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Heath posted:Because this whole thing has basically become irony-as-humor's natural apex. Sincere insincerity, much like an addictive substance, requires more and more of a commitment of constant one-upmanship, moving from expressing sincere-insincere sentiment to sincere-insincere action and wraps around itself, back into genuine sincerity. More to the point, this is where the lines between pretending to care for a joke and actually caring are so blurred that we find ourselves staring at a Kickstarter page for a hotdog stand in Alabama that, if it ever actually opens, at least a small handful of goons will sincerely-insincerely take time out of their schedules and their lives to take a trip, a pilgrimage if you will, across several states, to ironically eat a mediocre hot dog in an unattractive portion of the southern United States. Irony is an Oroborous, devouring its own rear end in a top hat, and this Kickstarter was the impacted colon that the snake choked on. The biggest irony of all being that the FYAD posters, who have made a posting career out of irony, seemed to be way ahead of everyone else, who at this point I still can't gauge why the gently caress any of this actually happened or whether anybody really believed in the dream. The whole "heh, we were donating ironically the whole time!" after the wheels started to come off is stupid. People donated because it was hilarious and stupid, but also because they felt like they were helping some poor dude accomplish his lifelong dream.
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Oct 28, 2013 00:43
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Honestly the best case scenario 80s movie feelgood idea would be great and all, but this feels like the natural progression. Smashmouth VS eggs part 2. It's just the way things are. It'd be cool if he somehow pulls it off anyway and everything is sunshine and rainbows and hotdogs but even as-is it's yet another hilarious goon project far as I'm concerned.
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Wario In Real Life posted:Read this and tell me how much irony vs sincerity you see: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3571910&userid=95860 It is stupid, but that's my point. It was kinda stupid from the get-go. It occupies that weird border between objectively dumb and potentially actually turning into something cool. So people could donate ironically at first and they get their jollies whether it fails or not, but change their reasoning for doing so in the first place after the fact. I'm sure there's an actual name in psychology for this kind of thing.
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Oct 28, 2013 00:50
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Oct 28, 2013 00:53
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Hahaha people are still posting defending this incredible waste of money.
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Guys guys when we had five page discussions of how the plaque in our honor (HAHA I DON'T MEAN PLAGUE BOY WAS THAT A HILARIOUS JOKE) should look it was ironic ok?!
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HUG ME FOREVER posted:Hahaha people are still posting defending this incredible waste of money.
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Stop giving money to kickstarters some random guy starts you clowns.
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Oct 28, 2013 01:06
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Tears In A Vial posted:Did anyone post these yet? What the gently caress, wasn't this supposed to be a goddamn concession stand? When did it turn into a restaurant?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What the gently caress, wasn't this supposed to be a goddamn concession stand? When did it turn into a restaurant?
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Overbite posted:Stop giving money to kickstarters some random guy starts you clowns. The opposite of this, and with more fervor.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What the gently caress, wasn't this supposed to be a goddamn concession stand? When did it turn into a restaurant? When it turned out the concession stand violated a state zoning law by about two feet.
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My nest egg is also made of mechanically separated pork and rat parts.
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Heath posted:It is stupid, but that's my point. It was kinda stupid from the get-go. It occupies that weird border between objectively dumb and potentially actually turning into something cool. So people could donate ironically at first and they get their jollies whether it fails or not, but change their reasoning for doing so in the first place after the fact. I'm sure there's an actual name in psychology for this kind of thing. Sunk cost fallacy, something that is also well-known to people with degrees in psychology.
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Irony schmirony, I donated a hundred bucks because I live like 15 minutes away from this place and I wanted my 30 free goddamn frog dogs.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:Irony schmirony, I donated a hundred bucks because I live like 15 minutes away from this place and I wanted my 30 free goddamn frog dogs. Finally, someone I actually feel bad for in the thread.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:Irony schmirony, I donated a hundred bucks because I live like 15 minutes away from this place and I wanted my 30 free goddamn frog dogs. I will give you 30 free hot dogs if you give me $100 dollars.
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Did that goon ever end up buying renaissance man wayne's painting? or was that just the hype talking?
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Anyone who donated and flip-flopped to bashing this guy is pretty stupid. If you're going to poo poo on anyone it should be yourself for feeling dumb for donating in the first place because he's still the same dude with the same motivations that you supported a few weeks ago. If you still want him to succeed then cool, but if you don't then bashing him is really just highlighting the fact that you were a moron.
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Smeed posted:Anyone who donated and flip-flopped to bashing this guy is pretty stupid. If you're going to poo poo on anyone it should be yourself for feeling dumb for donating in the first place because he's still the same dude with the same motivations that you supported a few weeks ago. If you still want him to succeed then cool, but if you don't then bashing him is really just highlighting the fact that you were a moron. I didn't donate, didn't find the thread until the KS had closed, but I'd like to see him succeed. I like little unpretentious restaurants, operated by the owner, where the menu is simple and doesn't include artisanal local-sourced cheese or whatever. However, I can't blame people for changing their minds on him. Initially, it sounded like he had a solid plan to make a little walk-up operation; he'd be operating on a really tight budget after getting set up, but it could work. Then the facade started to break. He got 200% funded, and rather than stick to the original plan and keep the excess funding as a buffer for operation, he decided to get a bigger place with indoor seating. Then there's the hood debacle. His belief that by getting 1000 Twitter followers, the bank will overlook his bad credit and give him a loan. I live in California, and my favorite BBQ place is run by the husband & wife owners plus a recent college grad who had studied cookery of some sort. I don't think they have an exhaust hood inside; they do the cooking out behind the restaurant, in a big steel barbecue contraption of some sort. And this is loving California, where they have to post warning signs for carcinogens on the door because they serve smoked food and artifically-sweetened soda. Why couldn't he have stuck to a little shack with a cash register, a sink, a prep counter, and a grill out back? He got extra funding and seemingly went nuts.
