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SHVPS4DETH
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This thread is probably better served showing up after the debacle that was the month of September.

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SHVPS4DETH
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Occupation posted:

How do you mean, I wasn't following ratings too closely then.

Well you mentioned NBC's 7th Place Thursdays, and Fox comedy Tuesdays are a mess (New Girl's a bright spot at <2.0). The four cancelled shows were a total given but shockingly low-rated all the same. I'm not used to seeing so many sub-1.0 ratings on networks that aren't the CW.

ABC's OUAT spinoff tanked horribly (1.7 debut, 1.2 week 2) and should get yanked after tonight's prelims come through. As usual ABC's comedy freshmen are a disaster with nary a show over 2.0 and none likely to survive. Their reality franchises aren't serving them anymore either. ABC now is NBC 2-4 years ago basically. Agents of SHIELD has lost about half of its demo audience since it's incredible debut, and I don't think it's stable yet but others seem to think so.

NBC's such a mess that I can't really get into it. Like even worse than last year. The Voice is still pulling 4s which I think is pretty remarkable, which is giving a good rub to Chicago Fire which is actually building its audience week-to-week (!) which I didn't think was possible on NBC anymore. With everything else so low-rated it's hard to know what NBC's going to do with regards to Thursday nights. Dracula debuts tomorrow following Grimm and by all accounts it's horrible so that should be a fun number to see Saturday.

CBS is doing fine, obviously. They have some new shows headed towards cancellation but a few moderate comedy hits. Hostages is the only outright embarrassing failure and it was a limited series to begin with.

Fox hosed up Sleepy Hollow already, though not completely. It's a huge hit for them, and instead of giving it a back 9 they just renewed it for next season, probably because they have a bunch of expensive shows slotted where SH's full order would have gone. Bones was doing decent business with SH, so of course it's being moved to Fridays. :psyduck: You might want to rethink The X Factor as a tentpole because its season debut scored a 2.2 - a new series low. It's leveled off at about 2.0 while it takes time off for baseball. I don't see any way it makes it another season, and the first live show's rating will tell for sure. Glee's 2-season renewal is looking mighty dumb, as it debuted over a full point lower than last season. The Monteith tribute ep popped them a full point and change, but as with XFUSA the real story starts when baseball's over.

So yeah. It's been busy.

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This sounds super-fun but I was unemployed for most of the spring and summer so I'm broke as a joke. Even if I wasn't I'm actually really excited about where Community's going creatively so I already want S6 to happen. It's also going back to BBT's timeslot where P&R got savaged recently (as in put on hiatus for Voice reruns until November) which is dumb dumb dumb. Until numbers for the S5 premiere come in and I see what the show's like ca. 2014 I'm not committing to anything.

Deadpool posted:

Sleepy Hollow was designed to be a 13 episode season from the start.

They could have extended the episode order or started S2's arcs earlier. It's still a missed opportunity in my book. The fact that Fox more or less already has next season's schedule booked and it's only October is puzzling to say the least.

BIG CITY LAWYER posted:

I have a major soft spot for MJFox so the poor performance of his show bums me out hardcore.

To be fair it's not a very good show and they put it on a night and time where it had no chance to succeed.

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The person who wrote the first article has absolutely no idea how ratings work. The second article is just plain confusing and explains itself in the last paragraph. It's all bafflingly sensational which should be expected given the parties involved.

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SHUPS 4 DETH posted:

Dracula debuts tomorrow following Grimm and by all accounts it's horrible so that should be a fun number to see Saturday.

It's a fun number for much different reasons than I expected! It pulled a 1.8 matching its Grimm lead-in and topping its timeslot, and if not for Shark Tank's 2.0 they would have won the night together. Grimm had about a million more viewers so Dracula is even richer in the key demo. NBC's really got their poo poo together for Fridays, defying all conventional wisdom. The show's pretty horrible, but it has ridiculously gory visuals and lots of stylized violence so I doubt it will drop much. I still admire Grimm for performing as well as it has over the years.

eta: The Carrie Diaries got a 0.3 down half from last season's premiere and down 0.1 from last week's debut. I thought this was an inexplicable renewal last season but it's toast for sure now.

