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Great OP, except Sammy Watkins plays for Clemson, not Syracuse 
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I think AJ McCarron would be good for a team like the Browns. He's very stable, makes good decisions, won't blow you out of the water but can get things done. Also Colt Lyerla got busted for coke so expect his stock to take a tumble.
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Oct 24, 2013 05:38
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I think Jace Amaro is going to be the best TE from this draft.
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Oct 24, 2013 06:07
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Logan Thomas' arm isn't credible enough for that offense. Accuracy on short routes to keep teams from stacking the box is more important than being able to heave it downfield (which is nice but not as necessary), as is the ability to get the ball out quickly. I'd say the Eagles are more likely to take whichever of Boyd or Manziel drops to them in the second if they're going to hold out for a defensive guy in the first.
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Oct 24, 2013 06:40
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Grozz Nuy posted:Carr's putting up pretty excellent numbers for Fresno State this year and reports on him from an attitude/work ethic perspective seem universally positive, but there will be LoC questions and I haven't watched any of their games this year so I couldn't make an accurate scouting report on him at all from a physical perspective. Manziel makes his bones off of throwing jump balls to Mike Evans when he's in trouble, so as long as you have a big, physical wide receiver who can muscle players out of the way ala Anquan Boldin there's no reason he can't find some degree of success. I'd really be interested to see how his game would look if he had, say, Calvin Johnson or Vernon Davis to throw to.
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Oct 24, 2013 07:08
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bewbies posted:You know, I even wrote that up while watching the Clemson game last weekend. Derp To be fair they played each other and they both wear orange. troofs posted:How do you pronounce that? I hope it's "luh-Shay Sea-strunk". It's pronounced like Lake. That may be better or worse depending on your predilection for water-based puns (he also used to play for the Ducks).
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Oct 24, 2013 14:37
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bewbies posted:Just saw that Mcshay now has Mariota ahead of Bridgewater at the #2 spot. Interesting... Mariota's got better physical tools even if he doesn't have the mechanics down and plays in a much tougher conference than Bridgewater. I think Bridgewater's going to look way better at the combine and stay ahead of Mariota for good but I can understand why McShay might waffle.
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Oct 24, 2013 14:54
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Doltos posted:That's what ticks me off about this years draft. It looks extremely deep but guys like Bridgewater can easily go back if they get ruminations that Mariota might go ahead of them. Which is silly because the way that the way that draft slotting works is you're not going to miss much from going from the #1 pick to the #4 pick (assuming a team doesn't just panic and trade up to #2).
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Oct 24, 2013 17:54
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Brannock posted:I've always been skeptical of those players who are like "well he doesn't really have a real position, but holy poo poo he sure is an athlete." When was the last prospect like that to actually pan out as a NFL player? Percy Harvin although that was less "he doesn't have a real position" and more "he's stuck between two positions". If you can do something (run real fast, catch, block, whatever) then you can carve a place out for yourself even if you don't fit into the traditional WR/TE/RB/QB/OL mold.
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Oct 24, 2013 17:57
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Goetta posted:Randall Cobb probably fell into the 'Athlete' category as well if I am remembering his Kentucky career correctly quote:Cobb played collegiately at the University of Kentucky. During his freshman year was named to the SEC All-Freshmen team at Quarterback playing in 11 games and starting 4 at quarterback. He scored 2 throwing, 2 receiving, and 7 rushing touchdowns during his freshman year. He also caught, passed for, and rushed for a touchdown in the same game. That said I think he was projected to play wide receiver in the pros pretty early on.
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Oct 24, 2013 18:29
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Just look at it as two second rounders to stabilize the offense. don't focus on the how or why or who
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Oct 24, 2013 19:47
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Quest For Glory II posted:Mmm I have bad news for every QB prospect to ever declare then; that poo poo doesn't end until your name is called on draft day. Remember the debate of whether Indy should take RG3 instead of Luck? Even with the generational talent, there's intentional clouding. "Perception" means where he's supposed to go; if he's not supposed to go high then he won't declare.
