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Agronox
Feb 4, 2005



timpanihilistic posted:

Yeah, I'm in the underwhelmed camp. I still love this show, and to expect every episode to be classic status would be unfair. Episodes I'm not crazy about just make the really good ones even better. I'm glad others liked it, though!

Yeah, underwhelmed? I'm surprised anyone was whelmed at all. My first impression is that this is the worst since Frank's Brother.

Maybe I should watch it again.

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Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005



Slippery Tilde

emanresu tnuocca posted:

*click click click* It's so easy to get you.

I love it when Charlie shows that despite being an illiterate paint huffer he is in fact a lot smarter than Mac.
Mac's incompetence with anything related to self-defense is one of my favorite running gags. The sword wound just killed me.

timp
Sep 18, 2007

Everything is in my control


Lipstick Apathy

Yeah, I dunno...I guess it just felt...unbelievable? Like they were trying too hard or something. This show is not known for it's realism by any stretch of the imagination, but I just had a hard time buying any of it. Frank on not just one TV station, but multiple broadcast interviews? The principal from season 6 not instantly throwing Mac and Charlie out on sight? Dennis and Dee screaming about shooting innocent people in a gun shop and nobody bats an eye?

"Realistic" expectations like that are exactly what made the season opener so funny, because at first things seemed unbelievable, then they brought it back at the last minute in a final turn. Another episode that does this was the McPoyle Wedding episode from last season, where the McPoyles were being crazy, but then you find out it was because their milk-punch was spiked with bath salts.

I think Sunny's at its funniest when it's crushing the Gang with harsh realities. And like I said, it got laughs from me, but it's not one I'll watch over and over again like Mac's Big Break or Who Got Dee Pregnant.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005



Slippery Tilde

If they were trying to be realistic the gang would have been in jail or dead by season 2.

timp
Sep 18, 2007

Everything is in my control


Lipstick Apathy

Nate RFB posted:

If they were trying to be realistic the gang would have been in jail or dead by season 2.

I get that...which is why I put realistic in quotation marks. It's not the exact term to describe what I'm talking about, but "crushed by harsh reality" is a little closer. Frank on TV was just too out there for me to accept, especially accompanied by not-so-closeted pedo Jack Kelly.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005



If there's a spectrum of verisimilitude, this ep was on the "too ridiculous" end. The series as a whole walks a fine line and does it well.

Oh well, there's always next week.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011


I feel that Sunny is the kind of show that is always stronger when you marathon through seasons rather than wait a week between the episodes, I recently viewed all seasons in the span of a few days and the new episodes do feel kind of weak but I think that it's mostly due to the weight of expectations. I'm sure that this season will have its share of brilliant episodes and that once it finishes airing and I get to rewatch them it'll be just as funny as previous seasons.

thrakkorzog
Nov 16, 2007


nasboat posted:

who is that playing the gun vendor? He looks so familiar.

The actor's name is Jeff Kober, and he's one of those 'That guy' actors that show up all over the place. Looking at his IMDB page, he was also on ER, Supernatural, Charmed, the X-Files, Star Trek: Enterprise and Voyager, plus at least one guest spot on just about every crime procedural made in the past 20 years.

ChesterJT
Dec 28, 2003

Crescent Fresh


timpanihilistic posted:

I get that...which is why I put realistic in quotation marks. It's not the exact term to describe what I'm talking about, but "crushed by harsh reality" is a little closer. Frank on TV was just too out there for me to accept, especially accompanied by not-so-closeted pedo Jack Kelly.

Uhh that's constitutional law expert Jack Kelley thank you very much.



You may have just hit the point where you don't like the show anymore. You clearly can't explain why but you don't have to. It's just tastes. Still think you're crazy though.

Beardless Riker
Apr 14, 2005



Honestly for me it was alright, but for some reason I was really bothered that Frank said 'bullshit' on what was just established to be a live news show and the anchor didn't even acknowledge it. And the closing scene with them talking about needing to get water filters was pretty weak. Not a lot of laugh out loud moments for me, which is not a regular occurrence with this show. You win some, you lose some.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

I liked Mac and Charlie getting into the gun vs. sword debate.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

coming like judgment day
i.e. for the second time.


For some reason the references to Dee setting her roommate on fire slayed me. I loved when she went nuts in the car, too. Not as good as last week, but solid.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax


Show is still far better than the leagues been for a one season plus this til date.

gucci mangosteen
Feb 26, 2007


It wasn't my favorite episode but it had some really great bits. I agree some stuff was a little over-the-top, I didn't really like Uncle Jack being so open about his love of children. I've always thought that it's funnier when a character is implied to be something horrible without it just being stated outright. I guess you could say it's the... implication.