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hcreight posted:

At this point I wonder if NBC is wasting the show on Friday night. When they moved it to Tuesdays for a while last Spring it was getting demo numbers in the 2's. Surely it could do better than what's currently in the Thursday and Wednesday lineups.

Exactly the opposite is true and it's what kept Fringe and Chuck on the air way past their expiration dates. Over the past few years, Fridays have become a sort of safety zone for low-rated sci-fi/horror fare.

Grimm's been hosed around with quite a bit over its 2 seasons. It was on Friday in its first season and did okay, so they moved it to Monday for S2 (probably thinking the same thing you are) but quickly pulled back to Friday when it sunk a bit, and then finished out the last month of its season following The Voice on Tuesday. Remarkably all of this fuckery didn't hurt its ratings much but it didn't goose a bigger number either (it actually ticked down with Voice's lead-in), so NBC got the hint that it was just fine on Friday and programmed it with Dracula to make a solid night of weird poo poo (following Dateline at 8 PM, obviously). It was the right move, especially if these numbers hold. With nothing else like their block competing against them it seems likely they will.

Also programming niche stuff against CBS's blockbusters and Grey's Anatomy would be a really bad idea.

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Yeah for sure. I'll put it up on Sundays going forward and put up the current one tonight.

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I did yeah. Incidentally Bubble Watch has a new writer this year and they're really lovely but I'm happy to post R/CI on Tuesdays.

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And it just got its S5 renewal, to the surprise of literally no one.

:slick::suspense::siren: IT'S THE RETURN OF THE RENEW/CANCEL INDEX :siren::suspense::slick:

CBS - No big changes here from last week, though the doomed Hostages has officially slid to the bottom of the chart, which has Gorman wondering if it gets to finish its limited run. I say yes because they haven't already axed it like they did We Are Men. Mom, The Mentalist, and The Good Wife are still on the bubble. Mom got a back nine order recently though this means nothing about its chances of renewal (especially if you consider that Dads did too). CBS's veteran lineup remains a solid institution.

ABC - Same 4 certain cancellations, different headline; this time The Trophy Wife gets picked on. Look for OUAT in Wonderland next week, since if it's still on the air it's going to be noteworthy. The Neighbors and (especially) Betrayal are dead shows airing. Back In The Game got moved down to the bubble where it joins Nashville, The Goldbergs, and Last Man Standing. Gorman has Super Fun Night as Likely Renewed but I'd put it on the bubble. Agents of SHIELD is their only real success story from their freshman class but the rest of the lineup is doing just fine on their way to another season.

NBC - Dracula joins the R/CI as a likely renewal, but there are otherwise no changes. I think Gorman's being bearish about Dracula until he sees another week of ratings, though it's worth noting that Dracula did a relatively better percentage in the key demo than Grimm so barring a disaster next week I think it's a lock. Sean Saves The World is still certain to be cancelled. Parks & Rec, Parenthood, The Michael J Fox Show, and Revolution remain on the bubble, which I think is being pretty charitable towards Revolution.

Fox - Brooklyn Nine-Nine got a back nine order and a big show of confidence from Fox in moving it behind New Girl for the cushy post-Super Bowl spot, which pushed it up from likely cancellation to the bubble. The Mindy Project remains on the bubble despite that its R/CI is now at the bottom of the pile, even below Dads (which is certain to be cancelled) whose back nine order is spackle and nothing else. This is Fox - their midseason comedy freshmen tend to underperform and they must not have any confidence in what's to come. Bones is still Likely To Be Renewed, which is probably a "wait-and-see" since it's getting shipped off to Fridays. New Girl and Family Guy are certain renewals.

