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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Hey Yay! I missed you thread.

poo poo pissing me off: SMEs who are not experts and don't know their subject matter at all.

In this case the "SME" is a guy whose complete knowledge set about an application is that "When you click X, Y happens. If it doesn't, uh, reboot?" and you are trying to put together a migration plan but aren't allowed to, you know, actually access the servers themselves.

This application apparently has been a black box to everyone involved with it since the original guy who set it up left a few years back. I am actually impressed by the robustness of his setup though. The poo poo has basically been running in unattended mode for three years and it's been running merrily along...

I, however, am hosed. More.

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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Scaramouche posted:

Oh thank god. I didn't want to rub elbows with those grimy people who deal with "tickets" that "come in".

Pissing me off:
MSSQL SSIS Import from CSV.

Need to import a csv of customers and orders from a turnkey ecommerce solution. No problem! Let's just make an SSIS package for that bad boy. Too bad I have to:
- Add a semi-colon to every line because SSIS can't seem to figure out CR/LF, CR, or LF
- Track down what the gently caress encoding the file is in (Swedish??)
- Manually specify the data type and length for every single column because some data gets bigger past the 250 row 'preview' range
- Do this over and over and over again mixing and matching settings because the SSIS wizard will forget your settings every time you press back/next.

Hah hah ha. I feel your pain, brother. Iterating over the definitions makes me nuts as well. Especially when, like you said, data goes bonkers after your preview limit (I thought it 1,000 rows, though).

You try to keep whitespace to a minimum by keeping column widths narrow, but after so many attempts varchar(50) gets pretty loving appealing.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Lum posted:

Only thing worse than printers is lovely attempts to implement paperless offices.

My first exposure to a horribly broken attempt at a paperless office and document management was based around a foxpro database. The loving thing was so horribly broken that they designers' concept of scalability of the database was to add another USB disk to the back of the server that was dedicated to the foxpro DB files. After a while of using this shitpile the disk filled up so they bought a second disk and just redirected links to there for newer data. Then that disk filled up so they added a third, but realized that the server only had two USB ports so they bought a hub for "limitless expandability!" If a disk failed? "We are really sorry about your data loss. I'm sure there are really good data recovery companies out there somewhere!"

USB hubs with disks attached. They go all the way down.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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WebSense posted:

Access to this web page is restricted at this time.

Reason:
This Websense category is filtered: Sex.

WebSense pisses me off daily.

Today's random filter of the day is that this, the second page of an IT bitch thread, is being filtered because somehow it is flagged as having sexual content. How dare you interrupt my browsing.

Well done WenSense! Well done!

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Meh.



Actually zebra loving machines works because I can see this page.

I wonder if it's loving tool.


edit: nope

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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GargleBlaster posted:

If I didn't have control over everything from my desktop out to the internet, I'd be pretty scared about using SA at work. Given how much I've vented about them, with some ventings being very personal towards some very high up people, I don't think my career would take a very positive turn if it was all being quietly logged by some web sense thing somewhere...

But think about it: There's a NetEng guy who is near-burnt-out and bitter just like the rest of us watching that device. Do you think he really gives two shits about parsing the logs for people browsing a comedy site?

Of course we are all on record for visiting SA. It's right there in the logs. But unless we are loving off badly and they're looking for an excuse to fire us, those logs will remain unviewed.

It's like people who freak out when they discover that we have access to their mailboxes. Do they really think we have the time or the inclination to browse through all of your boring as hell daily emails for that one potentially tasty gem of gossip? gently caress that.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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underlig posted:

That i today, after fiddeling with it since thursday morning, learned that the reason i can't do windows update on a freshly installed XP is because IE8 and KB2870699 wasn't installed. (Just 100% cpu for 24+ hours for the windows update service). (And that microsoft.com makes IE6 lock up for 30+ seconds)

That i had to learn how to get windows update to run on a freshly installed XP (EOL:ed software that only works there with printers and everything).

