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Alien Rope Burn posted:Agents of SHIELD is rocketing up the charts in ratings, yeah. Comic goons may or may not like it, but there are a lot of eyeballs on it, and that's what matters for Marvel and its partners.
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Waterhaul posted:It's just a shame that he's a giant so will be dead by the time the TV shows are being made.
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Waterhaul posted:The promo is only a few months old! 
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Soonmot posted:Twilight? fuuuuuuuuuck.
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Codependent Poster posted:This isn't true of all old TV shows. If they were on film, they can look pretty amazing nowadays. It's the shows that were filmed on video that look like crap. I Love Lucy actually looks pretty drat good on HD sets. So my first impression is that I'm shocked it's such a drat good sitcom. I was expecting spot-on genre pastiche and creeping Lynchian mystery/horror, I wasn't expecting it to be actually funny. But it is! People get genuinely good lines off! The magic show is a loving hoot! It was also so generally perfect in being the sitcoms it's pretending to be that I'm actually wondering if we're supposed to just ignore the anachronisms that do show up (that "show" isn't integrated until the 70s, Wanda's magic assistant outfit is basically porn by the standards of the setting), or if they're deliberately off-kilter touches. Kingtheninja posted:A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch.
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Exasperated Badger posted:In the second episode, when Wanda wins the talent contest, the way Dottie and the other ladies are acting has got some "Clap! Clap and smile for the monster so she won't wish us into the cornfield" vibes. The show does make more sense when you realise that Wanda's, to townspeople like Dottie and Vision's boss, an antagonist come to disrupt their lives and make puppets of them. There's definitely strong evidence for both "someone is doing this to Wanda" and "Wanda is doing this to herself", I think.
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I feel like this episode put a lot more weight on the "Wanda is doing this" side of the scale. Wanda made two overtly villainous moves: rewriting time again when she doesn't like what happens (and this time instead of the understandable motive of fear it's because she has no interest in discussing the unreality of their situation, which is much more selfish and also suggests she already knows what's going on and is okay with it), and not only advancing on Monica in a clearly threatening manner, but expelling her from the town. They quite pointedly don't show us what happened at the moment of confrontation, but the more obvious reading is that she did it on purpose, remembers it, and is intentionally lying to Vision. The neighbors snitching on Monica and whispering to each other are both shady, but on the whole Wanda looked much worse and they looked much more like prisoners this week. (And the sign existing outside of the sitcom bubble indicates that the town was a real place before whatever happened, it hasn't been invented out of whole cloth.) Also I gotta imagine that if COVID hadn't put everything into the eternal delay cycle, we'd already have Young Avengers officially confirmed as the Phase 4 cap-off movie. We now have confirmed Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Billy, and Tommy from the original team, plus Ms. Marvel and Ironheart (and I think I heard something about America Chavez being cast too?). At this point there's literally nowhere else they could be going with that. Also they need to just bite the goddamn bullet and drop the finished movies to Disney+, they're gonna have like one release a month in 2022 at this rate.
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Jagermonster posted:Yeah they clearly and specifically identified most of the people in the town except Agnes. So Wanda may be creating the reality but still lots of room for mystery as to whether she's being manipulated/nudged/influenced for whatever reason. Man seeing dead Vision was a punch in the gut. I really, really like the way they did this. Positing it as an in-universe sitcom was a neat trick to get some audience surrogates on the screen -- I alluded to it already, but the Big Board of Theories where the characters are asking themselves all the same questions the audience has been asking, right down to "what's with the hexagon motif" was great -- and it also answers a lot of background stuff and gives an avenue to feed further plot revelations to us. The characters and us are here, so now the characters can move forward and take us along organically. That's nicely done. I continue to hope that Wanda isn't the bad guy and that they're not setting her up for the villain of Spider-Man 3 and Dr. Strange 2, but my hopes are dwindling. I can no longer hope she's not the one doing this -- she clearly is -- I can only hope that she's either being manipulated or her powers are completely out of control and she's not aware of what she's doing (which got a brief nod in its direction when Wanda seemed to blank out and then return to her sitcom persona after ejecting Monica). As others have said, "woman can't handle her emotions and goes evil and so goddamn crazy" is a completely overdone story in the comics, was never a good look, and would be an even worse look here. And yes, Jimmy Woo taking some of his five years to learn close-up magic was just  .