CW - The Carrie Diaries joins the Index tied for last place with Beauty and the Beast. They're both Likely To Be Cancelled, but they're barely above 1/3rd of the CW's scripted average which suggests a little more certainty to me, but then again it's the CW so who knows. No other changes, though I guess Reign's on a two-week ratings decline. It's difficult for me to predict how the CW makes its decisions because they're so wildly different from the other major nets in that regard. Then again it's 10 hours of programming a week so maybe I'm trying too hard to overthink it.

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So Revolutions ratings have tanked that badly? I know the show sucks but I thought it was doing great. (By NBC standards)

They actually declined sharply during the back end of the last season without The Voice lead-in as Deadpool said, but they swapped it out for GoOn which ended up getting cancelled. I'm pretty sure they renewed Revolution out of the goodwill they got during their very good Fall 2012 numbers. Now though, they keep getting new series low numbers every week. A 1.4 is bad even for NBC on any night but Thursdays.

Occupation posted:

There's no way Mindy gets renewed, Gorman is a crazy person.

I was shocked that it got renewed last season, honestly.

Occupation posted:

The season three renewal is both the most difficult and the most important and [..] gets an effective two-season renewal[..].

On the other hand, my un/av.

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The X Factor's foray into Tuesday garnered a series low 1.5, barely out-drawing Dads and The Mindy Project last week. No way in hell does Cowell get a fourth season after this.

Aphrodite posted:

Why isn't it paired with Once Upon a Time anyway?

Because NBC doesn't have the market cornered on having no idea how to program against BBT. They could have easily held Wonderland for midseason while the OUAT flagship took a break.

Irish Joe posted:

I don't think the Wonderland cancellation is as sure a thing as you're making it seem. The show draws a ton of (young?) viewers that would, on any other night, translate into huge ratings. If ABC moved it to Tuesday or even Friday, it would be an absolute juggernaut.

1.4-1.1 will get you cancelled in a hurry on any network that isn't NBC Thursdays or the CW. I'm sure ABC spent a lot of money on the show but unless they get smart and try again at Sundays mid-season, the show is beyond done. It got beat by a Voice rerun and barely won against The Vampire Diaries last week. I know you're a contrarian poster and it's cute but the data's out there. Wonderland should be pulled immediately, if not sooner.

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BIG CITY LAWYER posted:

Isn't Wonderland a one off mini or did I fever dream that?

It's intended as a sister series to OUAT, not a limited run, though they'll probably spin it as a mini when it inevitably gets cancelled.

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Like I said, absolutely adorable gimmick you've got going. And now back to the sexual aluminum show in progress.

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Apologies for the double post but it's Friday in Autumn so there's news: Trophy Wife and The Goldbergs got back nine orders and Super Fun Night had 4 more eps ordered. Back in the Game received no such orders so it's effectively cancelled. It isn't being pulled from the schedule but once their initial 13 have aired it's over. A bit puzzling since it was getting better ratings than Wife or Goldbergs.

The Client List got cancelled but that was over creative differences between the star and the show, and it's on cable anyway.

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Primarily Love-Hewitt is pregnant and wanted her character to be pregnant as well and I surmise the writers couldn't work with it on their handjob drama.

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Lifetime's high on Devious Maids. TCL is so two seasons ago.

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Bubble Watch is treating Super Fun Night's short back order as a cancellation. I initially balked at it, but I've thought about it more and looked through some data and I can't find any new series that received a short back order (less than a full season) that got a second season. It seems to just be a way to keep some schedule spackle on hand.

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Look! In the thread! It's not just any shameful Shups doublepost, it's...

:slick::suspense::siren: THE RENEW/CANCEL INDEX :siren::suspense::slick:

CBS - Mom got a back nine and grew week-to-week so it's up to a likely renewal, where it joins the formerly certain 2 1/2 Men and The Crazy Ones, both of which posted ratings losses. No other changes, and Hostages remains on the air.

ABC - My plans to see OUAT in Wonderland in the headline will have to wait a week, as Super Fun Night plummets from Likely Renewal to Certain Cancellation in one fell swoop due to the short back order they received. Back In The Game was cancelled but not pulled from the air, and there were no other moves on the chart this week.