Barf Wight
Sep 4, 2011
OK, you can stop yelling

ChesterJT posted:

Uhh that's constitutional law expert Jack Kelley thank you very much.



You may have just hit the point where you don't like the show anymore. You clearly can't explain why but you don't have to. It's just tastes. Still think you're crazy though.
Now how is that tasteless?

Also, great callback to Dennis and Dee go on welfare, with the very slight rolling down of the window.

Compared to last weeks episode there were not as many laughs on my end. I enjoyed Charlie just pulling the trigger on his unloaded gun at the slightest provocation.

Lugaloco
Jun 29, 2011


Don't saunter away!

Pretty good episode but I didn't laugh as much as I did in the premiere. Weird thing this though, looking back there were tons of great moments and felt it was a better constructed episode overall. Maybe I'll laugh more on rewatch.

sportsgenius86
Jun 17, 2008

THE STREAK IS OVER


This was a good episode but I liked last week's better because I didn't see the ending coming at all. Pretty much anyone who watches this show regularly saw the Frank's Investment thing coming from a mile away.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Beardless Riker posted:

And the closing scene with them talking about needing to get water filters was pretty weak.

Hey, they are all dupees, it makes sense that they'd see the need to protect themselves from Philly's poison water

Fat Ogre
Dec 31, 2007

Guns don't kill people.

I do.


As a huge gun nerd, I thought the episode was hilarious in that it framed both sides of the debate beautifully.

Dennis and Dee were totally anti-gun and spit out all the stupid rhetoric about how easy it is to get a gun, how simple it is, how anyone can just get it, how it doesn't make you safer and then systematically prove themselves wrong and in the end realize they didn't know what they were talking about. That if it is so easy to get an assault weapon why couldn't they get one?

Whereas with Charlie and Mac they went with the stupid pro gun side that talks about how we need to be vigilant and fearful of crime and how goofy that logic is taken to extremes, while also pointing out that anything in a school could be a weapon, they don't really even need guns to cause a massacre and maybe everyone having weapons that they aren't skilled or mature enough to own them isn't that great of an idea.

Meanwhile the news and business owners made money off everyone's fears like they always do.

If anything it felt like a South Park take on a contentious issue showing both extreme positions are pretty moronic.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005



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Fat Ogre posted:

Dennis and Dee were totally anti-gun and spit out all the stupid rhetoric about how easy it is to get a gun, how simple it is, how anyone can just get it, how it doesn't make you safer and then systematically prove themselves wrong and in the end realize they didn't know what they were talking about. That if it is so easy to get an assault weapon why couldn't they get one?
Well, they could have gotten one at the gun show if they weren't trying to get out of actually paying money for it.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009


Mac calls his katana a 'sabre', revealing he knows even less about fighting than we though.

Barf Wight
Sep 4, 2011
OK, you can stop yelling

redweird posted:

Mac calls his katana a 'sabre', revealing he knows even less about fighting than we though.
When he said sabre I thought for a second he was going to whip out the Ali Baba sword. This was probably the very same katana he bought with the company credit card way back in season 3.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006


Fat Ogre posted:

If anything it felt like a South Park take on a contentious issue showing both extreme positions are pretty moronic.

Yeah, South Park was exactly the same comparison I was thinking of too. Take the piss out of both sides of the argument without putting forward their own/'correct' point. Enjoyable episode, although I think maybe expectations were set differently as it was touted as a sequel to 'Gun Fever' which it felt very unrelated from in the end.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:

I also got some serious callback vibes from this scene with the "Jokes on Dee" party.

"Breaking Bad" did not invent the surprise party sequence.

CaptainHollywood
Feb 29, 2008


I am an awesome guy and I love to make out during shitty Hollywood horror movies. I am a trendwhore!


Fat Ogre posted:

If anything it felt like a South Park take on a contentious issue showing both extreme positions are pretty moronic.

Good comparison. I could see Cartman as Frank going on news shows etc. So far this season has been 2 for 2.

Tom Brady
Oct 17, 2008

by Ralp


I thought it was pretty good, the only part I didn't get real down with was the very end after frank tells the gang theyve been duped, only to get immediately duped again...by the very plan he told them he was going to be doing next. Not a big deal, just kinda eye roll inducing.