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SonicRulez posted:You guys explaining The Vision is making me hate The Vision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLZDXWcr_Mc Vision is Ultron's ultimate expression of that.
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Okay, I'm going to be a little all over the place because god drat was that an episode, but I want to say this first: I am putting all my metaphorical chips on "Wanda isn't the baddie", as of this episode. There's a lot of reasons that I will babble about more in spoiler tags, but the simplest and most meta one is this: the answer they give you in episode 5 of a 9 part mystery is not the answer. Okay then: Everything about Wanda's appearance outside Westview is wrong. The accent is wrong, the attitude is wrong, her too-showy costume is wrong. We don't see her exit or enter from the Westview side. I don't believe she would just walk away and leave her kids alone. That was not Wanda. If I had to bet further, I'd bet that was Agnes -- who may be a Wanda, I'm starting to wonder about that, but is not our Wanda. Wanda is clearly not in control of everything. I believe her when she said Quicksilver's appearance was not her doing. She visibly had no idea what the "for the children" stuff was all about. Her powers don't work on the kids. And, incidentally, in an episode where "Wanda and the things she is and is not in control of" was the driving theme, her explicitly saying "I can't control you" to the kids is a massively important line. In a very, very loud episode, I found a particular bit of silence to be deafening. Nobody outside even mentions Agnes, let alone that they haven't ID'd her. After debriefing Monica? Really? They've got firsthand testimony now to Agnes being the most important supporting character in the "show", that she's Wanda's next-door neighbor, that she knows everything and is involved in every plot, and nobody finds it odd that they don't know who she is? Oh hey, and on that note -- Agnes is seemingly aware of the sitcom nature of the world. Wanda no longer feels any need to hide her powers or any other strange occurances, like the kids being able to age themselves up at will, from Agnes. Vision has twigged to Agnes' omnipresence and can predict that she'll come in already knowing what's going on and with just the item they need. And, in what I think is another moment conciously designed to get lost amid the thunderclap of the ending, when the kids broach the topic of "can Wanda's powers resurrect the dead" with her, Agnes is there, and she's very, very interested in hearing the answer. I don't think Wanda's doing this. Her rejoinder that she's in no way capable of puppeting around 3200-odd people to keep them all going about their daily schedule gets no answer and I think it demands one if you're going to put the blame on her. I think Vision has basically the right of it -- she figured out what was going on much faster than he did and she's been taking advantage. But she's not the prime mover. The reason the CAT scan and blood work weren't returning results on Monica is that she has Photon powers now. Bet you. The Quicksilver thing is so big I don't have any guesses, I'm just going to wait and see where that one goes. But one question: did he ever answer to "Pietro" in the X-Men movies? Wasn't he Peter in those? mikeraskol posted:I think the best tell is generic white guy in a suit is suddenly like "oh hey now I can show you this footage of her stealing Vision's body. It's like, ok dude, you showed me a really truncated clip and are being really aggro about her early mistakes and not the later incredible poo poo she did. Dude is evil. site posted:Also the baby pictures of vision were hilarious Also, I'm pretty sure it was a red herring, but having a dog named Sparky die after eating poisonous leaves was loving deliberate. I see you over there being cute, Marvel Studios! Also also, anyone else get major Too Many Cooks vibes when Vision just ignored the rolling credits and kept arguing right through them?