That i felt like i couldn't ask here if anyone's had problems with XP and windows update lately because i figured i would get told to do what the frog says..

This is me in full retard mode. I should seriously know better.

Mistake number 1:

I realized that I had a PCs worth of old kit lying around so I asked my mom is she wanted another computer to replace her lovely HP that she uses for photo editing (read: cropping and emailing). This is an AMD X2 5200+ with 8 gigs of ram, a GTX 5200 PCI GPU and a DVD-burner.

Now it has a $20 wireless card to be able to print to Mom's printer.

Mistake Number 2:

Saying "Okay" when she said that my father might be using it so it needs to look like what he has now so could I put Windows XP on it?

Mistake Number 3:

Ditto with Office 2000.


So now I had to struggle with the exact same XP SP3 not doing windows updates properly until I do some manual downloading of updates to bring it up to a level where updates work.

THEN hunting down an old Office 2000 CD and installing it. Immediately uninstalling Office Assistant because holy loving poo poo. Clippy. I'd forgotten about that shitheel.

THEN realizing that I've just committed to tech support for this POS when I'd so successfully conditioned my mom to buying Dells with gargantuan superdeluxe warranty support just so I wouldn't have to do exactly what I am now doing.

Dammit Agrikk! It's like I forget, then have to go through this kind of poo poo once every five years to remind myself why I don't do IT for family. Nothing has even gone wrong yet. I just know that it will...

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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roflsaurus posted:

I figured this was one of the better threads to ask, but feel free to redirect me if I'm wrong.

I'm a CJ / developer for my small company. We have two Hyper-V hosts that have a few Win2k3 VMs that we haven't gotten around to upgrading (ain't broke, don't fix, etc, etc).

I'm now ready to replace our main virtual file server from 2k3 to 2012 (for a number of reasons). Rather than deal with the butthurt of peoples UNC shortcuts changing and mapped drives breaking, can I do an in-place switch over a weekend and keep the same hostname (lets call it fs01).

I'd rather do a fresh install of 2012 rather than in place upgrade. Lots of cruft on that 2003 box....

i.e.

- Create new 2012 VM but don't join to domain
- Kick everyone off on a Friday night
- Remove 2003 machine from AD and shutdown
- Rename 2012 machine to the new hostname (fs01).
- Join 2012 VM to AD
- Attach VHD from 2003 machine to 2012 machine as readonly (temporarily)
- Copy files to new VHD on 2012 machine
- Re-share all the folders

viola....everything works on Monday? \\fs01\butts will work the same?

Or is there some AD / kerberos stuff I'm not aware of and it will all blow up in my face when people can't get to their butts?


The way I've done file server migrations (P2V, P2P, V2V) without mucking with VHDs:

- Create new 2012 VM and join it to the domain as Server2
- Robocopy all data from Server1 to Server2 preserving all security attributes
(with the /SEC or /COPYALL flag)
- Use this registry export/import technique to copy the share information from Server1 to Server2
- Kick everyone off on a Friday night
- Remove server1 from AD and shut it down
- wait until AD change has propagated
- Rename Server2 to Server1
- restart the lanmanserver service on the new Server1



Protip: You should master this technique by building a test 2003 file server and a test 2012 server and practice with some scratch data on a few test shares.

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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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roflsaurus posted:

I just wasn't sure how gracefully AD handles a new server with the same name as an old (albeit removed) server.

Just as long as you give AD time to replicate changes between steps you'll be fine.

I did a migration like this in a hurry one time and things got a little hinky for a while because I didn't give AD enough time to propagate the "delete old server info" step before the "create new server as old server name" step.

Replication finally sorted itself out after a little bit, but during that time there were authenticated user access issues.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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nitrogen posted:

Customer bought a netapp for their environment. A mostly WINDOWS environment, I might add.

So today I get asked to build a VM for this customer, so they can serve their NFS shares via Samba.

... instead of buying a CIFS license.

