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Urit
Oct 22, 2010


Negromancer posted:

Yup, still in seattle. I am now a Sr DevOps Engineer on the cloud services team.

Sup Cloud DevOops buddy - Microsoft instead of HP over here, but not for long thankfully.

You gotta love managers who think "DevOps" means "you get an ops team and dev team all in one!" and forget that you can't commit to software release timelines while also actively working incidents. That's what pisses me off every day.

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mewse
May 2, 2006



nitrogen posted:

Can someone explain to me why people that infect their orgs with cryptolocker aren't immediately fired?

Hearing so many stories about how companies are getting multiple infections (sometimes from the same person) and I hear people spending so much energy on preventing infections instead of terminating employees who are too stupid to follow some simple security rules? I guarantee if people started getting canned over stupidity that is required to infect with cryptolocker, it'd probably do wonders.

As the old guard retires there will probably be increasing computer literacy expected of staff, but it is going to be a long slog

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

mewse posted:

As the old guard retires there will probably be increasing computer literacy expected of staff, but it is going to be a long slog

Computer stupidity is a career thing, not an age thing.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?


computer parts posted:

Computer stupidity is a career thing, not an age thing.

that's my point. It's a thing because it's allowed.

I'm ranting so badly today because I had two calls today, both with CTO's, one who didn't understand the difference between UDP and TCP, and the other who blames me for their failure to understand the difference between gigabyte and terabyte on a contract they signed.

mewse
May 2, 2006



computer parts posted:

Computer stupidity is a career thing, not an age thing.

It's definitely an age thing. Boomers weren't expected to know how to use a computer because the PC revolution happened when they were already middle aged. Right now, the 60yo department head isn't going to lose his job for being computer illiterate, because his job is building widgets, not how to use email. As we go forward, these people age out and the excuses for destroying a network will become much less accepted. A baseline of computer literacy will be more strongly enforced.

afflictionwisp
Aug 26, 2003


nitrogen posted:

Can someone explain to me why people that infect their orgs with cryptolocker aren't immediately fired?

Hearing so many stories about how companies are getting multiple infections (sometimes from the same person) and I hear people spending so much energy on preventing infections instead of terminating employees who are too stupid to follow some simple security rules? I guarantee if people started getting canned over stupidity that is required to infect with cryptolocker, it'd probably do wonders.

Our's came through the user's gmail account, and our internet usage policy doesn't state that people cant check their personal email. That poo poo is now filtered, and the domains for the most common mail providers are black holed on our DNS servers, but no grounds to fire the person responsible.

GentlemansSleepover
Apr 26, 2010


mewse posted:

It's definitely an age thing. Boomers weren't expected to know how to use a computer because the PC revolution happened when they were already middle aged. Right now, the 60yo department head isn't going to lose his job for being computer illiterate, because his job is building widgets, not how to use email. As we go forward, these people age out and the excuses for destroying a network will become much less accepted. A baseline of computer literacy will be more strongly enforced.

I wish I could believe this. I have several friends in their 20s-30s who are every bit as computer illiterate as my grandmother, and just as proud of it. I'm guessing my experience is not unique, however much I hope it is.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


mewse posted:

It's definitely an age thing. Boomers weren't expected to know how to use a computer because the PC revolution happened when they were already middle aged. Right now, the 60yo department head isn't going to lose his job for being computer illiterate, because his job is building widgets, not how to use email. As we go forward, these people age out and the excuses for destroying a network will become much less accepted. A baseline of computer literacy will be more strongly enforced.
It's cool, we'll be just as incompetent in something new that we don't understand once we get up there in years.

Becoming this scares me more than literally anything else in the world.

Helushune
Oct 5, 2011



TWBalls posted:

Oh, boy... Looks like Dell has updated their support site again. So far it hasn't pissed me off, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time. I know when they changed it the last time (probably about a year ago) and a ton of links were dead, that was pissing me off daily.

I gave up on their support site back when none of the links would load/take over 5 minutes to load under Chrome. I started using ftp://ftp.dell.com/Pages/Drivers/ with ctrl+f to find what I want and have never looked back.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

nitrogen posted:

Can someone explain to me why people that infect their orgs with cryptolocker aren't immediately fired?