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TwoPair posted:I don't think I've seen anyone else mention it but I think the machine (X-ray?) that they're testing on Monica producing a blank image might be a sign that this is her power origin and now she's basically pure energy in a human suit like comic Monica.  , Monica Has Powers Now buddy
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So a thought occurs to me: how the gently caress are the Sokovia Accords not repealed, or at the very least, dead-letter law? The renegade Avengers were operating openly as a world peacekeeping force for the five years between the Snap and the Blip out of Avengers Complex and nobody seemed to have a problem with that. Like, seriously, what the gently caress is SWORD guy going on about? You have a problem with Wanda running around but not Natasha Romanov having multiple international and intergalactic forces reporting to her? Does that make sense to anyone?
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Another thought. If decade-appropriate things from the outside world can enter the Hex, and Wanda's decade-jumping, then doesn't the barrier effectively come down when she hits Modern Family mockumentary-style? In the MCU, repulsor tech existed by the 2010s.
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Gripweed posted:How is it character assassination?
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Gripweed posted:Once again we come back to my sincere belief that as a species we are capable of creating fiction that features moral complexity. I believe that a character can do something very bad and still not be irredeemably villainous. I believe that this can all be Wanda's fault but "murder Wanda and her children with a missile" is still not a reasonable response.
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One thing I really liked is how they're showing that everything is coming apart at the seams. In the early episodes, everyone was sincere, everything -- the costumes, the effects, the cameras, the screen ratio -- fit the time frame, and any deviations were obvious glitches that got quickly corrected. Now, though, Vision and Quicksilver are both clearly playing roles rather than living their lives (and Paul Bettany did some masterful work using his line readings to convey "look I will play along with this dumb script for the bare minimum amount of time and if you push me I'll bring reality crashing down around both our ears, Wanda") and everyone else is fighting to escape, the screen ratio has been anachronistically widescreen for the 80s and 90s episodes, the special effects in this episode were all modern CGI, there's continuity errors -- The Incredibles came out in 2004 and The Parent Trap in 1998, no theater is playing both of them simultaneously -- and what's somehow worst of all is that "the sitcom" seems to have just given up and is playing it all as normal. The way everyone dropped their ominous lines or flickered in and out of character with the too-bright lighting and jaunty pop-punk background music continuing on like this was an expected part of the show now creeped me out immensely. The rot has spread all the way to the roots. On other topics: Did Darcy ping anyone else's radar tonight? I think it's just that I'm too keyed into this being a mystery box show where any mistakes are deliberate clues, but "expert astrophysicist, super-hacker who can get through top-secret government firewalls with a laptop, and also is medical doctor too" was just... come the gently caress on. I'll accept that omni-capable poo poo from the people I'm told are super-geniuses, but Darcy's supposed to be a normal person. I'm pretty sure it is actually just lazy writing and not a clue and I'll just have to nod my head and agree that all forms of being Smart are basically interchangable as the price of admission, but to repeat myself, come the gently caress on. I loved Wanda showing exactly what she thought of SWORD. And finally, an answer to a very important question, I thought: confirmation that Vision doesn't revert to being dead with a gaping hole in his head when he breaches the barrier has several important ramifications. We now know that that, and her similar glimpse of corpse-Pietro, are PTSD flashbacks and she's not puppeting literal corpses around. It implies that Vision can survive outside Westview if he doesn't have a barrier dragging him back in, so this may not be his swan song after all. (Which is good!) And finally... that's an Infinity Stone in his forehead. And it didn't disappear. edit: Wait, one more thing. We now have three data points, which is enough to draw a trend, and that's that nobody has continuity of memory. Vision, Wanda, and Quicksilver have now each told a version of the same basic story: "Step 1: Trauma, Step 2: ???? Step 3: I woke up in Westview". CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Feb 13, 2021 |
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I mean, she didn’t pull up an executive summary of the blood work, she pulled up the results themselves complete with fancy close-up cellular analysis comparisons. She wasn’t saying “this says your blood work is bad”, she was saying “look, here’s your blood work, which I can understand to be showing bad results”. Maybe I’m just snapping at air because MCU things run on StarkOS and its defining feature is over-fancy graphic displays of everything, this isn’t a hill I care to die on.
