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I keep reading Elite Squad 2 as Police Squad 2 and am getting increasingly annoyed there will never be a Robocop film with Leslie Nielson as the lead.
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Wild T posted:To be fair the machines were stupid in their creator's image. I tuned the movie out after Skynet turned out to be Helena Bonham Carter's giant face giving an exposition-filled monologue to Sam Worthington's character. Why the hell would an AI bother explaining itself to one of its drones, anyway? Marcus wasn't a robot. He was a person who happened to be loaded with prosthetic 'upgrades' - the exact same setup as Murphy in this film, down to the transmitter on the back of his head. The AI bothered to explain itself because it could not bypass speech and directly control Marcus. It put on a human face in order to appear relatable, the joke being that it sucks at being human. Skynet rationally explains that it's in Marcus' best interests are to serve it. It doesn't expect him to do the 'irrational' thing and kill himself.
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Feb 28, 2014 23:06
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Marcus wasn't a robot. He was a person who happened to be loaded with prosthetic 'upgrades' - the exact same setup as Murphy in this film, down to the transmitter on the back of his head. Gonna have to rewatch Salvation now, the way I remember it Marcus-the-person was long dead and gone, Skynet just used his face and reconstructed some memories for him after wrapping a special terminator chassis in Marcus-skin. The reason he wasn't as durable as other terminators was because of these alterations that would help him pass as human (and presumably this is why he had a human heart, to simulate a pulse, idunno the movie was kind of dumb).
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Feb 28, 2014 23:14
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WarLocke posted:Gonna have to rewatch Salvation now, the way I remember it Marcus-the-person was long dead and gone, Skynet just used his face and reconstructed some memories for him after wrapping a special terminator chassis in Marcus-skin. The reason he wasn't as durable as other terminators was because of these alterations that would help him pass as human (and presumably this is why he had a human heart, to simulate a pulse, idunno the movie was kind of dumb). I thought he was too, a full terminator, but according to the Terminator wiki he's exactly like Robocop. quote:The project began with Marcus Wright, who donated his body as a test subject. He was successfully transformed into a cybernetic organism, his skeleton replaced with a hyper-alloy replica while still retaining key biological components such as the brain, organs, eyes, and curiously his gums and teeth (though these could have been prosthetic). The result was a stronger, faster, and more resilient vessel in which he could survive beyond death. http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid
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Feb 28, 2014 23:17
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poptart_fairy posted:I keep reading Elite Squad 2 as Police Squad 2 and am getting increasingly annoyed there will never be a Robocop film with Leslie Nielson as the lead. Dead or Alive it looks like you picked a bad day to call me Shirely. Yeeeeah I got nuthin.
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Mar 1, 2014 01:49
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poptart_fairy posted:I keep reading Elite Squad 2 as Police Squad 2 and am getting increasingly annoyed there will never be a Robocop film with Leslie Nielson as the lead. If you want to see something like that, look into NTSF:SD:SUV:: -- it comes very close to Police Squad's anarchist spirit, and they have a Robocop parody in the episode "Hawaii Die-O" with Ed Helms.
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Mar 1, 2014 02:01
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So it turns out there's another Robocop remake out right now. I haven't watched it yet but here is a clip http://vimeo.com/86014703 Looks like you can watch the whole thing at http://www.ourrobocopremake.com/ quote:Our RoboCop Remake is a crowd-sourced film project based on the 1987 Paul Verhoeven classic. Connected through various filmmaking channels (including Channel 101) we're 50 filmmakers (amateur and professional) from Los Angeles and New York who have split the original RoboCop into individual pieces and have remade the movie ourselves. Not necessarily a shot-for-shot remake, but a scene-for-scene retelling. As big fans of the original RoboCop, and as filmmakers and film fans admittedly rolling our eyes at the Hollywood remake machine, we've elected to do this remake thing our own way.
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Mar 1, 2014 06:19
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Just saw this and hey, I actually liked it. I'm sure my opinion would be different if I had actually seen the original  but I really cannot handle blood and gore, which I have heard the movie features heavily.The guy playing Murphy in this was not the best actor, and some of the sfx were a little ehhhh, but overall I think this was pretty decent. I genuinely felt something when Murphy saw what was left of his body and his first reaction was "oh dear god, kill me". I also thought they did a good job making RoboCop seem intimidating- the suit and the sounds he made were well done, and in the action scenes he moved just robotically enough that it looked alien and frightening without going into bad cgi territory. Holy crap though this movie was not subtle. They should have just had the actors hold up signs with "I AM BILL O'REILLY" and "I AM STEVE JOBS" on them, it would have been about as blunt.