Hearing so many stories about how companies are getting multiple infections (sometimes from the same person) and I hear people spending so much energy on preventing infections instead of terminating employees who are too stupid to follow some simple security rules? I guarantee if people started getting canned over stupidity that is required to infect with cryptolocker, it'd probably do wonders.

Being bad at computers is still a completely reasonable excuse in all bad organisations, and there are a lot of bad organisations.

mewse
May 2, 2006



Misogynist posted:

It's cool, we'll be just as incompetent in something new that we don't understand once we get up there in years.

Becoming this scares me more than literally anything else in the world.

It's not that bad, I don't "get" twitter and I'm only 31

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


I'm 27 and don't get Vine or Pinterest, but I do get Twitter.

But I can create a Vine or Pinterest account and figure out how to use it, meanwhile my wife of the same age can't even handle Twitter, or really anything that isn't Word and Facebook.

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies

mewse posted:

It's definitely an age thing. Boomers weren't expected to know how to use a computer because the PC revolution happened when they were already middle aged. Right now, the 60yo department head isn't going to lose his job for being computer illiterate, because his job is building widgets, not how to use email.

No it isn't. I've got quite a few family members all younger than I (I'm only 34) that are computer illiterate. Most people are a lot like my brother, they don't care how it works or if they're doing it wrong, they just want it to work. (Yes, he's since bought a Mac and yes, he's asked me for help figuring out how to do stuff on it as well despite my lack of Mac knowledge).

Hell, I can't even begin to count how many times we've gotten tickets for COWs not working when the issue was that they either:
Didn't plug in the COW so now the battery is dead.
or
They didn't bother unplugging the COW before walking off, so now they've ruined yet another power cord.

This isn't even 'computer knowledge', this is simply plugging/unplugging something, which has been around longer than computers have and they still can't get that right.

quote:

As we go forward, these people age out and the excuses for destroying a network will become much less accepted. A baseline of computer literacy will be more strongly enforced.
Hahaha! I wish I had this kind of optimism.

Paul ReiserFS
Dec 28, 2006


when i die, bury me inside the lambic store






Smellrose

FISHMANPET posted:

I'm 27 and don't get Vine or Pinterest, but I do get Twitter.

But I can create a Vine or Pinterest account and figure out how to use it, meanwhile my wife of the same age can't even handle Twitter, or really anything that isn't Word and Facebook.

Vine is Video Twitter.

Pinterest is "Like"ing things on Facebook consolidated to one website.

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies

Helushune posted:

I gave up on their support site back when none of the links would load/take over 5 minutes to load under Chrome. I started using ftp://ftp.dell.com/Pages/Drivers/ with ctrl+f to find what I want and have never looked back.

For the most part, I usually just grab the cab file (From here) with all of the drivers and then import it into MDT, but occasionally still hit up the site to download individual updated drivers/BIOS/FW updates. I really should start using that FTP page instead.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Do not ingest.

mewse posted:

It's not that bad, I don't "get" twitter and I'm only 31

Really, #AnythingThatUses #HashtagsAndOtherPunctuation @ReallyBugsMe #ForSomeReason.

One thing not pissing me off today: The continued joy that is VMware. I am in the middle of deploying 20 VMs for a new project and I am planning to have them spun up by the end of the day.

Purchasing, racking, cabling, configuring, installing 20 1U pizza boxes via remote colo smart hands folks is not something I ever want to do again. Kids these days don't know. They just don't know...


Something pissing me off, though? Our DNS system (when it's working) is totally hosed (and it currently isn't working). For some reason, this 20,000 person company decided to go with a home-brewed DNS management solution that some guy cobbled together using a MySQL box and some perl. And this DNS system just poo poo the bed due to a storage problem in one of our data centers. There are so many things wrong with this I don't even

How hard would it be to migrate to active-directory integrated DNS? Holy poo poo guys, we have something like twenty domain controllers scattered throughout our enterprise. Is that redundant enough for you? No? The machine hosting the MySQL box is better, huh?

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Ham Wrangler

mewse posted:

As we go forward, these people age out and the excuses for destroying a network will become much less accepted. A baseline of computer literacy will be more strongly enforced.

Right about the time we also get to experience the paperless office, yes siree.

Misogynist posted:

It's cool, we'll be just as incompetent in something new that we don't understand once we get up there in years.

Becoming this scares me more than literally anything else in the world.