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So, another thought: Vision wears his costume because it's literally the only clothing he owns this week (although this matters to a shapeshifter... why, exactly?) and because Wanda has a fetish for luchadors, ha ha, wink wink, wink nod. And Wanda wears hers because it's a traditional Sokovian fortuneteller's outfit, sure it is, nudge nudge, knowing laugh. Those are the given reasons within the sitcom. And Pietro, Billy, and Tommy wear theirs for absolutely no stated reason whatsoever. The question that's bugging me is, what's the actual reason? From the MCU perspective, these are not their traditional costumes. None of these characters are aware that there are other incarnations of themselves who either wear or once wore outfits that looked similar to what they dressed up as for Halloween. Who has that knowledge? We're being winked at. Who's winking? Who's breaking two sets of fourth walls to thrill an audience they shouldn't know is watching? I swear, it halfway seems like the sitcom itself is at least semi-sentient at this point.
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Marvel released a clip from tomorrow's episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAk32wCK18g Wanda referencing quarantine is a cute gag but it raises so many stupid questions. They had COVID-19 in the MCU? Is it COVID-23 there? Tony invented nanotech before he died, how quick did they get a vaccine out? Is that why Wanda -- who was alive for three weeks before the show started -- knows about quarantines but we don't see anyone wearing masks or anything? I'm nitpicking for the fun of it, but at least these are amusing questions to consider.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Hahah that ending. *chefkiss* Also, this show can do so much with just an aspect shift, and I think that's really neat. Saw the Agatha reveal coming all along, same as everyone else, and i've had my chips on "Wanda's not the baddie" since episode 5, so yay me. Didn't expect them to use a commercial to tease the Nexus of All Realities, of all things, though. That's... pretty loving neat!
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I understand why people don't want there to be a clear-cut villain because this show's been cleverer and subtler than that, but, like... 3200 innocent civilians have been kidnapped and tortured. Someone has to be the baddie here; your choices at this point are that it's Wanda and she can never be an Avenger again, or it's someone else, and that someone else is going to have to be a bit obviously evil at this point so they can draw the blame. And I realize that WandaVision is about grief and how people try to escape from it and ultimately what it costs to live with, but... this is still superheroes, and one of the genuinely great things about the genre is that it can be about that, but also that theme can get personified so that someone can punch it right in its stupid face.
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Gripweed posted:Yes, I'm upset that the show is going to effectively absolve her by moving the blame to the character who was literally designated the bad guy by a musical number. Which doesn't actually absolve her if you think about it, but it will still let her be an Avenger, which is the most important thing. And yeah, fair point, maybe the finale will surprise me. But considering that they have revealed that it's all because of a literal evil witch who lives in a literal dungeon, I feel pretty safe in assuming that the show is not going to dip into morally complex deep character work for the ending. That'll be her defining sin coming out of this, that she had the opportunity to do the right thing, and (perhaps understandably, but still wrongly) chose to live an idealized life with the man she loved instead. Wanda handled her grief badly and it led her to make some really wrong choices, but she still stays on this side of the "created Ultron" line of Heroes Doing Bad Things.
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I am enlightened so I know purple is a fake idea, all of blue is one color. Or colorblind, I always get those two things confused. I’m definitely one of them.
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The Emmys don't have the Oscars' hate-boner for genre, right? They gave a bunch of statues to Game of Thrones even after it started sucking, so I figure they're cool with this sort of thing. Which is good because Elizabeth Olsen and Kathryn Hahn both deserve nominations at the very least.
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WaffleZombie posted:One subtle touch that I appreciated: SWORD thinking that there is no longer a broadcast signal. Since the Hex moved into the 2000s, it would make sense that they couldn't pick it up on the old tube TVs they had been using. In the 2000s, they moved to HD signals so they could still be "broadcasting", but SWORD just didn't think to change up what they were looking for.
