These are the people you share a road with: Let's play "drunk or hyper-miler?"

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PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Deedle posted:

Pedestrians aren't drivers in the eyes of the law where I live, and because they aren't drivers they cannot have right-of-way.

So you can just hit them willy-nilly?

I'm not entirely opposed to that, but it seems a tad unlikely to me.

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Deedle: Oct 17, 2011; before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.

Mooseykins posted:

Where is this place of sense and clear thinking???

The Netherlands. Pedestrians aren't drivers, so they can't have right-of-way. Pedestrians are just part of 'traffic'. Ofcourse there are situations where you have to "allow all other traffic to proceed", but it is never technically worded in a way that pedestrians have right-of-way. For example you have to stop at a zebra crossing if a pedestrian is crossing or about to cross. The violation for non-compliance is categorised as a failure to stop, like at a stop sign or red light, not as a failure to yield right-of-way.

Though don't get your hopes up too much. There's also a law which states that in the case of a collision between a party who must have Insurance by law (motorists, mopeds, segways etc) and a party who isn't required to have insurance (bicyclists, pedestrians, herds of cattle etc) the party who is required to have insurance is always liable for damages to the other, even if the non-insured party was at fault.
So if a drunk student runs his bicycle into the fender of your Miata, your insurance is going to have to pay for his bent wheel and you have to drag his rear end to court and sue at ridiculous expense to get any money to fix up your car.

PT6A posted:

So you can just hit them willy-nilly?

I'm not entirely opposed to that, but it seems a tad unlikely to me.

No, you can only hit them if they go by PT6A on SA...

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:29

Mooseykins: Aug 9, 2013; Triangle tits and an annoying sex voice?

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Deedle posted:

The Netherlands. Pedestrians aren't drivers, so they can't have right-of-way. Pedestrians are just part of 'traffic'. Ofcourse there are situations where you have to "allow all other traffic to proceed", but it is never technically worded in a way that pedestrians have right-of-way. For example you have to stop at a zebra crossing if a pedestrian is crossing or about to cross. The violation for non-compliance is categorised as a failure to stop, like at a stop sign or red light, not as a failure to yield right-of-way.

Though don't get your hopes up too much. There's also a law which states that in the case of a collision between a party who must have Insurance by law (motorists, mopeds, segways etc) and a party who isn't required to have insurance (bicyclists, pedestrians, herds of cattle etc) the party who is required to have insurance is always liable for damages to the other, even if the non-insured party was at fault.
So if a drunk student runs his bicycle into the fender of your Miata, your insurance is going to have to pay for his bent wheel and you have to drag his rear end to court and sue at ridiculous expense to get any money to fix up your car.

Hmm, brings back ~~frustrating~~ fond memories of driving through Amsterdam, dodging stupid tourists and 100mph locals on bicycles.

Amsterdam taxi drivers are amazing, give no fucks, yield to no-one, do 60kph everywhere.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:39

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Deedle posted:

The Netherlands. Pedestrians aren't drivers, so they can't have right-of-way. Pedestrians are just part of 'traffic'. Ofcourse there are situations where you have to "allow all other traffic to proceed", but it is never technically worded in a way that pedestrians have right-of-way. For example you have to stop at a zebra crossing if a pedestrian is crossing or about to cross. The violation for non-compliance is categorised as a failure to stop, like at a stop sign or red light, not as a failure to yield right-of-way.

So, you have to actually stop for them in places where they have priority, instead of just giving right of way? Sounds like a fairly minor distinction (other than the penalty applied for loving up), and even more in favour of the pedestrian than the alternative interpretation. I'd also be surprised if backing up weren't one of the situations where you have to allow all other traffic to proceed, but that's just based on the local laws here in Alberta.

Again, I'm vaguely curious where people are reversing their cars that you wouldn't have to stop for pedestrians. The only thing I can think of is parallel parking. Backing out of a drive? Pedestrians on the sidewalk have priority. In a parking lot? Pedestrians have priority. Does driving in England involve a lot of backing up in the middle of the street or something?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:51

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

You are literally the only person even loving talking about "legal" requirements.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:55

Mooseykins: Aug 9, 2013; Triangle tits and an annoying sex voice?

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PT6A posted:

Does driving in England involve a lot of backing up in the middle of the street or something?

While i don't want to restart that argument, London is a tightly-packed city, small roads, small spaces, dead ends. I frequently have to reverse in/out of such roads and dead ends, up alleyways, etc.

Even when they have right of way, people blindly walk out behind a moving vehicle, and as careful as you are, you can't watch every angle at once, no matter how slowly you're moving. It only takes a fraction of a second for someone to step out 2' into your path. There are plenty of time you're reversing out of an access road that crosses a pavement where people actually walk behind you and stop and stand in your path. Right of way or not, i can't sit there all day waiting for them to move, or keep getting out asking them to.