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guy in a jetta posted:why haven't you dipshits bought him an account yet? They are waiting on a mod to post a thread about the kickstarter to get him an account.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Why couldn't he have stuck to a little shack with a cash register, a sink, a prep counter, and a grill out back? He got extra funding and seemingly went nuts. Because it makes sense to start out with a simple low capital concept and then move on to something bigger if there's local demand. The Doobie story is pretty much the classic example of making all the startup mistakes such as starting out high risk and high capital. Biker Jim from Denver is a good example of how to do things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hJNb6VInOA Basically having the passion to try something new, making a interesting niche product and finally getting a financially solid business to eventually start a sit-down place. etalian fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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etalian posted:Because it makes sense to start out with a simple low capital concept and then move on to something bigger if there's local demand. He was told this, but Doobie's got all the answers 
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Overbite posted:Stop giving money to kickstarters some random guy starts you clowns. I will never stop donating randomly to clowns. Seriously though if you gave money to some random schmuck and figured he'd act in any way other than a typical random schmuck gifted by the fickle, flighty internet gods, I don't know what to tell you. It was doomed from the beginning based solely on who was running it. Small businesses are a complete waste of time and energy. Nigmaetcetera fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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etalian posted:Because it makes sense to start out with a simple low capital concept and then move on to something bigger if there's local demand. That's the thing, he had a relatively simple low capital concept--he thought he could get a shack together for $6k, even if that would leave him without the 6 months of operating expenses. Goons gave him double that, but because he didn't stick to the original plan, he's not going to get anything actually going. It's like some of the families I knew as a kid... if the parents got a bonus, they'd go buy movies or a new TV or a puppy instead of, you know, paying the loving delinquent electric bills. Then by the end of the month, it's back to bread and margarine for dinner. Just no drat sense for money.
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Pham Nuwen posted:That's the thing, he had a relatively simple low capital concept--he thought he could get a shack together for $6k, even if that would leave him without the 6 months of operating expenses. Goons gave him double that, but because he didn't stick to the original plan, he's not going to get anything actually going. It was "low capital" plan since he didn't do a good estimate for startup costs such as appeasing the vent hood demon or how the building was missing easy access to the sewer main. On top of that there's also the whole need to have adequate cash assets for at least a year of business since the first year is always the toughest.
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Ponce de Le0n posted:He was told this, but Doobie's got all the answers Guys don't worry he's got three weeks worth of frozen hot dogs and fritos. Smooth sailing from here   .DragonReach Ghost posted:Per my previous statement, doubled down. $1k total pledge, done and done. DragonReach Ghost posted:My son and wife agreed to forgo their xmas gifts for this, they thought it was worth more to do something for someone than to get something. Please tell me this isn't true.
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Wario In Real Life posted:When he got $15k instead of $6k. See THIS is what I don't understand. If the shack was a few feet too big for the zoning law to be considered a "concession stand", instead of trying to turn it into a full fledged restaurant, wouldn't it be considerably less expensive to pay a general contractor to knock down the wall and rebuild it a few feet smaller to fit in with the zoning laws for a concession stand?
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whatis posted:Is this what 15k worth of yucks feels like? I can't stop crying from laughter at work. This is the most surreal goddamn thing I've ever read in my entire life 15 thousand dollars will buy you - A 2010 Honda Civic - A failed hotdog shack - The Blair Witch Project
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Xarthor posted:See THIS is what I don't understand. Go big or go home.
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Tim Selaty Jr posted:15 thousand dollars will buy you
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Xarthor posted:See THIS is what I don't understand. The shack was a prefab shed to be moved to the site, which was part of the property of an antiques shop. There was no option of knocking down a wall. He has not detailed exactly why he couldn't put the shed there, only that it ran afoul of a state zoning regulation. The current building had the advantage of being available, since there aren't too many choices there.
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Look at him, he can barely type and form coherent sentences. He's probably dead from huffing Jenkem because he spent all your Christmas money on a lifted truck with 2 Confederate flags on the back and a loud muffler.
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Some enterprising goon should open up a literal shack before this guy even finishes his building. I'd throw money at a competing dog shack KS to shame this one.
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exquisite tea posted:It honestly owns that goons would sooner give $500 to some dumb redneck in Alabama for a hotdog shack than a local charity or like, their own brother. I work with undocumented students who can't legally get financial aid to go to school and the $17k you flushed down this guy's trailer park toilet could have paid for them to attend community college like four times over. That, sincerely, is hilarious to me. I give a lot more to charity (local and otherwise) than I threw at the hot dog shack. 
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