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Mar 1, 2014 06:59
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EgoEgress posted:Just saw this and hey, I actually liked it. I'm sure my opinion would be different if I had actually seen the original  Go see the original. Right now.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:07
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LeJackal posted:
Seconded. RoboCop is one of those movies everyone needs to see. Right up there with Goonies.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:10
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It's on my todo list, really- I know it's a good film. My watch list is getting massive, though; a trekkie friend is planning on making me watch all the old movies so I can know how bad the new ones are.  Really, though, with remakes my philosophy is to treat the new ones as completely separate entities. I find it helps me enjoy more films, and even if they suck, it's not like the old movie is gone. Just pretend this new movie isn't RoboCop if it makes you feel better.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:20
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EgoEgress posted:It's on my todo list, really- I know it's a good film. My watch list is getting massive, though; a trekkie friend is planning on making me watch all the old movies so I can know how bad the new ones are. Holy poo poo have you been living under a rock? At least tell me you've seen the original Red Dawn.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:22
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I am so sorry your first Robocop experience was with the remake 
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Mar 1, 2014 07:27
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WarLocke posted:Right up there with Goonies. WarLocke posted:At least tell me you've seen the original Red Dawn. Don't watch either of these movies.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:28
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penismightier posted:Don't watch either of these movies. This man is so wrong. He probably also didn't like Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:30
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EgoEgress posted:It's on my todo list, really- I know it's a good film. My watch list is getting massive, though; a trekkie friend is planning on making me watch all the old movies so I can know how bad the new ones are. Why are you still posting? Go watch the original.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:31
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penismightier posted:Don't watch either of these movies. Seconding The Goonies, but the old Red Dawn rules. And penismightier and I are almost universally opposed on good film, so anything we agree on has to be good.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:35
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If that's all it takes to shock you, my movie history would put y'all into comas: The only Terminator movie I've seen is Salvation. I've never seen Goonies or The Sound of Music or Back to the Future or the first two Indiana Jones'- pick a beloved classic, I probably haven't seen it. Most of my life I've had no interest in movies; it's only now that I'm starting to get into them a bit at a time. I'm probably the lowest common denominator. But come on now, this wasn't that bad of a movie. Not amazing, and I'm sure it doesn't hold a candle to the original, but I still liked it. Edit: I do solemnly swear not to post in CineD again until I have seen the original RoboCop.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:35
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Holy poo poo we need to make a list of movies for this guy to watch. No BttF? Watch that poo poo before RoboCop, gently caress.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:37
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EgoEgress posted:If that's all it takes to shock you, my movie history would put y'all into comas: The only Terminator movie I've seen is Salvation. I've never seen Goonies or The Sound of Music or Back to the Future or the first two Indiana Jones'- pick a beloved classic, I probably haven't seen it. Most of my life I've had no interest in movies; it's only now that I'm starting to get into them a bit at a time. I'm probably the lowest common denominator.
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Mar 1, 2014 07:40
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Ferris Bueller is overrated!
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Mar 1, 2014 08:04
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Please tell me you've at least seen Predator.....
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Mar 1, 2014 08:22
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No man you have to watch THIS 80's movie from my childhood. You're all showing your age 
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EgoEgress posted:Edit: I do solemnly swear not to post in CineD again until I have seen the original RoboCop. Ignore them. I've met a handful of people who have not seen the original Robocop, so this will make an interesting test case regarding the remake.
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Mar 1, 2014 17:41
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Vintersorg posted:Ferris Bueller is overrated! I'll cut you.
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Vintersorg posted:Ferris Bueller is overrated! You're a monster.
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Szmitten posted:No man you have to watch THIS 80's movie from my childhood. I'm 22.
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I was 4-5 years old when Predator, Robocop, and Aliens came out. I think I got into Terminator when T2 came out. I grew up watching these on VHS over and over again. I consider them essential young male education, hope my stepson doesn't think they suck when he's old enough to watch them.