I have to reverse around open/blind corners, down roads due to obstructions, etc all day. This is not a city with all big roads.

As for reversing to parallel park, yes, people do step into the space you're reversing into, in order to cross the road. They're oblivious to the danger they put themselves in. My van has a big blind spot, i can have an entire car in it while driving, if they're close enough.

Right of way or not, sometimes they're just in the way and need to be told. I have honestly sat there, with all the lights going, revving the engine and beeping the horn while some oblivious/arrogant idiot stands behind me in my path. I could get out, get them to move, get back in, stick it in gear, take off the handbrake and have another idiot walk behind me. I'm genuinely not interested in right of way, i'm interested in the safety of those around me, and getting my job done. Getting beeped at is preferable to getting run over.

We disagee on the topic, sure, you're welcome to come here and see these idiots for yourself.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:59

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Mooseykins posted:

While i don't want to restart that argument, London is a tightly-packed city, small roads, small spaces, dead ends. I frequently have to reverse in/out of such roads and dead ends, up alleyways, etc.

Even when they have right of way, people blindly walk out behind a moving vehicle, and as careful as you are, you can't watch every angle at once, no matter how slowly you're moving. It only takes a fraction of a second for someone to step out 2' into your path. There are plenty of time you're reversing out of an access road that crosses a pavement where people actually walk behind you and stop and stand in your path. Right of way or not, i can't sit there all day waiting for them to move, or keep getting out asking them to.

I have to reverse around open/blind corners, down roads due to obstructions, etc all day. This is not a city with all big roads.

As for reversing to parallel park, yes, people do step into the space you're reversing into, in order to cross the road. They're oblivious to the danger they put themselves in. My van has a big blind spot, i can have an entire car in it while driving, if they're close enough.

Right of way or not, sometimes they're just in the way and need to be told. I have honestly sat there, with all the lights going, revving the engine and beeping the horn while some oblivious/arrogant idiot stands behind me in my path. I could get out, get them to move, get back in, stick it in gear, take off the handbrake and have another idiot walk behind me. I'm genuinely not interested in right of way, i'm interested in the safety of those around me, and getting my job done. Getting beeped at is preferable to getting run over.

We disagee on the topic, sure, you're welcome to come here and see these idiots for yourself.

Okay, maybe in that case, you have a point. I had no idea there existed a place where reversing outside of a parking situation was legal or regularly done, and I've certainly never seen a place where people will actually stand and loiter behind a vehicle with its reverse lights on. I'm thinking, like, you're backing out of a parking spot in a parking lot, and someone decides to walk behind you as they're allowed to do in a parking lot. It struck me as slightly prickish to honk at them when you could just wait for them to pass.

But, I suppose if it's actually a significant issue and other possibilities have been exhausted, then it makes sense. I've never seen someone simply stop right in the path of a vehicle, moving forward or backward, unintentionally.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:05

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

PT6A posted:

Okay, maybe in that case, you have a point. I had no idea there existed a place where reversing outside of a parking situation was legal or regularly done, and I've certainly never seen a place where people will actually stand and loiter behind a vehicle with its reverse lights on.

Don't get out much, do ya?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:08

`Nemesis: Dec 30, 2000; railroad graffiti

Are hella super tones not the preferred horn upgrade these days?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:13

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

PCOS Bill posted:

Don't get out much, do ya?

Okay, I have seen that in Havana, but having been there a few times, I'm not even entirely sure they have traffic laws at all.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:13

Mooseykins: Aug 9, 2013; Triangle tits and an annoying sex voice?

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PT6A posted:

Okay, maybe in that case, you have a point. I had no idea there existed a place where reversing outside of a parking situation was legal or regularly done, and I've certainly never seen a place where people will actually stand and loiter behind a vehicle with its reverse lights on. I'm thinking, like, you're backing out of a parking spot in a parking lot, and someone decides to walk behind you as they're allowed to do in a parking lot. It struck me as slightly prickish to honk at them when you could just wait for them to pass.

But, I suppose if it's actually a significant issue and other possibilities have been exhausted, then it makes sense. I've never seen someone simply stop right in the path of a vehicle, moving forward or backward, unintentionally.

The access to my old shop is a prime example, it's an alleyway off a main road, dropped kerb, so it crosses a pavement/sidewalk. The entrace is a little under 9' wide, with straight walls on either side so no round-corner visibility. (My van is a little over 7' wide with the mirrors.) There is a family centre next to the entrace. The people that go there frequently walk out the door without looking, pushing strollers or with their kids. Often they will stand in the access path and chat or just generally get in the way. I've been reversing out and had them stand behind me while i've got all the lights going and i'm beeping the horn, they're totally oblivious.