My mother was once CIO for an entire school district and now sometimes even the most intuitive functions of her cell phone absolutely baffle her. Someday I might be just like her, and it is a terrifying thought.

Gweenz
Jan 26, 2011


Sirotan posted:

Right about the time we also get to experience the paperless office, yes siree.

See also: the 32 hour work week. There will be no "changing of the guard" when the boomers retire/die. Technology was supposed to make our lives easier, but it hasn't. Mostly this is because we focus our technological efforts towards consumer products. So, instead of working less, we work more because we suddenly have to dedicate more time and money towards consumer technology. Think about this, 30 years ago your phone was a simple static device that was attached to a wall in your kitchen. It made phone calls and nothing more and did not require a class at the tech college to operate it. Now your phone is a computer with a host of applications, all of which require time and money to understand and utilize. It's not just phones, it's everything, televisions, cars, even refrigerators. This is all very overwhelming and as such, we are becoming more and more specialized to deal with the vastness of our technology.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


FISHMANPET posted:

I'm 27 and don't get Vine or Pinterest, but I do get Twitter.

But I can create a Vine or Pinterest account and figure out how to use it, meanwhile my wife of the same age can't even handle Twitter, or really anything that isn't Word and Facebook.
Pinterest's biggest demographic is women in the Midwest, so that doesn't surprise me.

gently caress me, I've committed way too many useless startup facts to memory since I started working at one.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


Misogynist posted:

Pinterest's biggest demographic is women in the Midwest, so that doesn't surprise me.

gently caress me, I've committed way too many useless startup facts to memory since I started working at one.

Interesting, because my GF LOVES pinterest... and we live in the midwest

I had also never heard of pinterest until she brought it up.


I'm also of the generation that started growing up with computers, albeit not as advanced as they are now, I was 5 when we got a 286, maybe slightly younger. I have zero desire for twitter/vine/wtfeverflavoroftheyearis. Although snapchat I'm marginally interested in and might start using.


I have literally never even loaded the twitter or vine websites and probably half of the other social media crap except facebook, myspace(what happened to you pornspace), and linkedin.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.


Nap Ghost

I'm on a conference call and one of the guys keeps saying the word Cloud, and I'm mentally replacing it with the the word Butt.

nzspambot
Mar 26, 2010





code:

top - 10:51:17 up 52 days, 21:11,  2 users,  load average: 4.17, 4.29, 4.68

ps -ef | grep java | grep Bootstrap | wc -l
23

I love java

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003


MF_James posted:

I'm also of the generation that started growing up with computers, albeit not as advanced as they are now, I was 5 when we got a 286, maybe slightly younger. I have zero desire for twitter/vine/wtfeverflavoroftheyearis. Although snapchat I'm marginally interested in and might start using.

Twitter is great for knowing when service providers are having issues they're not talking about, I use it for that all the time.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


sanchez posted:

Twitter is great for knowing when service providers are having issues they're not talking about, I use it for that all the time.

Haven't had to deal with outages from comcrap in a while, but thanks for the insight!

ratbert90
Feb 12, 2009
JUST FUCKING STOP, JESUS H. CHRIST


Negromancer posted:

As much as I fought it, I am converted to ubuntu server as well. It just drives me crazy since Ubuntu was originally started as a "easy to use" linux desktop offshoot of debian, but now they hold a pretty good share of servers. Part of me would rather just use debian, but ubuntu has more packages for it.

Part of me still loves CentOS, but they are so slow to update their official repo packages its a pain in the rear end.

Yeah, Cent is great if you are controlling domains or firewalls, but the packages it comes with are ancient and not well suited for stuff like Android source hosting or modern Bugzilla/php stuff.

Hopefully someday the Ubuntu certification won't be a laughing stock of Certs.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


ratbert90 posted:

modern Bugzilla

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002



Soiled Meat

I compiled Bugzilla on CentOS

edit: but it was certainly the biggest pain-in-the-rear end of anything I've done with our servers.