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Gripweed posted:The most recent episode was a really great reminder of how terrible modern sitcoms are.
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So who wants to place bets on Dottie's importance to WandaVision? Is she a remaining big reveal or a red herring? I say red herring.
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X-O posted:She's had screen time in only one or two scenes really. If she had some importance I'd have thought they'd use her more by this time. I say red herring too, but that's the theories.
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Well, that's pretty much all my guesses wrong, isn't it? This was also the first episode I didn't like. I felt like they spent too much time showing us stuff we either already knew or would have been perfectly content assuming. (Literally everyone's been assuming "Wanda presumably watched sitcoms growing up" and just going with it, because it's an unimportant incidental, not an actual plot point.) Plus it was just way too on the goddamn nose. Yes, thank you WandaVision, I had Nick at Nite growing up and the pastiches were very obvious. Was there a point to stopping the goddamn show flat to go "look, look, these are the actual shows we made clever references to, here's clips from them"? For a show that's been so goddamn smart up until now, the way it suddenly assumed that the audience is idiots was jarring. (The bit with the bomb and its blinking toaster light was another "oh poo poo, we forgot you guys are morons, let's stop and explain it" moment, I thought.) And then, clashing with that, there was stuff that just felt really unexplained and obtuse. Could anyone tell what the gently caress was going on in Agatha's flashback? I guess the intent was that she was somehow overcoming the other witches and absorbing their life forces and that's why she's still alive 300 years later, but that's a best guess and I'm really, really not sure. She was at their mercy, right? Nothing about the staging made it seem like she was suddenly getting one over on the other witches, or was actually doing anything at all. And then when all the other witches die, and Agatha's mom sees that happen, she does the exact same thing and dies the exact same way. It played like it was intentional, like the coven was punishing Agatha by killing themselves. That'll show her! And what'd she do, anyway? Why was her mom like "nah you're evil forever, bye"? So weird. I'm also... not sure about that retcon? Okay, great, Wanda's a baby witch who got supercharged by an Infinity Stone, sure. But it raises an immediate question made all the more glaring by his absence: explain Pietro, then! Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. If you're going to suddenly posit an external reason for why Wanda survived the Mind Gem process, you actually do have to explain why Pietro didn't die and got powers of his own, then! Powers that, mind you, have nothing to do with witchery! You guys couldn't shell out for five minutes of Aaron Taylor-Johnson's time? Couldn't fit it into the running time of "however the gently caress long we want" and couldn't bear to cut that crucial Dick Van Dyke montage? Overall I'm really worried now, because it felt like not only did I just see all the plates they've kept spinning so ably start to wobble, but the plot didn't move forward at all and I have no idea how the gently caress they're going to wrap every single plot thread satisfactorily next week, especially when so many of them are still so disparate. We need what/who the gently caress Fake Pietro actually is (and by the way if they're seriously going with "oh Agatha just made a random dude, him being played by Evan Peters was just a total coincidence, wink wink" that's too cutesy by half), what happened to Monica, a confrontation between Monica and Wanda, what Evil SWORD Dude's deal is and why he faked the facility attack footage (and if it was to get Wanda to hit the drone so he'd be able to boot up White Vision, that makes no goddamn sense because he'd have no way of knowing that'd work, the drone was unrecoverable unless Wanda hauled it back out of the Hex and threw it at his feet to prove a point and he had no way of predicting that'd happen, and most importantly, he's in charge, if he wants a drone strike he gets one, he doesn't need to justify it, and he could've just said it happened, why spend time and resources making the fake video when it doesn't even convince anyone and the people it doesn't convince don't get a say), we need to know just who/what the gently caress the kids are since now we know that the in-Hex Vision was a construct or whatever and not even his real body, we need Agatha's actual motives, we need a fight between Wanda and Agatha, we need a fight between White Vision and Hex Vision, and we need a confrontation between Wanda and Vision, which ought to be lynchpin of the entire thing, the entire series has been about their relationship and the show has very intentionally