NBC - The Michael J Fox Show is now Likely to be Cancelled. It's not getting yanked from the schedule until it all airs but NBC really committed to this show and must be very disappointed. Dracula took a serious tumble from its debut numbers but we don't know if it's hit the basement yet so it remains a likely renewal. MJFS was the only move this week.

Fox - Bones is now a Certain Renewal up from Likely last week for some reason. Clickbait? Anyway there isn't much to report from Fox since they were airing mostly baseball last week.

CW - No changes, but Gorman points out that the CW has cancelled 2 dramas per season for the last 3 seasons, so it seems unlikely that anything beyond Beauty and the Beast and The Carrie Diaries will be cancelled at this point. As always, it's the CW so I got nothin'.

I'll try to post these earlier from here on.

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Props to Bown for bumping this. Let's all pretend it's Tuesday and therefore the correct time for...

:slick::suspense::siren: THE RENEW/CANCEL INDEX :siren::suspense::slick:

CBS - The Mentalist is now Likely To Be Cancelled, as its numbers have dropped off to about half of the net's scripted average. Its veteran status isn't doing it any favors since it's already banked 6 seasons' worth of syndicated eps.

ABC - Last Man Standing's ratings have built up to the point that it's a Likely Renewal, where it joins the recently downgraded Revenge. OUAT in Wonderland remains on the air despite being under 1.0 and defying all conventional wisdom. It must have cost ABC a lot of money.

NBC - Remember that great premiere for Dracula? Yeah, it's lost half of its demo rating in the weeks that followed and is now likely to be cancelled. Given that it's now under 1.0 and hasn't stabilized it's more than likely in my opinion; it's a goner.

Fox - Brooklyn Nine-Nine has been pushed to a Likely Renewal, leaving The Mindy Project and Dads' race to the bottom behind. Glee should be on the bubble (if not worse) as the Monteith tribute was an outlier and it keeps hitting new lows, but Fox renewed it for two seasons last Spring. Gorman doesn't track unscripted shows but The X Factor is an absolute disaster that keeps getting worse. Every week they hit a new series low, it's great.

CW - No new episodes of The Carrie Diaries were ordered so it's as good as canceled. Gorman points out that it's the same boat Life Unexpected was in 3 years back.

Not a lot going on, but that'll change after sweeps.

Oh yeah and the ratings-challenged Totally Biased has been cancelled over on FXX, making it the first casualty of the network. Its ratings struggles have been very well documented and I'm sad to see it go despite not being able to watch it once it switched networks.

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xeria posted:

The showrunners and network execs have all said the next season is its last regardless.

Ryan Murphy said it, and Fox denied it immediately. It won't get outright cancelled for any reason until next year, if ever.

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Syrg Sapphire posted:

Motherfuuuuuuucker.

I've been wondering what the shows that went from FX > FXX have been dealing with for ratings, and another part of me figured Kamau would be hosed the most given that short of watching his clips on Youtube there was no monetized way to watch the show at all short of DVR (so people without the new network didn't get dick all), but this sucks. I'm actually mad about this.

Same. It was really unfair of them to shoulder TB with a daily schedule (not to mention a recap show on Sundays against The Walking Dead). I also think it's telling that they decided to move Chozen to FX and the poorly rated Wilfred's final season to FXX. Expect Sunny and The League to move back shortly. Legit's more or less hosed and it didn't have great numbers to begin with.

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TheRationalRedditor posted:

You said the unwatchable abhorrent diarrhea that is 'Sean Saves the World' was "certain to be cancelled", but I read somewhere that NBC has since ordered new scripts for it. MAKIN' ALL THE RIGHT MOVES, PEACOCK!

It's pretty damning that they didn't order episodes but just more scripts, presumably to see where they're going. It doesn't matter because the ratings are terrible even by NBC's standard.

And yeah the show is absolute garbage and I'm glad no one's watching.