I've reversed in/out multiple times and had a kid run out or parent push a stroller with a child into my path, where even just rolling on the clutch i've had to slam on the brakes.

You'd think that the lights would be enough, but they're (apparently) not.

This is the access:

If i'm reversing out a space in a car park and someone strolls past, i wait. That's a different situation.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:17

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Fair enough; if people literally stand behind your car, oblivious, then perhaps the horn is necessary. I've never experienced that, even in similar low-visibility situations, and I have no idea why anyone would do that. I'm always nervous as gently caress when I'm walking past a low-visibility alley; I certainly don't loiter.

Now that the situation has actually been explained, I agree with you. I had this image of you blowing an airhorn at people who dare to walk behind you in a carpark, and it seemed very uncalled for.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:22

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

`Nemesis posted:

Are hella super tones not the preferred horn upgrade these days?

I'm talking about motorcycle application. I like the Nautilus sound for "something different and attention grabbing"

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:25

Mooseykins: Aug 9, 2013; Triangle tits and an annoying sex voice?

Fuuuuck youuuuu sluuuut!

PT6A posted:

Fair enough; if people literally stand behind your car, oblivious, then perhaps the horn is necessary. I've never experienced that, even in similar low-visibility situations, and I have no idea why anyone would do that. I'm always nervous as gently caress when I'm walking past a low-visibility alley; I certainly don't loiter.

Sometimes oblivious, sometimes just arrogant. Like "Oh they can wait, we need to discuss our kids' play dates for next week." type poo poo.

PT6A posted:

Now that the situation has actually been explained, I agree with you. I had this image of you blowing an airhorn at people who dare to walk behind you in a carpark, and it seemed very uncalled for.

While i'm the first to admit that i'm a van-driving oval office, i'm not that much of a van-driving oval office.

PCOS Bill posted:

I'm talking about motorcycle application. I like the Nautilus sound for "something different and attention grabbing"

GIANT DUCK CALL

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:26

Raluek: Nov 3, 2006; WUT.

All you need is a really loud exhaust with a loping idle. Punch them in the face with your exhaust pulses. BLAP-uh BLAP-uh BLAP-uh

If they can hold a conversation behind your hotrod, you're doing something wrong

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:30

NoWake: Dec 28, 2008; College Slice

Coming back to this thread with 50 new replies:

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:35

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Raluek posted:

All you need is a really loud exhaust with a loping idle. Punch them in the face with your exhaust pulses. BLAP-uh BLAP-uh BLAP-uh

If they can hold a conversation behind your hotrod, you're doing something wrong

Got that, doesn't help. Hi-viz gear, doesn't help.

Might have to upgrade to a Serbu Super Shorty and some Dragon's Breath rounds to be seen.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:43

`Nemesis: Dec 30, 2000; railroad graffiti

Raluek posted:

All you need is a really loud exhaust with a loping idle. Punch them in the face with your exhaust pulses. BLAP-uh BLAP-uh BLAP-uh

If they can hold a conversation behind your hotrod, you're doing something wrong

Contrary to popular belief, loud pipes not only don't save lives but they are loving useless unless you need your ego stroked

Thanks for the tip on the horns, I might upgrade the horn on my bike sometime soon.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:48

Tarantula: Nov 4, 2009; No go ahead stand in the fire, the healer will love the shit out of you.

To keep the reverse chat going a little longer, when I did roadworks I worked with a road stabilising company, i've lost count the number of people that would not only walk through the site and behind reversing equipment but they would happily walk behind a reversing large sized stabiliser :psyduck:

. I'm on my phone but when I get home i'll try and find a picture of one to give an idea of how incredibly stupid it is to walk near it without the driver knowing you are there.
E: here we are, this bastard here.

Tarantula fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Mar 12, 2015

# ? Mar 12, 2015 08:26

xergm: Sep 8, 2009; The Moon is for Sissies!

PCOS Bill posted:

Oh, thank you for that reminder too, I need to order that Stebel Nautilus I've been eyeing for years. My bike's horn makes an adorable but useless toot.

Using the horn on mine makes me think of the Roadrunner. "MEEP! MEEP!"

# ? Mar 12, 2015 17:46

Knobjockey: Jul 21, 2003; Crush your enemies.
Bang! and the alien is gone.
Hear the lamentation of Dr. Vahlen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W3rMB0SaW4

Red lights optional.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 17:53

Fo3: Feb 14, 2004; RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

I watched that, but also I have watched the clips from Australia, and you have nothing on us. It's scary out there down here.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 18:14

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Knobjockey posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W3rMB0SaW4

Red lights optional.

