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falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I must know all about the Windows 95 Secrets.

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falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Is SCSI stuff useful or retro enough for anyone in this thread?

I have some late 90s'early 2000s servers I need to get some data off of, and then part out. SCSI tape drive, HDDs, and I what I presume are top of the line at the time Adaptec SCSI cards. I'm guessing no, but I thought I'd check first.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Unfortunately I think it fits into the large category. Both of these are SCSI enclosures actually. 2.5" portable hdd on top for scale.



Also I find it hilarious that there's a bunch of people selling this same Exabyte M2 tape drive on ebay for hundreds of dollars, but literally none have sold ever.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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So, this may not exactly fit entirely with this thread as it's perhaps not retro enough (20 years) but I believe the correct audience is in here that may have a clue or point me in the correct direction.

I am looking for a way to virtualize Redhat 7 (yes Redhat, not RHEL), which is from about y2k, specifically with SCSI support.

This is because I was asked to virtualize a crusty old dell server. Clonezilla worked great to make a backup copy + restore it into a Virtualbox VM, but when Linux boots (2.4 kernel) there's no driver for the virtual SCSI controller in a modern Virtualbox.

Now more on topic- A friend bought a c128 recently, played with it for a bit last night. I was amazed to find out that it supports CP/M and has a Z80 processor just for this. Unfortunately though it wouldn't fully boot to a prompt>

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I did go down the road of finding the source for that SCSI driver, I found many references to it, as well as the filename, but failed to actually find the file. Clearly I'm weak at the googs.

Another option seems to be finding a really old virtualbox version- I think version <2.1, but I probably would run into the opposite problem- getting it to run on a modern system. Maybe I can go full meta run modern vbox w/ an old windows image that itsself is running vbox 2? God Id hope that wouldn't work,

Anyhow, I didn't realize there was a vbox thread, i'll try that out too.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Not knowing much about either, I'll presume this is just a North America vs Europe difference?

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Luigi Thirty posted:

I will never forget when my dad brought home 16 megs of RAM for our Packard Bell with a $74.99 price tag on it
Is this good or bad?

The standard ram price I recall was something like $50/mb. P sure I spent a few hundred $ in RAM to play Dark Forces.

(Worth it)

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Yeah there's a billion generic whitebox PC cases. Maybe find an old Computer Shopper magazine from the 90s (about the size of a phone book, like these https://www.ebay.com/itm/283159286891), page through it and maybe you'll get lucky.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I should probably dig my old Voodoo2 out of my ye old bin of PCI cards and sell it to one of you goons.

This would help prevent me from going down PC retro road.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Jedit posted:

PDF of The History of US Gold is free for the next little while.

Does it answer why they have US in the name and why all of their games suck? If so, I'll register to download.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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This is the opposite of how I remember them, but my perspective is from a US side w/ console games actually developed by them.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Any X68000 owners here?
There's a few owners in the retro gaming thread, I would assume they're in here too.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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The monitor may be worth it alone depending on model.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Luigi Thirty posted:

I think I've topped out this 486 protocol analyzer, lmao

I ordered an Am586 133MHz and didn't expect it to work in an industrial 486 motherboard. Turns out it does, so I've got:

  • AMD 5x86-133 P75, 16KB of L1 cache
  • 48MB of RAM
  • Sound Blaster 16 with real OPL-3
  • ATI VGA Wonder with 1MB of VRAM
  • NE2000 NIC
  • Custom Siemens ISA transputer host with 6 TRAMs!
  • A bunch of ISDN ports on the back I guess?

Now if I replace the hard drive in it with an SSD I'll have the world's fastest 486.
Had no idea AMD made a 5x86, thought it was only cyrix. The internet says you can clock to 160mhz which is pretty incredible.

Also how many x's does your CD-ROM have?

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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It has a basic rom built in, if you can get the right power it should boot.

Iirc It also supports svideo if you make the right cable combining the two rca jacks.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Kreeblah posted:

Would anybody be interested in a quick writeup of some different DOS distros? Like, not different versions of MS-DOS, but actually different DOSes from different companies/groups.

I've been dinking around with some (MS-DOS, PC-DOS, DR-DOS, FreeDOS, PTS-DOS, and ROM-DOS so far), and it's been interesting seeing what's similar and what's been different, along with seeing how compatible (or not) these things are with one another. I don't know whether anybody else would care, though.

Dr dos 6.2 ruled, I could create hidden folders of fake Paula Abdul nudes from my parents. Sorry for the honestly.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Chubby Henparty posted:



So why not toss your dos?

You legit could get 620k available memory too, it was amazing.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I remember MS-DOS 5 being the first one that lets you squeeze more conventional memory, aka good. Also, I appreciate the DOS comparison above, havent heard of a few. However, they were showing free memory when running Windows 3.1 on top of it. No one really did this if you actually wanted free memory, you'd just launch a game from DOS itsself.