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I'm getting the strong impression that Fox has very little faith in their midseason fare, as evidenced by their pre-cancellation of Us and Them just like The Goodwin Games last season. I agree that Mindy isn't making it to S3 though.

Dracula's already lost half of its viewers and it's only a 10-episode season and they had to pay Rhys-Meyers in installments to keep him sober long enough to wrap shooting, immediately after which he promptly went back to rehab. It may not get a second chance even under the best circumstances with the network. Plus it's Friday nights. They could air Voice reruns and get better numbers than Drac's getting.

The data's on their side with regard to short backorders for freshman shows and as such I have no issue with their call on SFN.

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Vertical Lime posted:

The Vampire Diaries was .1 short of second place in it's time slot. How often has the fifth network done that?

I can't go hunting for numbers at the moment but I'm fairly confident that it's unprecedented. Fox Thursdays are the new NBC Thursdays and NBC Thursdays are over. They no longer are, they were.

Two and a Half Men performing on the same level as The Crazy Ones is pretty :psyduck: too.

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The Thursday finals adjusted X Factor down a tenth, which is only a tenth above last week's series low and actually ties with Vampire Diaries in the demo. Really impressive numbers for the CW in a timeslot where everyone else is struggling to program against BBT. P&R matched their 1.2 series low and SStW and MJFS are stalled at 1.0. OUAT in Wonderland seems to be stabilized at 0.9 which is laughable regardless.

Friday ratings are a whole mess of bad news, with just about everything down and nothing anywhere close to even a 2.0. Bones cratered to a 1.2 down from 2.0 on Monday, and Raising Hope debuted on Fridays at 0.7, a series low down more than half from last season's premiere. The CW was up incrementally but who the gently caress cares about 0.5s.

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Wizardryo posted:

Not a definitive answer, but didn't the WB manage to do that? Ratings were higher across the board even just a few years ago, but I know Buffy used to get high 3s consistently and Smallville/7th Heaven used to hit 5s every so often. The CW as a whole seems to be doing impressively well this year (relatively speaking, of course). Is this the best season they've had since they launched?

The WB was a much different beast than the CW's become in a very different era of TV watching. I don't have the data in front of me but they're looking relatively strong as everyone else is sinking like a stone down to their usual level. Relatively, yes this is the most successful they've looked in recent memory.

Wizardryo posted:

I've never followed the franchise, but what is going on with OUAT in Wonderland? Is it specifically the disastrous timeslot or is it a bad show? Two years ago OUAT was a bright spot in ABC's schedule, and now both shows are doing awfully.

Beyond IJ's first point (which is really the main reason) they launched the show on a night dominated by comedy and reality shows. The money move would have been to air it during OUAT's holiday break. They started low and just keep getting lower. OUAT is fine for Sundays though, don't worry about that show.

Wizardryo posted:

:lol:ing at SHIELD's gradual ratings collapse. It's the V/The Event of the season.

They're still at >150% of ABC's very strong scripted average and only Modern Family does better absolute numbers.

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Goddamnit boss I've told you a thousand times I don't know who Speederman is. Oh poo poo here comes

:slick::suspense::siren: THE RENEW/CANCEL INDEX :siren::suspense::slick:

CBS - No changes as Hostages continues to bleed out to a 1.0.

ABC - No changes, but the idiot running Bubble Watch put Agents of SHIELD on the bubble because they ignore its place on the scripted average for the network and also because they are a big dumb dummy head (also probably for clickbait).

NBC - Gorman's thinking the entire Thursday night lineup is in trouble, and he's right. MJFS and SStW are at matching 1.0s, P&R keeps tying their series low just above that, and Parenthood hasn't transitioned timeslots well against the resurgent Scandal on ABC. Dracula was stable last week but a 0.9 is still a 0.9. No actual changes, and The Blacklist remains dominant over all scripted fare.

