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Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Does Nielsen get audited? Aren't they kind of a black box? What happened to free market capitalism? :911:

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Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Irish Joe posted:

I'm not sure what your question is. Like all corporations, their financial reports are independently verified and available to the public. If you're talking about the accuracy of their ratings, you can be drat sure the networks double and triple check every number Nielsen gives them.
Yes, I'm asking about the numbers, but the networks only get the numbers that Nielsen reports. Is there anyone independently verifying that there isn't some systematic bias, to say nothing of actually sketchy business?

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Shakugan posted:

Why would anyone ever premiere a show during the olympics? Especially if it's a show that maintains any kind of continuity? Like, that seems like a pretty great way to ensure that a show is dead on arrival, even if it was the second coming of Breaking Bad.
Because the Olympics are the only decent rating that NBC has when Sunday Night Football and The Voice are off the air.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


SHUPS 4 DETH posted:

In surprising not surprising news, The Big Bang Theory just got a three season renewal, taking it through 2017 and S10. It's the #1 show in network so the grand gesture isn't exactly unexpected, but I can't remember a show getting this much of an extension since Always Sunny which is a much smaller commitment with much lower stakes.
Didn't Chelsea lately get a huge renewal early on?

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


TI-89 (Titanium) is the greatest calculator of all time and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Shakugan posted:

Has there been any more news on Hannibal? Such a fantastic show that it'd be a huge shame to see it go. The ratings are so poor though :(
Hannibal will, unfortunately, probably be renewed by NBC. I say unfortunately because if NBC would let it go, it could thrive on a proper channel like AMC or Netflix.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Shakugan posted:

There's no guarantee that it'd be picked up by another network though? I'll take a renewal over the (huge) risk of it not getting picked up by another network any day. It being more successful on another network might mean that its production values increase, but they've been doing really well with what they have anyway. I can see why you'd wish the show had been on AMC or Netflix to begin with, but wanting a show to be canceled in the hope that it would end up there is crazy (especially since there's no guarantee that a show that started with its third season on another network would actually thrive).
There's been extensive discussion of the atypical funding model behind Hannibal, namely, the production costs are shared with international partners. There is basically zero chance that NBC cancellation will result in complete cancellation, and ANY of the networks that have expressed interest in Hannibal will lead to a higher profile and more success.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Rarity posted:

I'm really curious but I don't want to step into the GoT threads, how much further has its ratings got to go before it's bigger than the Sopranos?
The non-spoiler thread doesn't really talk about ratings, but numbers are available on the respective Wikipedia pages, which include caveats about comparing the raw numbers.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Aphrodite posted:

Its best rated seasons aired from 2002 forward, I don't know how much the audience has changed since then.
The 10th highest rated show in 2001-02 had a 11.4 rating while in 2012-13 it had a 4.1 rating, so yes, things have changed to say the least.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Aphrodite posted:

Yeah, but that only proves the audience is more spread out. Unless you have the shares too.

Edit: According to this the 2001-2002 estimate was 105.5 million households.

Their 2013 estimate was 10 million more. So decent growth, but not a huge difference.
The 10th ranked show in 2001-02 was West Wing where a 11.4 rating was an 18 share.

The 10th ranked show in 2012-13 was Grey's Anatomy where a 4.1 rating was an 11 share.

It's possible I'm reading the numbers wrong, but it seems like a 64% drop in eyeballs only resulted in a 39% drop in share.

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Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


A little late to Glee chat, but I was a huge fan of the first half of the first season. When it came back after a long break, the show wasn't nearly as good. The second season was even worse, and I had to push myself to finish it over the summer. I had no interest in the show after, and it should have ended after 3 seasons when everyone finished high school, MAYBE giving it a 13 episode 4th season if you wanted to see what happened to them afterward.

I'm glad that Glee went in the shitter.

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