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Oct 24, 2013 20:35
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Grittybeard posted:Weren't people souring on Barkley before he actually declared, or is that my imagination? He played very inconsistently after coming back and he ended up getting injured.
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Oct 24, 2013 20:45
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commy gun posted:Get ready for a billion comparisons of Manziel to Russell Wilson y'all. Analysts don't make lazy cross-race comparisons, they only make lazy intra-race comparisons. Although he is a lot more like Doug Flutie than Russell Wilson.
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Oct 25, 2013 03:35
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fariz posted:I'd be completely shocked if Mariota entered the draft, but then again I thought the same thing about Daron Thomas (idiot) You know Mariota has a first round grade from almost every "professional" scout and will probably get the same from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, right?
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Oct 25, 2013 15:26
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vaginal culture posted:I think Keith Price is an NFL prospect, I watch every Ducks game and he seems more NFL ready than Mariota (who is really inaccurate). I was surprised Price wasn't on Bewbies list. I'm thinking he's a 3rd or 4th round pick at least.
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Oct 25, 2013 19:15
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Zach Mettenberger is all arm, no brain. If you want that I'm sure you could offer up a conditional seventh for Tyler Bray.
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Oct 26, 2013 21:28
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mcmagic posted:Lumping Stafford and Dalton together is nuts. One has NFL tools and one doesn't. Both have been successful at the NFL level though. How can you say one has NFL tools and one doesn't?
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Oct 28, 2013 20:53
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Ungratek posted:It was an impressive workout You can't teach arm. I mean you can but it takes a while
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Oct 29, 2013 04:51
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Lazerbeam posted:Who's that? I think that's Wilfork.
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Oct 29, 2013 19:23
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WampaLord posted:As a Bucs fan, what gets to be my "Suck for Luck" mantra to repeat as the season goes on? Fire Schiano
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Oct 29, 2013 20:02
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Disillusionist posted:If he pans out, and if he doesn't get injured. This is the caveat for literally every draft pick in the history of ever.
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Oct 31, 2013 14:03
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Disillusionist posted:And? Assuming that one rookie player, regardless of how good he is, is going to transform your defense is premature for precisely that reason. Very few players do, though. Andrew Luck and RG3 seem to be two examples of things changing overnight but in a lot of cases the first quarterback taken doesn't fix everything, unless they're a generational prospect. Clowney is that generational prospect.
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Oct 31, 2013 14:50
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Here are some dumb bold QB predictions: + careers: Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, Manziel, Mathews, Price, Mannion, Keeton - careers: Boyd, McCarron, Murray, Morris, Mettenberger, Fales, Nova, Renner, Carr Logan Thomas will be converted to TE, Braxton Miller will be converted to WR
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Oct 31, 2013 15:41
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Doltos posted:I'm going off of the rating system that Bewbies has for terminology which I think is a pretty accurate assessment. Clowney will suffer from the same problems Williams did coming into the league, mainly You should do it, there's no point to having a draft thread if Bewbies is the only one who's going to contribute. Daltos posted:Also gently caress it, I got all day and nothing to do so here's some pros and cons of the top QBs with highlights. in response to a question someone had about rg3 posted:I haven't watched him yet this year so I'm going only off of the highlights I see on youtube.
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Oct 31, 2013 18:23
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Alouicious posted:Am I missing some kind of running gag when people say Manziel is like 175-180 lbs because he's listed at 210. You can list him at whatever you want, he looks very very tiny out there.
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Nov 1, 2013 00:31
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Volkerball posted:Lol. Just stumbled across some footage of 6'5, 228, 4.6 40, high school, Jamarcus Russell. Crazy that he had great NFL size at 17. He's about as fleet of foot as Aaron Rodgers when he's at playing weight, he's just never at playing weight.