Fox - Scary times over at Fox, where coming in third is a triumph once again. Bones lost nearly half of its demo on Friday moving from Mondays, Raising Hope premiered to a pathetic 0.7, and Almost Human lost 0.9 from its Sunday premiere to post a 2.1, well below Sleepy Hollow's 2.5. Gorman wrote his post before that number, and continues hollering into the void that Mindy is still a toss-up despite matching Dads's numbers. No changes other than Raising Hope's no-brainer introduction as Certain to be Cancelled.

CW - The Tomorrow People got put on the bubble after matching their prior week's 0.6, because the CW. No other changes.

No cable news but The Killing is getting a short fourth season on Netflix because Veena Sud has naked pictures of some very important network executives, likely members of the Illuminati, because why on earth would you keep this show around nobody likes it and no one will miss it.

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Yoshifan823 posted:

Also, I convinced myself that what people really need to start doing is adapting video games to TV shows. They're already much closer in format (TV shows, like games, and unlike movies, don't always have a defined end, and the most popular video games are episodic in nature already, so they can sell sequels/DLC), and I think the first network to realize this and get, say, a Call of Duty miniseries (that will inevitably get picked up to a series because duh) will forestall their demise long enough to make some nice extra bread.

I don't think it's at all likely that people would flock to watch something that they can play instead. Plus the budgets for VG adaptations would be insanely high, especially for something like Call of Duty where it's basically combat zones 24/7. I'm not really into video games anymore but they seem to be at the point where visually they look good enough that a film/TV adaptation would be redundant if not less fun to watch, not to mention uninteractive.

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ABC's midseason sked is out. Betrayal is cancelled, obviously. Mixology takes over after Super Fun Night finishes up its run in February, and the faltering Revenge is moving to 10pm.

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Fox released their midseason schedule and it's a doozy. Among the highlights:

- Glee is moving to Tuesdays at 8PM and Brooklyn Nine-Nine is moving to 9:30PM after New Girl.

- Meanwhile, The Mindy Project is going on hiatus from January 28 to April 1 while B99 finishes its season.

- Dads is not on the schedule. I smell a Summer burnoff perhaps blocked with Us & Them, also nowhere to be found.

- Rake is debuting after Idol to give it some shine. The Idol S13 previews indicate that they're finally shaking up the format so we'll see.

- No such luck for Enlisted, who gets Fridays at 9:30PM to play off of that sweet sub-1.0 lead-in from Raising Hope.

Things are going to be pretty interesting in 2014 for Fox.

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Epi Lepi posted:

Is that a good thing, bad thing or neutral thing for Brooklyn 99?

100% good. Barring some unforeseen disaster it's a lock for renewal.

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It probably goes without saying that this is not going to be a very eventful installment of th-th-th-th-th

:slick::suspense::siren: THE RENEW/CANCEL INDEX :siren::suspense::slick:

but here it is anyway. It's a holiday week and a lot of shows are on 1-2 week hiatuses (hiati?) and we're about to enter the late Fall doldrums so things are about to slow way down here in ratings town. ABC and Fox already announced their mid-season lineups, so let's see what got shaken up! If anything!

CBS - No changes, Hostages still sucks.

ABC - Betrayal is not on the mid-season schedule, so of course it's done. No other changes and I'm basically sure at this point that I won't get the satisfaction of OUAT in Wonderland being cancelled before it completes its run.

NBC - No changes, but Thursdays just keep going lower. Is this the season that NBC finally gives up the ghost of Thursday comedies and counter-programs against BBT (or just starts the washing machine and dryer power block)?

Fox - We're still pretending The Mindy Project isn't even likely to be cancelled despite losing its timeslot to Brooklyn Nine-Nine for 3 months, and we're also not treating Dads's absence from the mid-season schedule as a de facto cancellation? Really Gorman? I expect better from you. That is to say there are no changes.

CW - No changes, but Reign recovered slightly.

Alright nerds, talk some more about how video game TV shows are a good idea and not doomed to fail miserably.

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Postal Parcel posted:

But in more interesting news, Glee hit a new low this past Thursday, with a 0.9, matching the Lady Gaga and Muppet special. Holy poo poo, if this show wasn't locked in for another season, it would be cancelled immediately.

