends to be banging Dusty. Would probably add that to your list as well

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Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.


I don't know if we have any gay men reading the thread, but does it at all feel odd to have a straight man (Rob McElhenny) creating this whole interpretive dance expressing "his" struggle as a gay man trying to find acceptance? It seems like it's been pretty well-received everywhere, and it's certainly a positive portrayal, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen anyone bring this up. If he's never lived that experience, does it make it seem "fake" or shallow at all to people who have lived it in real life?

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

BITCOIN BATMAN

Not a gay man, since I'm transitioning now and also like women, but I lived as a queer dude for a long time, so I guess I kinda' might count?

I was just happy to have a gay man on television who wasn't a stereotype. Like, his assholishness isn't because he's gay and his gayness isn't central to his character so much as being raised Catholic is.

Mac's really complex, under the jokes.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


Phenotype posted:

I don't know if we have any gay men reading the thread, but does it at all feel odd to have a straight man (Rob McElhenny) creating this whole interpretive dance expressing "his" struggle as a gay man trying to find acceptance? It seems like it's been pretty well-received everywhere, and it's certainly a positive portrayal, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen anyone bring this up. If he's never lived that experience, does it make it seem "fake" or shallow at all to people who have lived it in real life?

No, it's just good.

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

neato devito


Phenotype posted:

I don't know if we have any gay men reading the thread, but does it at all feel odd to have a straight man (Rob McElhenny) creating this whole interpretive dance expressing "his" struggle as a gay man trying to find acceptance? It seems like it's been pretty well-received everywhere, and it's certainly a positive portrayal, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen anyone bring this up. If he's never lived that experience, does it make it seem "fake" or shallow at all to people who have lived it in real life?

I mean Rob grew up with two moms and has always been very sincere of his support for the community. It's acting, he's allowed to portray something he's not in real life if he's respectful and honest with it, and dude is both

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


Everyone's a little bi so maybe he's just channeling that

I mean a LOT and I mean a LOT of dudes say they're "straight" but have gay sexual fantasies. I've told lots of people I'm straight just to avoid them being weird because homophobia is insanely common even among totally woke people

precision fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2018 around 01:45

resting mitch face
Apr 9, 2005

5) I hear you.

I made the mistake of watching "The Gang Does a Clip Show" on shrooms and it messed up the rest of the season for me, I think.

btw the dance from the last episode was really beautiful.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


I wanna watch that dance on shrooms or acid

Ajaxify
May 5, 2009


Phenotype posted:

I don't know if we have any gay men reading the thread, but does it at all feel odd to have a straight man (Rob McElhenny) creating this whole interpretive dance expressing "his" struggle as a gay man trying to find acceptance? It seems like it's been pretty well-received everywhere, and it's certainly a positive portrayal, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen anyone bring this up. If he's never lived that experience, does it make it seem "fake" or shallow at all to people who have lived it in real life?

They meta-joke about this in the episode itself.

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING


i thought mac's confession to his dad was going to finally prompt the "i love you" he never got and it was going to be a happy ending which is why people had been buzzing about the finale so much. i laughed my god drat dick off at Frank's gradual devolvement into a disgusting blood-swollen creature as the episode progressed, top-notch Sunny in that regard, and then BOOM that ending. way better and more satisfying than anything i could have anticipated.

early in the dance when Mac's shirt comes off, i was still unsure if we were in joke territory or not and kinda snickered thinking they were still rolling with the "hey i got jacked, you guys" thing, but then my brain immediately switched to realizing that this dance was the reason he got so jacked in the first place and they were masking it since the first episode of the season.

what a cool show

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007


This was a cool episode and the goober a few pages back fussing about it being too serious as an unironic complaint only made it better.

Ammonsa
Oct 13, 2012


STAC Goat posted:

Yeah, that's all I meant to say. He definitely wasn't gay at the start but it was obviously a joke to undermine his hyper masculine self identity with insecurities and blind spots and it just evolved.


Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to try she wasn't a woman or anything like that. Just that obviously the way they played it was as Mac being defensive and secretive. But again, I think back in S1 it was just a gag at his macho behavior and how he wanted to be perceived. The actual "Mac is gay" stuff didn't start up until later.

I apologize for what I can see was obviously a super bad way to say it that kind of suggested Carmen was a gay dude.