They REFUSE to spend the money on a cifs license. The yearly cost for the VM would nearly pay for the CIFS license.

I dont understand people sometimes.

I don't understand this. Why wouldn't they just buy a windows server with direct attached storage? I mean a low-end Dell 1U server with a MD1200 (or whatever the current model number is) would work just fine if all you want to do with your filer is serve up shares.

Am I missing something?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Roargasm posted:

The Linux guy is sinking his talons into the whole department for job security

Indeed. But unless there's some additional requirements that weren't listed, it's like going out and buying a tow truck as your daily driver. Sure it'll work, but not quite right and you'll have paid for all of this extra functionality that will go to waste.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Lum posted:

What are the actual advantages?


Save and share files in the Cloud!

Revamped user interface for a smoother experience!

Revamped licensing model!

None. There are no advantages over 2010.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Sirotan posted:

Good news everyone! We no longer have an HR department.

Outsourced that poo poo to ADP, did you?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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hirvox posted:

Today I learnt that our domain administrators automatically delete any machine accounts that haven't been used in three weeks.

What a pointless exercise. What is their justification for doing this?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Phatty2x4 posted:

Maroon - Hah. Haven't heard that since bugs bunny

What a maroon
He's a guli-bull
He's a nin-cow-poop


My favorite:

What a ta-ra-ra-goon-dee-aye

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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TWBalls posted:

I can't say for certain, but I seem to recall reading that it was ngen.exe compiling stuff in the background that was the culprit.

Oh god .Net patches.

Yes, there are some .net patches that force a recompile of the environment and releasing that patch to a set of VMs makes for a loooong night...

Edit: new poo poo that pisses me off: "smart" photo viewer software

Until the entire world uses smart photo viewer software, and every piece of software capable of rendering an image autorotates, please for gently caress's sake take a moment and make sure your photos are rotated properly.

I love visiting a web page and seeing a picture of the CEO on its side because someone took the picture with an iPhone and loaded it straight to the page.

What cracks me up the most is seeing pictures of hardware porn posted to "tech web sites" by users who ought to know better. Yes, that is a cabinet of thousands of dollars of gear, but you posted it on its side and then couldn't be bothered to edit it once you posted it. Stay the gently caress away from MY gear, then.

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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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QPZIL posted:

SIGH... But if the Sr. Engineer strikes it down, guess that's two months of work down the drain. Guess we'll go with an in-house storage server with no mobile access forever.

Young grasshopper, seeking buy-in from the principal players is of Utmost Importance for any project. Get this before you do any research on your own. Your Engineer might have been afraid for his own job, or having a bad day, or whatever when he shot down your solution, but it doesn't matter because this might have been the first time he was introduced to it.

Office Politics 101: Nothing actually gets decided during meetings. The real work in getting a project approved happens in hall-calls and informal conversations at the water cooler and this is where you get the "votes" for a project. By the time you walk into any meeting, you should know the outcome before the meeting even starts.

On the bright side, you now have all this technology knowledge in your pocket for the next time this subject comes up, so it isn't entirely wasted effort.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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anthonypants posted:

Well, we've got five retention folders in your Outlook Inbox: _01 Year, _05 Years, _10 Years, _20 Years, and Permament.

In the last twenty years, having worked for exactly one company that has existed longer than five years (and that was a city government), I got a perverse delight in the optimism involved around creating 10 year, 20 year and Permanent folders.

More like:

Inbox
_Crazy Months
_Good Years
_Fading Hopes
_Oh Please Buy Us
_I'm the last guy here. Guess I'll burn this to DVD and shut the lights off now.

Agrikk fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2013 around 21:07

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Humphreys posted:

I remember Pegasus WinMail used to piss me off royally!

loving Pegasus. loving Mercury.

One of the few freeware email servers available for Windows once upon a time. Horribly intermittent spam detection stuff, kludgy administration... Eeeesh!