Fox is calling both Glee and X Factor's Thursday showings "holiday specials" so the ratings won't count towards their overall averages, despite the fact that both shows played in their usual timeslot and were no different from any other episode of either show.

With that said, last Thanksgiving X Factor got a 2.8 (perhaps aided by an NFL game lead-in) and this year was a 1.0 and it got utterly trounced by reruns. THAT'S embarrassing.

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Oh good, I get to doublepost with this shameful-rear end :effort: :geno: Renew/Cancel Index :effort: :geno: update.

NBC's The Michael J Fox Show is finally Certain to be Cancelled. This is the only change this week. No, really. Happy Holidays!

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NBC got mid-2.0s with holiday specials last night. It isn't that there wasn't anything else to watch, either. Curious.

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Scandal got its order cut by 4 episodes, probably due to Kerry Washington's pregnancy. Also, Dads got its order reduced by 3 episodes, probably due to being a steaming pile of poorly-rated poo poo.

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RCI Tuesday is here, and with it the following changes:

CBS - None.

ABC - None.

NBC - None.

Fox - Almost Human was downgraded a toss-up, which it should have been since its tepid premiere. Fans can take heart knowing that it raised a tenth last night (pending final adjustments). Dads had its episode order reduced and isn't on the 2014 schedule after February so it is, of course, de facto cancelled. Gorman's tea leaves continue to foretell a miracle for The Mindy Project that will not happen, and as such it remains a toss-up. The fool!

CW - None.

We are now officially in Specialville, capitol city of Repeatssachusetts, so expect even less news next week. Stay tuned to see what direct competition from The Sing-Off does to all three hours of The X Factor on Wednesday and Thursday! Or don't, as TVIV has turned into a bit of a ghost town of late.

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Postal Parcel posted:

Prediction: The Sing-Off has no effect on XFactor's ratings because the XFactor is already at the bottom of the reality show barrel.

Mostly correct! Their Monday 2.4 shrank to a 1.4 by Thursday but it was still enough to trounce XF's measly 1.2. The lesson here is that it is impossible to counter-program against BBT.

RCI: On CBS, CSI and Elementary are now likely instead of certain to be renewed. On the CW, Beauty and the Beast is off the midseason schedule so naturally it is now certain to be cancelled. No one cares and this thread is dead.

In petulant infant news, Simon Cowell declared that X Factor will definitely be back next season. Fox offered sweet gently caress all to support his claim.

I'm not bumping this thread again until there are any real changes.

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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

Shups, I just wanted to say that I found this thread fascinating. I am pretty much a TV IV tourist, but I've always been interested in ratings and this has been an exceptionally educational discusion - so thank you for making it!

I appreciate the kind words, but I just do the RCI and bump for massive successes or failures. This thread's an Occupation production - I could never put that much effort into an OP.

PriorMarcus posted:

There's already two suitable threads that could host all of this discussion so I wouldn't take it to heart, you should just roll this one into one of those next year and people will actually take note.

Ratings chat derails every single time in couch chat into the kind of garbage that was on the previous page, without exception.

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A day late on this but step aside, Ironside: ABC's The Assets now lays claim to the lowest premiere rating on a major network with a shameful 0.7. ABC's already hedged their bets by calling it a miniseries (similar to how NBC and CBS handled Dracula and Hostages, respectively) but this is still more bad news in what must be a very troubling season for ABC. Community premiered down for the series but up for NBC Fall Thursdays at 8PM. On the plus side it did much better than the 0.8s for Sean and MJF, and if ever critical buzz were going to help build a show it'd be this season of Community, so it's too soon to call. Parenthood has also stabilized at a good-not-great 1.3 at 10PM.

Last night Univision scored second place in the demo just behind college football on Fox and just ahead of non-scripted hours, with repeats and dramas bringing up the rear.

The last few weeks haven't had any big stories in ratings but we're diving into the midseason in the next few weeks so expect that to change. Also I'll have a reason to post the R/CI since things will actually change! Maybe!

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