Okay, this puts the airhorn argument in more context: apparently in the UK, it's not considered obligatory for either pedestrians, nor it would seem motorists, to actually pay any attention to what they're doing, where they're going, or their immediate surroundings.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 18:47

Militant Lesbian: Oct 3, 2002

PT6A posted:

Okay, this puts the airhorn argument in more context: apparently in the UK, it's not considered obligatory for either pedestrians, nor it would seem motorists, to actually pay any attention to what they're doing, where they're going, or their immediate surroundings.

Where do you live? It's the same in the US.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 18:54

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

HotCanadianChick posted:

Where do you live? It's the same in the US.

I was just going to say, that literally describes driving in the US.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 19:46

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

HotCanadianChick posted:

Where do you live? It's the same in the US.

Canada. It seems like people here at least know they're doing the wrong thing and do it anyway.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 20:42

Mooseykins: Aug 9, 2013; Triangle tits and an annoying sex voice?

Fuuuuck youuuuu sluuuut!

PT6A posted:

Canada. It seems like people here at least know they're doing the wrong thing and do it anyway.

Driving in Quebec is just like driving in Paris. They all drive like loving nutters.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 20:46

nitrogen: May 21, 2004; Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

`Nemesis posted:

Are hella super tones not the preferred horn upgrade these days?

I bought this thing to replace the horn on my GS500 but apparently the wire on the factory horn was just frayed so I repaired it.

http://www.amazon.com/Wolo-419-Bad-Boy-Horn/dp/B000F5DQWY

I might reattach it to something but it probably requires a wiring upgrade and i'm too lazy for that poo poo.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:10

InitialDave: Jun 14, 2007; I Want To Believe.

I had some idiot get indignant with me when he stepped out in front of me without looking. It was just not possible to get into his head that this is a ton and a half of metal with 40-year-old drum brakes. Whether or not I want to hit you is but an interesting footnote to reality.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:13

jamal: Apr 15, 2003; I'll set the building on fire

Durango tailgating and driving erratically just now, dented all to poo poo. Pulls up next to me and the girl is doing her makeup. Also kids in the back seat.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:16

MrKatharsis: Nov 29, 2003; feel the bern

There is an RSX Type S in my apartment complex lot that acquires a new dent every few months. Most recently it is missing its entire rear bumper. I feel so bad for that poor car. I feel almost as bad for the brand new scion XB that they bought to replace it.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:29

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

MrKatharsis posted:

There is an RSX Type S in my apartment complex lot that acquires a new dent every few months. Most recently it is missing its entire rear bumper. I feel so bad for that poor car. I feel almost as bad for the brand new scion XB that they bought to replace it.

Cars are disposable, duh! :haw:

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:33

Geoj: May 28, 2008; BITTER POOR PERSON

InitialDave posted:

I had some idiot get indignant with me when he stepped out in front of me without looking. It was just not possible to get into his head that this is a ton and a half of metal with 40-year-old drum brakes. Whether or not I want to hit you is but an interesting footnote to reality.

but but pedestrians have the right of way in all siuations! :qq:

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:39

Siochain: May 24, 2005; "can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."

PT6A posted:

Canada. It seems like people here at least know they're doing the wrong thing and do it anyway.

Not here in Ontario. Its loving disturbing and scary. People are terrible drivers, and have no concept of "drive to the conditions".

# ? Mar 12, 2015 21:47

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Guy in an SUV squeezed past me in light traffic on my motorcycle, in my lane, to get to the left turn ahead of me... that I was signalling for. Proceeds to slam his brakes and swerve to block both lanes the second I come around the turn after him (we made it through the same break in traffic) and continue at 5MPH watching me in the rear-view mirror while swerving all over and laughing like a retarded chimp on acid. With oncoming traffic he was dodging around.

I was too busy trying to figure out what the gently caress to even get a look at his plate, I just know it was a silver... LandRover of some sort.

I really need a GoPro or similar.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 22:22

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Mooseykins posted:

Driving in Quebec is just like driving in Paris. They all drive like loving nutters.

Quebec is an exception. If you change lanes like a Quebecer anywhere else in the country, you'll be honked at (see my earlier comment, whee I did just that).

I should rephrase my earlier comment: Canadians drive like garbage, but at least it seems like a very predictable sort of garbage. It's comparatively rare that they do unexpected retarded things; usually, they just do retarded things that you can see coming from a mile off with experience.

# ? Mar 13, 2015 01:49

tuna: Jul 17, 2003

Another redlight runner spotted today. This guy was completely oblivious to the light and probably on autopilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wrQjRj_gIU

# ? Mar 13, 2015 03:07