been keeping them apart from each other as they each learn the truth. That seems like a pretty tall loving order for 40-odd minutes, doesn't it? I mean, maybe they can do it, most of the show's been great. But yikes. There were bits I liked -- emotionless White Vision is good fanservice and he should only last until next episode before he gets merged with Hex Vision (of course, I've been wrong an awful lot so far, but that seems obvious), and that's exactly as much time as White Vision deserves to ever get in the MCU. Kathryn Hahn descending into moustache-twirling was a disappointment, but Elizabeth Olsen kept acting the gently caress out of her bits, and saved what she could. The Vision/Wanda flashback was lovely, and the entire SWORD visit and trip to real Westview were utterly heartbreaking. That reveal of the deed, that Wanda's been building her dream life on the bones of the actual house that Vision bought for them so they could actually just have a normal life in the suburbs... that was perfect. site posted:it seems to have soft retconned vision and wanda being married pre infinity war. in their IW intro scene i had the impression that they were still kinda early days into a relationship FoneBone posted:you all need to let Dottie go edit: Okay, regarding the scene I found utterly confusing: Apparently there's interplay between the colors blue and purple that makes it more clear if you're not colorblind and never saw the colors change at all? I didn't know me saying that purple is a fake idea in my life would turn out to be foreshadowing. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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BrianWilly posted:I don't get it, y'all. For months all anyone could talk about was how they're gonna introduce mutants on this show -- if I had to hear another "No, more mutants!" quip from this specific forum I was gonna flip -- and now they're literally doing Wanda's mutant power origin and everyone thinks they're gonna waffle another three years?
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I think that was a mostly satisfying conclusion, though I was right that they had too many plates still spinning to completely stick the landing. Solid 8/10, and if they skimped on a lot of the logic stuff to make sure the emotional beats got hit, well, that was the right decision. Not giving us an instant's glimpse of White Vision after he got restored was the biggest cop-out, I thought -- he's a main character, he deserves his share of closure! The cutaway from him getting his memories back to Vision showing up to help the family was so abrupt that until the final farewell, I honestly thought they were doing a misdirect and it'd been White Vision since then, with Hex Vision having merged/dissolved/just hung back. And White Vision doesn't want to talk to Wanda at all? C'mon. And I honestly wish they'd just done a handwave to keep the kids around. "Oh haha I fixed the spell", "I'm keeping a tiny portable Hex around each of you", "oh you're tied to me and Vision and since White Vision merged with Hex Vision you're real enough now", "wow it's a mystery", I don't care, whatever. I guess I'm just worried that whatever happens in Dr. Strange 2 won't get enough narrative focus to be satisfying. And fucksakes, Wanda, turn yourself in to Monica's custody! You can read the evil book in jail too and you kinda deserve to do a bit of time for all this bullshit!
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BrianWilly posted:For Doctor Strange 2 in particular, I'm really looking forward to how Mordo is going to respond to these events. His vendetta against other sorcerers and unnatural magic was always kinda dumb and weightless in the first film -- why's certain types of magic bad? Because it just is! -- so it'll be cool to see him campaign against an bona fide harbinger of chaos and whatnot, whose unnatural use of magic actually caused a whole lot of problems.
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Can you imagine the pop in the movie theater if that happens, though?
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Retro Futurist posted:Wanda goes into self imposed exile to heal and study so she can better control her powers, I don't know what a better solution would be here. Sticking her down a hole isn't going to work, there isn't really a therapy built for this, and just magicking everyone into forgetting would be a cop out. The resolution isn't great but it's probably the best there could be. SlimGoodbody posted:You are all missing my initial point that almost no one can make you go to jail if you have superpowers, and that is dope as hell, because going to jail sucks We have a word for the dudes who go "haha go to jail? haha gently caress you, my powers say 'no' so I guess suck it", and it is a different word.
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Skwirl posted:Remember that time Tony Stark gave murder drones to a high school student?
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