I just flashed onto the little red logo of theirs and had to go look it up. Imagine my surprise to find it still being developed:

pmail.com posted:

The Mercury Mail Transport System is a full-featured mail server for Windows and Novell NetWare systems. It is extremely fast and robust, feature-rich and extensible, yet consumes very little in the way of system resources or bandwidth.


Edit:

Hah hah hah 800 downloads in the last 13 years for the NetWare NLM version. Hell yeah.


Agrikk fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2013 around 17:38

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Guesticles posted:

So before I accept an offer, I'm going to want to make sure the budget exists to refresh their desktop hardware, and update their microsoft licensing. Does anyone any experience with this sort of thing? They have an IT consultant running things (who will be playing sort of CITO and covering my time off going forward) and from what he says and the impressions I got during the imperson interviews they're interested in getting their house in order.

There is nothing wrong with asking more details about the project before you sign.

Who are the principles driving this effort? Is it the CFO/CEO/CIO or just some random Manager? If it's a manager, does he have the full support of the C-type?

What is the budget for this project? Has money been set aside for this refresh or will it need to be fought for?

What does this position look like if there is no funding for he refresh? What are the expectations for the daily role if there's bandaids and duct tape to work with?


You will probably not get hard numbers out of these people at this stage. What you are looking for is "soft responses" from the panel. Do they shuck and jive? Do they seem like they have a solid plan with solid funding and C-level sponsorship?

Good luck!

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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mewse posted:

It's not that bad, I don't "get" twitter and I'm only 31

Really, #AnythingThatUses #HashtagsAndOtherPunctuation @ReallyBugsMe #ForSomeReason.

One thing not pissing me off today: The continued joy that is VMware. I am in the middle of deploying 20 VMs for a new project and I am planning to have them spun up by the end of the day.

Purchasing, racking, cabling, configuring, installing 20 1U pizza boxes via remote colo smart hands folks is not something I ever want to do again. Kids these days don't know. They just don't know...


Something pissing me off, though? Our DNS system (when it's working) is totally hosed (and it currently isn't working). For some reason, this 20,000 person company decided to go with a home-brewed DNS management solution that some guy cobbled together using a MySQL box and some perl. And this DNS system just poo poo the bed due to a storage problem in one of our data centers. There are so many things wrong with this I don't even

How hard would it be to migrate to active-directory integrated DNS? Holy poo poo guys, we have something like twenty domain controllers scattered throughout our enterprise. Is that redundant enough for you? No? The machine hosting the MySQL box is better, huh?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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CitizenKain posted:

I'm on a conference call and one of the guys keeps saying the word Cloud, and I'm mentally replacing it with the the word Butt.

That's funny, because western digital is running a commercial for their MyCloud shitheap, with a bunch of people sitting on clouds doing whatever.

When I saw the commercial last night I started laughing my rear end off because I'd envisioned a plug-in for tv replacing clouds with butts, and could imagine everyone sitting on a huge rear end.

I tried to explain it to people over last night. With the expected blank looks. People just don't understand.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Rhymenoserous posted:

hoots and whistles

This made me chuckle for some reason.


Pissing me off: Power-off roulette in a datacenter.

A Thing has been powered on uninterrupted for over two hundred days. I power it off to move it up a rack unit to make room for another device and it died.

Let's see... Fight with 3-hour warranty support on a Friday afternoon or let it be until Tuesday and hope that no one was planning on using it over a three day weekend?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Paladine_PSoT posted:

AT E1Q0V1X4 &C1 &D2 S0=0 S11=34

Oh holy hell and gently caress you for bringing this poo poo back to my active brain.

I remember spending loving days on modem strings when trying to set up a PPP stack on windows 3.1, because I wanted to launch gopher while mudding dammit!

Dial ISP via PROCOMM. Contact how-to BBS for PPP information. Hang up. Try PPP connection (that fails). Hang up. Dial ISP via SLIP connection. Contact How-to BBS for different PPP configuration stuff. Hang up. Repeat.