Still I'm pleased with the OS. In a few years of doing this stuff, I've never had it cause a fault of any kind that wasn't user-error. I couldn't imagine using Ubuntu on a server.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at Nov 7, 2013 around 23:28

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


gently caress compiling anything on Linux these days when you can just load up a Bitnami appliance all ready to go.

namol
Mar 21, 2007


PCI compliance. We had a breach last year some where in the card data environment and so visa is coming in to audit us this year. They've blown this poo poo off for around 10 months and now it's hurry up and get it done. We can't have the PCI vlan touch the VMware servers because of some bad magic or some poo poo. We're using jump boxes to get into the PCI environment and we're connecting to those with dameware. Why we're not going with a terminal server running max encryption and two factor authentication? Because someone could have a key logger installed on their PC. This whole thing is a clusterfuck and I highly doubt we'll pass this audit with flying colors. I'm beyond flabbergasted with dealing with this. We're taking all the advice from these consultants instead of making well informed decisions. God drat I need a drink

dotster
Aug 28, 2013



namol posted:

PCI compliance. We had a breach last year some where in the card data environment and so visa is coming in to audit us this year. They've blown this poo poo off for around 10 months and now it's hurry up and get it done. We can't have the PCI vlan touch the VMware servers because of some bad magic or some poo poo. We're using jump boxes to get into the PCI environment and we're connecting to those with dameware. Why we're not going with a terminal server running max encryption and two factor authentication? Because someone could have a key logger installed on their PC. This whole thing is a clusterfuck and I highly doubt we'll pass this audit with flying colors. I'm beyond flabbergasted with dealing with this. We're taking all the advice from these consultants instead of making well informed decisions. God drat I need a drink

There is nothing like a bunch of PWC 23 yr olds fresh out of college telling you how to run your IT department.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



sanchez posted:

Twitter is great for knowing when service providers are having issues they're not talking about, I use it for that all the time.

I just installed a Twitter App in our ticketing system so that we could update during outages and maintenance windows. I was pleasantly happy with how simple it was.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

Misogynist posted:

It's cool, we'll be just as incompetent in something new that we don't understand once we get up there in years.

This is not bad in and of itself. But see, here's the difference. If I have a job where someone pays me money, and this job involves using some kind of tool, I will learn how to use that tool. Because that's my job.

Staff whose job it is to notify the whole company about policy changes and events and mandatory meetings should know how to send an email without causing the exchange server to catch fire, is all I'm saying.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.


Nap Ghost

I managed to drain the batteries on my headset twice today from conference calls I didn't need to be on.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

dotster posted:

There is nothing like a bunch of PWC 23 yr olds fresh out of college telling you how to run your IT department.

Holy poo poo, this. What we have due to PCI is insane.

Bohemian Cowabunga
Mar 24, 2008



Web application not accepting email addresses with a dash as valid

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!

Pillbug

Helushune posted:

I gave up on their support site back when none of the links would load/take over 5 minutes to load under Chrome. I started using ftp://ftp.dell.com/Pages/Drivers/ with ctrl+f to find what I want and have never looked back.

Do not use that, it is no longer updated!

Go to http://ftp.dell.com instead, they have messed it up with javascript and poo poo, but it's still quicker than the support web page.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


dotster posted:

There is nothing like a bunch of PWC 23 yr olds fresh out of college telling you how to run your IT department. business

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005


Goddamnit, something broke monitoring on at least one server and I only noticed that things went to hell because I needed to send an email.

Apparently someone interpreted "this service is for small files only" as "hey, let's just upload a pair of 8 gig VM images onto this filesystem with only 15 gigs free, what could go wrong." Goddamnit, users.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

DON'T BE A CUNT AND I PROBABLY WON'T LAUGH AT YOU WHEN YOU GET RAPED.

PROBABLY.


Bohemian Cowabunga posted:

Web application not accepting email addresses with a dash as valid
This. Pretty much every web form I have ever seen on a project has totally broken email address validation (my favourite one was not accepting dots BEFORE the @ sign. The bug that required the user part of the email address to be more than 6 characters when my work-assigned address had 5 letters before the @ was amusing too though) and when it's brought up the usual response is "oh, we're not fixing that, I am certain the email address you are trying isn't valid anyway" - if you're lucky then email address validation gets removed, and given how baroque the specifications for what is or is not a valid email address are then that's probably the best you are going to get.

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bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006



GentlemansSleepover posted:

I have several friends in their 20s-30s who are every bit as computer illiterate as my grandmother, and just as proud of it.

Pride in ignorance pisses me off so much, especially that curiously middle class anti-intellectualism focused on the sciences. People who sneer at anyone who reads trashy books, yet also boast of how little they understand maths or computers.

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