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Nov 2, 2013 23:53
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The Puppy Bowl posted:In the interest of stimulating conversation, who do you all see as a player who has the makings of a first ballot HoFer? Obviously a ridiculously speculative question but outlandish assumptions are part of the fun of draft talk. So come who's your favorite of the bunch and why are you so biased towards him? No one, really. There isn't anyone that jumps out. Besides JaDeveon, Anthony Barr, Louis Nix, Marqise Lee, and Austin Seferian-Jenkins look like pretty amazing prospects, and probably one of the quarterbacks in this class will do really well just because there are so drat many. I'll tell you a bit about Seferian-Jenkins since individual draft profiles seem to be what you're after. Austin Seferian-Jenkins (Washington)  TE, 6'6, 266 lbs. Pros: Excellent route-runner, great hands, shows great potential as a blocker, extremely fast for size, basketball playing tight end which everyone loves, good body control Cons: Busted for DUI. 2013 stats are underwhelming.
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Nov 4, 2013 15:50
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euphronius posted:Why don't you ever see TEs taller than about 6-5 or 6-6. Do they make them tackles if they are even taller? (Or power forwards.) Past 6'6 they start to lose the ability to block due to leverage. Also because finding people 1.) that tall, who are 2.) coordinated enough to play professional sports, and 3.) fast enough to line up as a receiver while also 4.) being able to catch AND block but 5.) aren't strong enough to just straight up play on the line is very, very difficult. E: Also the NBA I guess but being 6'7 and athletic with no other skills makes you Joe Alexander which is no way to make a living.
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Nov 4, 2013 16:07
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It was just a really terrible combination of player personality and franchise.
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Nov 4, 2013 19:06
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Emanuel Collective posted:man you are really fired up about blowout Orange Bowl win over a team that fluked into the game due to a technicality Not really, there are specific provisions for sending non-BCS teams to BCS bowls, and NIU was probably one of the best mid-majors in the country. That said, FSU was way overqualified for the Orange Bowl but NC State will do that to you
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Nov 5, 2013 18:01
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Also Jordan Lynch got sacked 3 times which counts as 3 rushes for -16 yards, which doesn't take into account all of the times that he got flushed out of the pocket and scrambled to the line.
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Nov 6, 2013 01:05
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As always we are left guessing as to Manziel's future. There are some red flags but as the game has evolved the scouting hasn't caught up so we're never really going to know if red flags are going to turn into anything substantial.
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Nov 9, 2013 21:51
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commy gun posted:So Mariotta is out of the top 15 now right? He played on an injured knee and still looked alright. Also, it was one game against a top 5 college defense. Maybe pump the breaks a little bit. bhsman posted:I'd rather trade down than spend TRIGGER WARNING, CHIEFS FANS: a top five pick on a right tackle when you can find one later in the draft. You may not necessarily find one and why not take the best one? He's also probably the best player at that draft slot.
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Nov 12, 2013 23:39
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You can't just make sexy picks all the time. That's not how you build for success in the long term.
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Nov 12, 2013 23:57
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bhsman posted:Won't disagree, but I just don't see the point in taking Matthews at #5 if Clowney is available. Well of course not, because Clowney would be the best player available at #5 by a wide margin. Barr, not so much. Not that Anthony Barr isn't good, but he's not Clowney or Matthews.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:02
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commy gun posted:If you're taking Clowney you're taking him because hes the best player, and there's nothing wrong with that. "Need is the worst evaluator of talent" or whatever that quote is. Well yes but you're also assuming that Clowney is going to be there to take at #5. If he's there you take him, but that's not what bhsman said (at first). He was debating the merits of taking a right tackle top 5.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:05
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mcmagic posted:A virtual "gently caress you" to the guys who are at the top of the profession you want to be in makes him someone i wouldn't want to invest any cash in. I can understand concerns about missing important dates and the partying but why the gently caress should Manziel have to kiss the Manning family's rings?
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Nov 18, 2013 17:25
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No Butt Stuff posted:I think we can all agree that someone will reach on Manziel and take him way before he should be taken. That would require us to agree where he should be taken.
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No Butt Stuff posted:I'm saying he's going to be taken ~10-15 pick. And that's way too high for him to play human pinball in the NFL. I will fight anyone who disagrees. Let's wrassle my dude Rap posted:RGIII It happened on a freak injury on a scramble rather than a designed run and RG3 still doesn't know how to slide so I don't think it's impossible for small mobile dudes to survive and even thrive Also I wouldn't call RG3 undersized
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