"Kssshhhh-weeeeeeeee-drrrrrrrkkkkkk-sssshhhhhhhh-TICK."



Also Crescenthawks Revenge was a loving awesome game.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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gently caress yeah. Wensense is blocking the edit page due to Adult Material. But Quote still works.

I'd love to know what triggered this time.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Are you nerds really debating the proper command for a technology that no one has used in twenty years?

Awesome!

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Paladine_PSoT posted:

Best warnings ever.

I would love to know the thought process involved with someone trying to make a cat gargle. Anything I can imagine seems more like cat water boarding than cat gargling...

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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rolleyes posted:

Sorry to ruin your ideas of Brits water-boarding their cats with disinfecant, but TCP is a general disinfectant (not just for gargling) so it's probably more "don't use it to disinfect your cat's wounds as your cat will lick it off and then die".

Hah hah hah! Well okay then, that makes more sense. The things you learn from an IT bitching thread...

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Another grammar/spelling rant:

"CPU's" is pissing me off.

The PM from my last post about CPU core counts is still trying to figure out why two CPUs with eight cores each is "better" than four single core CPUs, and that a VM provisioned with one CPU with four cores is essentially the same as two CPUs with two cores each or four single core CPUs.

All of this talk is bringing "CPU's" to the forefront of my plate of shrimp syndrome and now I am noticing that poo poo everywhere.

The CPU doesn't have possession of anything. gently caress you.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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FISHMANPET posted:

And yeah, it's purely for software that's licensed per CPU rather than per core.

Additionally, when you configure a multicore vCPU for a VM, you lose the ability to hot add/remove additional CPUs on the fly. So there's that.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Drighton posted:

Yeah, I want to say Ms SQL licenses per core now?

Mostly.


Because Microsoft cannot have a straightforward licensing plan that everyone understands, they have to gently caress up the straightforward counting of the cores on a database box with the SQL Server 2012 Core Factor Table.

loving guys.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Yes! More of today, please!

I've been pushing string uphill for the last week trying to get some fiber storage connected to some physical servers that have been racked and cabled for over a year (they're a part of our organization's IaaS offering), so all that needs to be done is for the Storage Operations team to provision the volumes and get them zoned.

I've been fielding requests for more information for a week now, despite the fact that really, all they need is:

server name
connection alias
two world wide names
volume sizes

and then go with their normal standards for high-availability, multipathing, etc.

Yesterday I get a late call from a storage guy saying he needs to meet with me today because he's having a configuration problem, so maybe I can sit with him and help him out.

So I go over there this morning and the help he needs is "How do I change the color of the text in a putty session from grey to green?"

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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poo poo not pissing me off today:

My lab gear is finally set up for now.

After struggling to find a decently performing iSCSI SAN configuration (HP P410 RAID controller with 512MB BBWC and Windows Server 2012 - who knew?), hard drive additions, case upgrades and other reorganization and whatnot - my poo poo is up and running, monitoring, alerting and emailing. And folding.

It's incredible. I feel... complete... somehow.



And yes, I have an unhealthy relationship with my gear. I need to unplug.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Rhymenoserous posted:

Give it a few years. I'm at the point now where I break out into hives at the thought of doing anything IT related at home. Last year my girlfriends PC started blue screening regularly. I looked at it for about five minutes and just went and bought her a new one.

I hear you and used to be like this. IT stuff was for the workplace and home was for unwinding.

Unfortunately the gig I have right now as Windows Deployment has turned me into a YesNextNextIAgreeNextNextFinish monkey. I've turned to my lab as the place I go to keep my chops up or else my skillset would die a slow death of a thousand ClickYes-es.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Sweevo posted:

I picked this up at work some years ago:



It's a 40MHz 486DLC - a 486 upgrade chip that fits a 386DX motherboard.

I remember upgrading a chip, I want to say it was a 386 but I can't be sure, to a 486DX4 running at 100MHz using one of those wonky voltage converters.