Sword vs Gun debate was perfect, Macs T shirt was amazing, and the Indiana Jones thing had me cracking up

Advice
Feb 17, 2007

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ton revanche
Je veux ton amour
I don't wanna be friends


Wait, do people really see an issue with Frank appearing on the news all the time? He's loaded, it's practically a plot point now that he just has infinite money, I just filled in a gap in my mind that he paid off the station or the owner or something. Especially with how he kept appearing as a "concerned citizen" or some other bullshit title implying he was just an average joe, who somehow kept appearing for different reasons not even in a Man on the Street segment but actually in the newsroom. I felt like that was a major joke of the episode.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax


I will never not love Frank's money-making schemes. Its such a great touch that he's this incredible businessman who gets richer every year despite living and acting like a hobo.


Conquistador posted:

I thought it was pretty good, the only part I didn't get real down with was the very end after frank tells the gang theyve been duped, only to get immediately duped again...by the very plan he told them he was going to be doing next. Not a big deal, just kinda eye roll inducing.

Except that's exactly what happens in real life. We only roll our eyes because people on tv aren't supposed to be as stupid as the people next door.

Criminal Minded
Jan 4, 2005

Spring break forever


Count me on the side of the underwhelmed. I thought it was too broad and obvious (not that Sunny is a show that prides itself on subtlety). Usually when Sunny lampoons hot-button issues they're much more clever; this felt like a series of obvious talking points presented without much in the way of comment. I mean, it wasn't awful, but Sunny is rarely that.

CaptainHollywood
Feb 29, 2008


I am an awesome guy and I love to make out during shitty Hollywood horror movies. I am a trendwhore!


Irish Joe posted:

I will never not love Frank's money-making schemes. Its such a great touch that he's this incredible businessman who gets richer every year despite living and acting like a hobo.


Except that's exactly what happens in real life. We only roll our eyes because people on tv aren't supposed to be as stupid as the people next door.

Exactly. It was similar to Paddy's Pub: Worst Bar in Philidelphia where it ends with the gang going to see the critic.

Advice
Feb 17, 2007

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ton revanche
Je veux ton amour
I don't wanna be friends


Irish Joe posted:

I will never not love Frank's money-making schemes. Its such a great touch that he's this incredible businessman who gets richer every year despite living and acting like a hobo.


I love how in "Frank's Back in Business", he acts like a professional businessman and keeps his hair clean, his breath fresh, is very polite to his business associates (obviously not to his underlings), further illustrating that this completely vile lifestyle he now leads was a complete choice he made back in Season 2 when he wanted to become like Charlie.

TUS
Feb 19, 2003

I'm going to stab you. Offline. With a real knife.


Reading these posts is making me hot.

neoboman
Feb 16, 2007


I still think the League has been better so far this season. Both are still two of the best shows on tv.

Azure_Horizon
Mar 27, 2010

by Lowtax


You light ONE BITCH on fire and EVERYBODY FREAKS OUT

that alone made Sunny the best thing on last night

Nevvy Z
Jan 3, 2004

This is a pretty dumb contest.


I know it's stupid but it really bugged me how Charlie kept alternating between holding one phone and holding three or four. Just really really sloppy editing throughout that scene.

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Frostwerks posted:

Show is still far better than the leagues been for a one season plus this til date.

Gonna disagree. I really like both shows but The League makes me laugh far more often than Sunny does the last few seasons. Personal preference and whatnot I guess. Sometimes Always Sunny feels too much like "Hey, remember when we did this before?" and although I thought this episode was good it just felt like we've been here before. Which I suppose we obviously have, being that it's more or less a sequel episode with 'too' in the title.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006
At least that dreadful man has gone. For now.


Hey Guy who said last episode was an homage to Breaking Bad, what show was this for if the theme is their favorite shows this season?

Beardless Riker
Apr 14, 2005



The Wire

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003
Pirate of the High Seas


TraderStav posted:

Hey Guy who said last episode was an homage to Breaking Bad, what show was this for if the theme is their favorite shows this season?

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

But seriously, I dunno, if there is a theme this season, we won't be sure for another few episodes. If this were any other show, I would've been bothered by the "Too" vs "Two." I did, otherwise, enjoy the episode.

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ultramiraculous
Nov 12, 2003

~Yogurt Enemas~




Grimey Drawer

Agronox posted:

If there's a spectrum of verisimilitude, this ep was on the "too ridiculous" end. The series as a whole walks a fine line and does it well.

Oh well, there's always next week.

The only thing that really was too ridiculous for me was right near the end during the water filter scene when the gang went "Frank you're just like the NRA" and nobody batted an eye. That whole sequence was way too intelligent in the Sunny universe for me. Everything else was on the "who the gently caress cares" level, because the gang gets away with so much poo poo in general.

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