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sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

I'm guessing partly because he supports these programs and wants to make an example of Snowden to deter any future whistleblowers, partly because he regards Snowden's leaking as a personal slight, and partly because doing it would piss off the intelligence community and he fears their retaliation.

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sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Main Paineframe posted:

Leaking classified information is illegal by definition, though, and I'm not aware of any court decision that gives people immunity for breaking the law if you claim your actions were done in the spirit of nonviolent protest. If you think the information shouldn't have been classified, you can call it civil disobedience, but that still doesn't count as a legal excuse - you're breaking the law because you disagree with the law, but that doesn't somehow get you out of the possibility of criminal investigation or even jail time. Snowden appears to have been well aware that his leaks would likely get him prosecuted, which is why he got the gently caress out of US jurisdiction before going public about it - not because he feared he'd be singled out for ideological reasons, but because leaking this stuff was illegal and pretty much everyone who's gotten caught leaking classified information over the past few years has been prosecuted.

It's illegal for someone who's authorized to handle classified information the information to leak it; there is no such law for other people, as much as the US Government would like you to believe otherwise.

If they had a legal leg to stand on, they'd arrest everyone involved and put them under the jail, but they don't, so they resort to other means of punishment and deterrence. Like DDOS attacks and detaining people at the airport.

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Kalman posted:

You mean, someone like Snowden?

Yes, someone like Snowden, who not coincidentally has been charged with the very crime I spoke of.

The first poster was implying that all distribution of classified material is illegal in order to justify the quasi-legal actions taken against journalists and groups distributing the material.

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

JeffersonClay posted:

What if they gamed out possible reactions and concluded that warning Ukraine would cause a shooting war, without actually preventing Russia from invading?


If the response isn't public in nature, how can you conclude that our lack of knowledge of a response is evidence of a lack of response?

Why should they be given the benefit of the doubt? Given the apparent surprise they reacted with, the likely explanation is that they simply didn't realize Russia's true intentions (e.g. they misinterpreted whatever information they had).

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

SubG posted:

Apple has just announced that iOS 8 will no longer have a vendor backdoor. to access user data on an encrypted device, making it impossible (ostensibly) for Apple to turn over user data to law enforcement. Google has followed with a similar announcement about Android.

https://gigaom.com/2014/09/18/apples-warrant-canary-disappears-suggesting-new-patriot-act-demands/

In an interesting coincidence, Apple's warrant canary just died.

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sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Powercrazy posted:

Encryption isn't binary. Given infinite time all encryption is useless. But just because we don't possess perfect encryption doesn't mean that it is all worthless. The nsa still has finite storage and finite resources. Thus unless you are using a trivial "encryption "method Like ROT13 or something stupid, there is value in the average person clicking the "encrypt" button in WhatsApp. Even better if the encrypt button was default, and didn't depend on a central server for encryption to begin with.

I'd like to point out that a properly-implemented one-time pad is mathematically unbreakable without the key, even with infinite time.

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