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SHUPS 4 DETH posted:Fox hosed up Sleepy Hollow already, though not completely. It's a huge hit for them, and instead of giving it a back 9 they just renewed it for next season, probably because they have a bunch of expensive shows slotted where SH's full order would have gone. I think it's actually better in the long-run that they didn't give it a back 9 order, since it lets the writers not have to worry about 'extending' their current S1 plans out to what'd effectively be a second season finale. I've seen shows (like Lost Girl S2, I think is an example) end up dragging tail for a season when they got extended after the writers had already planned out the season for 13 episodes, and it can kind of kill season momentum if they aren't careful. As long as they don't jam S2 onto Fridays at 9 or something without any advertising over the summer, the show'll be fine.
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2025 06:55 |
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I think Glee would probably have to drop consistently sub-1.0 to get outright cancelled at this point (and I still think its floor is the 1.4-1.5 it's pulling now anyway). The showrunners and network execs have all said the next season is its last regardless.
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Ryan Murphy just wants to put all those Glee kids on AHS after Jessica Lange leaves, obviously.
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Posting something that may be a result of continued declining ratings -- Glee's S5 episode order has supposedly been shortened from 22 to 19. Fox may have denied it when it first came up, but I haven't seen anything since that refutes the idea that S6 will be its last (barring a major uptick in viewership, of course). It seems like all the cast and crew are prepared for that likelihood, anyway.
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Benne posted:So with CBS getting the Thursday Night Football package next year, how much do you guys anticipate their primetime lineup changing, if at all? BBT moving to Mondays into HIMYM's timeslot seems like the easiest slide-over, maybe taking The Millers with it. Then maybe Crazy Ones/2.5Men over to Friday 8-9PM?
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J-Spot posted:They also canceled the X-Factor which put a sizable hole in their fall schedule that they need to fill, and at this point there is very little separating any of their scripted shows so renewal predictions are tough. Sleepy Hollow was still holding up by its season finale with a 2.4. It might be the highest rated show on the network at this point, actually. But yeah, between the freefall of shows like Glee (really, FOX? Two seasons for a show that was already barely punching in at 1.5 at time of renewal?) and having like 2-3 shows maybe breaking the 2.0 mark (Sleepy Hollow, Family Guy, American Idol)...things seem like almost as much of a mess as NBC, if not moreso.
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SHUPS 4 DETH posted:0.8 last night btw, tying in the demo with CW's The Originals. That's some Friday poo poo and it's tanking New Girl and Mindy. Someone at FOX has to be in just agony that they gave that show two seasons instead of just one. (Of course, they couldn't have known that one of their lead actors would up and OD over the summer hiatus, and there's similarly no guarantee that their #s wouldn't still be roughly where they are now if he was still alive and well, but any risk is why you don't loving renew a show for two seasons that's barely scraping by with a 1.5 in the demo.)
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Glee premiered this season with a 2.0 in the demo (held steady from last season's finale), dropped to a 1.6 with the next episode, spiked back up to a 2.9 for the death tribute, then immediately dropped back to 1.5 and lower ever since. The two-part "100th episode(s)" had a mess of original cast members and guest stars back and still only managed a 1.0/1.1. They're at less than half the audience now that tuned in for that tribute episode.
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Deadpool posted:CW renewed Beauty and the Beast. There are no words. I believe you mean Peoples' Choice Award recipient Beauty and the Beast. ![]()
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It's been in a steady decline since midway through the 2nd season. It's just kind of a textbook case in what happens when a show continually alienates the gently caress out of its core audience. (There's obviously no way to know whether or not they'd hit these particular lows if Monteith hadn't kicked the bucket last summer, but they were already hovering at 1.5s last year when he was still alive -- though in rehab -- and Fox still renewed it for two more seasons. It's been just barely hanging on for a while now.)
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It was also a premise with a finite 'end' -- eventually you have to let those losers and underdogs win, or you've completely undermined the central conceit of chasing your dreams and being true to yourself and etc. etc. And once they've won, that's kind of...it. Lower the curtains, they're set free into the 'real world' to continue chasing those dreams. The series should have realistically ended after that third season when half the cast graduated, with maybe a 2-hour 'movie event' reunion-type thing in closing, set several years in the future. The idea of 'this glee club is full o' scrubs, let's treat them like garbage' kind of loses its punch when said club wins Nationals and there's a scene of the entire school showering them with adoration, to where bringing in a new crop of underclassmen to refill those ranks feels kind of empty. And maybe that's ultimately where the show failed, in making Sectionals/Regionals/Nationals such a Big Deal that once the club has won each of them at least once, apathy kind of sets in. We've already watched a bunch of kids we grew to care about over three seasons triumph and beat their most hated competition on the biggest possible stage; why should we care about this 'new' glee club that's at least 50% either brand new or woefully underdeveloped and whether or not they can repeat that triumph?
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I'd say one of the key differences between Glee and FNL is that the Taylors were the heart and soul of their show (making it that much easier to stick to them instead of the teenage cast), while most of the viewing audience was pretty well apathetic toward, if not grossed out by, Will Schuester by midway through the 2nd season. In order to follow the premise and not the characters, he'd have to be the backbone and I just can't imagine any way for that to be successful in the long-run. And obviously, Finn was being groomed to replace him, but logically* that couldn't have actually happened in full until Finn had, you know, gone to college. *(Glee has never operated on any level that could be remotely construed as 'logical'.)
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2025 06:55 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Why did it fall from grace? I know that after the first block of episodes it was basically poo poo but that never seemed to bother hardcore fans of anything. A combination of like 50 things, like one of the lead actors dying from heroin overdose, culminating in a sub-1.0 rating in the main demo now. Even when it got picked up for two seasons, it was pulling ~1.5 in the demo. Only the hardest of hardcore fans are still watching.
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