Thanks for the reply, that's totally fair and I agree with you on it, actually.

Collapsing Farts
Jun 29, 2018


This season is REALLY good

Easychair Bootson
May 7, 2004

Where's the last guy?
Ultimo hombre.
Last man standing.
Must've been one.


What's the proper chronological order of this season's episodes?

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

Clarke has more acting talent in her brows than most other actors, including herself, have in their entire body.



Easychair Bootson posted:

What's the proper chronological order of this season's episodes?

Other than the two superbowl episodes everything is chronological.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009

My name's ralph and i'm a bad guy. I'm 9 feet tall, i weigh 643 pounds. I'm a wrecker, i wreck things.




Oh, what could have been

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_44fh_xrpE

The Sean
Apr 16, 2005

Am I handsome now?



emanresu tnuocca posted:

Other than the two superbowl episodes everything is chronological.

I don't think this is the case. I can't find it right now but I think Kaitlin Olson was interviewed around the premier of the season saying she wasn't sure what order the episodes were going to come out. The #metoo episode was right around the Kavenaugh hearing, if I'm remembering correctly. Otherwise, I feel like Dennis' Range Rover episode should have been episode #2. He talks about the gang clearly wanting to know what he's been doing while he's been away but they don't care. It seems like he would have addressed that much sooner. On top of that, if the episode's order was chronological I don't understand why he didn't notice his Range Rover was blown up/missing earlier. Especially so since the vehicle represented the mojo he'd lost without it and I don't know how he was full Dennis in other episodes otherwise.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.

Dinosaur Gum

I hope Dennis talks about being up north next season and it's just a big rip on Fargo

And it includes a Fargo Mac and Fargo Charlie and such

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.


I don't like AP Bio and I'm mad it's stealing Dennis from IASIP >:[

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

Help comes when you need it most




Yes

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.

Dinosaur Gum

wrong show died

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

neato devito


Doltos posted:

I don't like AP Bio and I'm mad it's stealing Dennis from IASIP >:[
I do like AP Bio quite a lot and I'm mad that it lived while The Mick died

pr0p
Dec 7, 2011


Whalley posted:

I do like AP Bio quite a lot and I'm mad that it lived while The Mick died

The Mick was goooood

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

A Little Known FACT: Burger King's Bacon King is superior to the Baconator.


The Sean posted:

I don't think this is the case. I can't find it right now but I think Kaitlin Olson was interviewed around the premier of the season saying she wasn't sure what order the episodes were going to come out. The #metoo episode was right around the Kavenaugh hearing, if I'm remembering correctly. Otherwise, I feel like Dennis' Range Rover episode should have been episode #2. He talks about the gang clearly wanting to know what he's been doing while he's been away but they don't care. It seems like he would have addressed that much sooner. On top of that, if the episode's order was chronological I don't understand why he didn't notice his Range Rover was blown up/missing earlier. Especially so since the vehicle represented the mojo he'd lost without it and I don't know how he was full Dennis in other episodes otherwise.

I mean, he probably should have noticed it was blown up outside the bar. But it seems like he probably knew it was missing before he decided to ask everyone what they did with his Range Rover.

Like, maybe he got back and didn't think anything of it until he realized he wasn't the Golden God you Idiots until not having it for a few days.

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

neato devito


pr0p posted:

The Mick was goooood
Of all the shows to end on a depressing twist, The Mick is probably the strongest

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002



I mean clone high exists so I disagree

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007



Whalley posted:

I do like AP Bio quite a lot and I'm mad that it lived while The Mick died

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I sometimes stop and think about the perfect build/payoff to God running into the Church, pointing at Ben and telling him to stay in school.

God, The Mick was amazing.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


Grimey Drawer

Jerusalem posted:

God, The Mick was amazing.

Too perfect for our world.

SpitztheGreat
Jul 20, 2005


Late to the party.

Overall, I thought Season 13 was weak and that the show needs to come to an end before the drop in quality really becomes a problem. Thirteen seasons is a good run, no shame in anything, but time to wrap it up.

However

That finale was incredible and a testament to the care that the crew puts into the show. Years from now, when people do a retrospective on IASIP, this episode is going to be featured prominently. It was a shockingly powerful attempt at character development and analysis without any of the humor the show is known for. I actually found NOTHING about the episode funny, not Frank's busted face, not the BDSM scene, nothing- but not in a critical way. To me, without knowing anything about the episode, I could tell from the very beginning that this was going to be different, and that the attempts at humor felt like nothing more than misdirection. I'm not saying you can't find it funny, but to me it never felt like it wanted me to laugh.