That thing was the cat's rear end, man. I remember that was when I realized that PCs were not big boxes but were made out of components that could be changed piecemeal. It was an eye opening experience.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Swink posted:

Are there services out there for testing the upload speed of a link? I need to verify the capacity of our newly installed internet link. Everything Google turns up like speedtest.net is a tiny upload file which is usually finished in 5 seconds.

I need to have a sustained upload over an hour or more so I can point to a graph and say "Yes this link is maxed at 20mbit"

Seconding/Thirding the torrent route.

Seed a bunch of different Linux distros and you'll clobber a 20mbit link easy.

MF_James posted:

God why can't people just label things 1, 2, 3 etc till infinity! Or at the very least, label the same at BOTH ENDS.

Wait, what? Who the hell decides the ends of a drop don't need to be named the same?

I get that people come up with bizarre drop labeling schemes, but to not label the endpoints the same thing makes for all kinds of crazy.

I once ran into a scheme where some guy somewhere took a floorplan with the drops indicated and scrolled down it with a straight edge, labeling each drop as he moved the ruler down the page. So drop 1 was at the top left of the paper, drop 2 was at the top center of the page and drop 3 was at the top right, etc.

It made sense in theory, but the problem was that the floor was broken up into suites that led to different wiring closets. So each closet had a seemingly random number sequence.


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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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SEKCobra posted:

Any advice welcome. Can't for another 2 years so...

Why are you stuck there for two more years?

I cannot think of any reason whhat would bind you to them for another day. Start looking for a new gig and save up your cash for your gently caress Off time so you can give them zero days notice and take a two week holiday between jobs when you get that new gig lined up.

It sounds like everyone in your organization is poisoned against you and everyone wins if you leave.

Agrikk fucked around with this message at Dec 5, 2013 around 19:27

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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SEKCobra posted:

A lot of courses and stuff are part of this job and I need those to stay in my position. Also its not like everyones against me, just that my boss doesnt want to deal with problems and is really short sighted, as well as some of his pals that now work under him being really horrible people.

Yeah, but you want to cry.


If you need the courses for the job, and you don't want the job, then don't take the courses and leave the job.

Unless the courses for some industry-wide thing like a CCIE or some other high-value cert, at which point you have to choices:

1. Maybe this is a bad day and you are in the poo poo and it's all piling up on you and you are feeling overwhelmed. So go home, lift heavy things, play video games or drink or whatever and hope that tomorrow somehow makes everything better.

OR

2. YOTJ and get another outfit to land you the courses you need for whatever you need them for.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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Gweenz posted:

Stop being so dependent on your "career"

If corporations are so evil, stop working for them.

Stop being part of the problem, and start being part of the solution.

Gweenz posted:

I am very sorry to hear about your wife, but that should give you even more incentive to fight for yourself, and her.

Yes, because when you have a sick spouse is when you have all that extra energy to organize or unionize or change jobs (putting continuity of care at risk) or change careers or start your own business.

Go spout that sanctimonious drivel somewhere else.


Ultimately I agree with you in that I wish people wouldn't come to work sick, but they do and will continue to do so until it makes sense for them to not do so. When coworkers come in who are sick, I ask them to arrange to telecommute if possible or take a sick day because I consider it rude to come in sick. But if they come in sick there's really nothing I can do about it. In the mean time there's always Purell, vitamin C and green tea.

Agrikk fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2013 around 23:28

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Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

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HalloKitty posted:

Kind of sad, because Netware used to be pretty awesome, and had many features Windows was only having wet dreams about.

Then it became apparent that Microsoft Windows was going to be the desktop OS of choice, Microsoft made their server offerings usable, and that was pretty much that...

The tale of NetWare makes me sad. I loved working in NetWare (my first cert ever was a CNE) and like you said, their functionality was way ahead of Microsoft.

But Microsoft advertised and Novell didn't and I started getting ignorant Directors and C-types coming in to my office asking if I'd heard about Windows Server and how "everyone is using Microsoft now" so why weren't we?


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