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Having rewatched this, I noticed a couple of things I didn't the first time around that I really liked. Both are more subtle than I realized on the first go-round. One: Every review I've read seems to focus in really hard on the drones in the movie. This is funny, because the movie is not even in the ballpark of discussing the ethics of drones. Military drones are remote-piloted, not robots, and inherently different. What the movie is focusing on, like the original, is the militarization of police to the point that they may as well be robots. When police perceive themselves to be at war lethal response becomes an automatic response, even to a nonsensical threat - like a kid brandishing a knife at a fifteen foot tall combat robot. It's directly attacking the 'us vs them' mentality of many police. Two: An extension of this are the two weapons given to Robocop. An incredibly lethal .50 Beowulf submachine gun and a nonlethal taser are shown to be practically interchangeable. He's only shown deliberately using the taser when dealing with 'face' characters that are important to the plot. When it comes to random thugs and mooks he's firing far too fast to even determine which weapon he's using. It drives home a solid point that force is force, and that the taser and the gun are rapidly becoming interchangeable. We've all read dozens of stories of real life police tasing people for increasingly petty infractions, ignoring escalation of force policies and utilizing less-than-lethal response as a crutch and a shortcut.
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Saw this last night. Am I alone in thinking that they were teasing a possible sequel and future villain in the Philadelphia police officer that Pope called "Masculinity Incarnate" while Norton said that he had a temper and that said temper would pose an issue? Overall, I liked the film. Doesn't live up to the original, but as a stand-alone it holds its own decently enough.
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Scyantific posted:Saw this last night. Am I alone in thinking that they were teasing a possible sequel and future villain in the Philadelphia police officer that Pope called "Masculinity Incarnate" while Norton said that he had a temper and that said temper would pose an issue? That would actually be a bad-rear end sequel. Oh I kept meaning to address: someone a while ago was asking what the deal was with the artwork change in Sellars' office partway into the film. Three months had elapsed, so it was just to show change in time. The entire police precinct goes from dilapidated to plastic, shiny, and new as well.
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Another shining example of the private sector doing what public sector doing could not.
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Show this remake to somebody who has never seen the original Robocop. Then do what I did with my brother and Total Recall: Show them the original. I had the biggest grin on my face hearing him react to the effects(the escalator scene got him the most) and was pleased to know he liked it better than the director's cut of the new TR and we got into a long discussion about the ambiguity of the originals ending. This might not end so well if you do it with a senior citizen
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I watched the new Robocop again and I think I picked out one of the main reasons why I like it so much--like Watchmen, it plays heavily with viewer cognitive dissonance. Multiple conflicting ideas are depicted simultaneously, each presented on the surface--as given and accepted as good, then you had to figure out which side you (or the movie) actually stood on. As a kind of result of that, the original movie was more obvious in its satire, but the new one is no less savage or biting. The old one does it and asks you to join in on the laughter, the new one does it and asks you to participate. ^^^ There was a director's cut? What did they toss in there? VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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api call girl posted:^^^ There was a director's cut? What did they toss in there? Basically any scene where someone dies, in the director's cut the die a lot more. Murphy and Kenny get absolutely shot to pieces (literally in Murphy's case). The neck-stabbing involves a lot more squirting. That sort of thing. I don't really recall any 'deleted' scenes, just a lot more brutality in scenes that were already fairly shocking before. Edit: I'm dumb and don't understand what arrows are Wild T fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Wild T posted:Basically any scene where someone dies, in the director's cut the die a lot more. Murphy and Kenny get absolutely shot to pieces (literally in Murphy's case). The neck-stabbing involves a lot more squirting. That sort of thing. I don't really recall any 'deleted' scenes, just a lot more brutality in scenes that were already fairly shocking before. I think he was talking about Total Recall DC, the new one.
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RoboCop (1987) Is an Almost Perfectly Symmetrical Film This is actually really interesting to consider
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api call girl posted:I watched the new Robocop again and I think I picked out one of the main reasons why I like it so much--like Watchmen, it plays heavily with viewer cognitive dissonance. Multiple conflicting ideas are depicted simultaneously, each presented on the surface--as given and accepted as good, then you had to figure out which side you (or the movie) actually stood on. It is a real conundrum. Do I side with the the guy that is being used by the lovely greedy villain or do I side with the lovely greedy villain?
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Finally got around to watching this because I'm awful at supporting movies in a timely manner and HOLY loving poo poo this was fantastic. As if there wasn't a massive amount of supporting evidence for this mindset already, it's just another example of why I'll never trash a remake before actually getting to experience it myself. Though I'm sure it didn't hurt that I went into the film with some pretty positive vibes after remembering that massive nerdrage article about the leaked script where AVClub reviewer (or whoever) couldn't tell a sass-hole from his rear end in a top hat.
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