For the first time ever I actually think I want to see the characters grow/change before the show ends. Not necessarily for the better, or for the worse, but I think it would be nice to do the opposite of Seinfeld. After 13 years of being compared to Seinfeld, it could be the ultimate subversion to see the characters grow in a meaningful way as they sail off into the sunset.


Also- can someone fill me in on when the area surrounding the pub went through all the development/new construction??? It kinda took me out of the show every time they did scenes outside the bar because of all the new construction. When did that first pop up? It takes me out of the setting quite a bit because a lovely failing pub like their's doesn't fit in what looks to be a new/expensive area.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

sorry

SpitztheGreat posted:

Also- can someone fill me in on when the area surrounding the pub went through all the development/new construction??? It kinda took me out of the show every time they did scenes outside the bar because of all the new construction. When did that first pop up? It takes me out of the setting quite a bit because a lovely failing pub like their's doesn't fit in what looks to be a new/expensive area.

They've definitely set up that the other businesses in the area have succeeded while Paddy's has stagnated and gone mostly unnoticed. Molly's in "The Gang Reignites the Rivalry" is a good example of this. So, IDK, it's sort of fitting in a way.

And I enjoyed the return to the orgy buffet joke. I loved that call-back, plus the bloody nose rags in the chicken ughh

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"


I don't think the gentrification was decided by the show, it's just happening in real life like it is in most places like where Paddy's is located. Almost all the dive bars in lovely areas I knew from 13 years ago are gone or now surrounded by $400k 1br condos. That's why they gotta try to host "liberal speech nights" and attract the gays.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

You look like a bird.

SpitztheGreat
Jul 20, 2005


Baronjutter posted:

I don't think the gentrification was decided by the show, it's just happening in real life like it is in most places like where Paddy's is located. Almost all the dive bars in lovely areas I knew from 13 years ago are gone or now surrounded by $400k 1br condos. That's why they gotta try to host "liberal speech nights" and attract the gays.

I didn't mean to imply that the show had anything to do with it. I just don't remember the area around the bar looking any different in season 11 or 12, so to suddenly see all kinds of new construction around the bar was jarring. I'm not expecting a great deal of realism from the show, that's not it's thing obviously, but it did leave me scratching my head at times. Case in point, when they reveal that they destroyed Dennis' car, it was literally feet away from look like mixed use/ commercial space. Personally, I just liked it more when the setting was in some slummy part of town where people could be taken hostage, buildings burned, cars wrecked, and no one would notice. Seems like they could work the gentrification/improvement of the neighborhood into the story more, maybe compare/contrast in with the characters growth.

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

DEAN OF THE LOCAL ARCADE


SpitztheGreat posted:

I didn't mean to imply that the show had anything to do with it. I just don't remember the area around the bar looking any different in season 11 or 12, so to suddenly see all kinds of new construction around the bar was jarring. I'm not expecting a great deal of realism from the show, that's not it's thing obviously, but it did leave me scratching my head at times. Case in point, when they reveal that they destroyed Dennis' car, it was literally feet away from look like mixed use/ commercial space. Personally, I just liked it more when the setting was in some slummy part of town where people could be taken hostage, buildings burned, cars wrecked, and no one would notice. Seems like they could work the gentrification/improvement of the neighborhood into the story more, maybe compare/contrast in with the characters growth.

If they want to go really bold they could work in the gentrification next season: "Paddy's is Priced Out". And they have to move the bar to a shittier location.

deong
Jun 13, 2001

I'll see you in heck!


I had thought they (Frank) owned the bar, and that the physical aspect was included.

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

DEAN OF THE LOCAL ARCADE


deong posted:

I had thought they (Frank) owned the bar, and that the physical aspect was included.

They haven't really touched on it in a long time. Maybe Frank could have lost the deed in a poker game or something.

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Krankenstyle
Oct 15, 2005

***clicks post***

1glitch0 posted:

They haven't really touched on it in a long time. Maybe Frank could have lost the deed in a poker game or something.

What about those mahjong(?) guys he used to hang around with

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