Edit: While I no longer have any type of Retro PC, I have kept a small selection of floppies over time. Iirc i've got MS-DOS 2.11, 3.something, 4.something, then DR-DOS 6, as well as some other goodies.


falz fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 21, 2020

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Just doing some housecleaning during the great event of '020 and stumbled across a bunch nostalgic dial up prodigy/aol/etc mailed out disks. I had never heard of "PC World Online", looks like maybe it was just a rebranded deal with AOL or something.

Enjoy




falz
Jan 29, 2005

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mod sassinator posted:

If you really want some fun, look at a retro CRT emulated text console too: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
Oh my god this is amazing, thank you! Hopefully this prevents me from ever re-attempting to buy an amber LCD and XT combo to relive the horrible horrible days of past.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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What purpose does the 486 serve in that scenario?

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Maelstache posted:

I've read somewhere that these old Sony scan converters might work well as a cheaper alternative to the OSSC, they're usually ex-studio gear and can sometimes be picked up for very little cash.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-DSC-1024G-Scan-Converter-and-switcher/254894871027?hash=item3b58eb11f3:g:9hQAAOSwyahgRkVV

Or, I dunno, just get an OSSC. They're absolutely worth the money for the amount of systems you can use them with.

It doesn't have hdmi out, which is the main point of OSSC? I guess you could bolt on a vga to hdmi if there's a cheap non rubbish one.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Is your disk too large?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DOS_operating_systems#Technical_specifications

I'd just boot from a DOS floppy and fdisk + format your D: drive from there.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Yes, Windows 3.x is just an application that runs on top of MS-DOS. Get MS-DOS running first and then deal with Windows.

Also I hate Windows 3.1, everything sucked before Win95 and peaked at Win2k. - my personal and perhaps wrong opinion.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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While I have some moderate nostalgia for 486 era stuff if I were to get a retro PC I'd do something like this, which is honestly quite amazing for it's size.

https://youtu.be/USHvvSbYmJA

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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You could get an Extron VSC for real cheap, it's a downscaler that converts signals to NTSC.

There's a bunch of models but this is the one I have, it has bnc inputs so your need to a vga to bnc cable.

https://www.extron.com/product/vsc700

The 500 model and maybe more have a db15 vga connector.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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My RAM stories:

I installed an extra 1M of RAM (SIPPs) into a Laser 386-sx16 so that Wing Commander would display the hand of the pilot navigating a joystick. Iirc i split the cost with my dad because i was like 14. This was not worth it.

Years later I had a better computer, probably a 486DX-33 or DX2-80 (wish i remembered which) where I spent idk $250 out of pocket to add 4MB RAM to get to 8MB to be able to play Dark Forces. That was worth it.

Then RAM finally dropped to under $50/MB, Pentium Pro's and whatnot came and all that poo poo got cheap and i don't remember much after.

Here's a pricelist I dug up from a local computer place years later, it's dated 1996-03.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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I regret to be considering installing Win95 OSR2 on an OG Pentium 133 PC. My memory of that era is minimal on the install, but I was surprised to see that "the internet" says that there were not any OEM bootable Win95 CDs.

Anyone aware of someone hacking bootability in to one, for ease of install? Will go on a CF card in an isa/pci slot, prefer to do the install there versus some Virtualbox prep in a VM elsewhere.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Ill just use a floppy instead, hope the floppy drive works on this. Seems like a lot of questions on using what appears to be the name of a local mexican restauraunt to hack an ISO.

See my 2nd part about your 2nd part - part of the experience is doing the install on the machine and remembering all of that old pain.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Any general recommendations for square-ish (5:4? 4:3) LCD/IPS panels that aren't huge? On a budget.

There's that retro inspired Checkmate that looks neat but isn't out yet.

Are people just buying those $40ish dell monitors from 15 years ago? Anything specific on Aliexpress or otherwise that's useful, small (can even be idk 9" or so) but have a full monitor frame that isn't just a PCB and CRT?

Bonus if it has VGA input but not expecting it to - figure that's a different problem to solve.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Tiny Timbs posted:

I’ve had a Dell 2007FPB for years that I love. It has Svideo, composite, VGA, and DVI. I paid $60 shipped for it off Amazon eight years ago and it looks like they’re about $100 shipped on eBay which is still a great price imo.

https://a.co/d/cmw6xzH

It’s 20” but I wouldn’t consider it large because the aspect ratio gives it a small footprint.
Interetsing, these seem to be all over eBay for 1hundo. will consider it - really surprised it has composite/svido input too.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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TheMadMilkman posted:

The only downside to the 2007FP is that it doesn't support 15 kHz.

I have one that I found at Goodwill a few years back, and it's definitely my preferred choice for when I don't want to lug out one of the CRTs.
If it doesn't support 15khz what signal does it expect from its Composite or Svideo inputs?

For my [current] uses I don't intend to do SD 15khz stuff at least.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Hoping someone here ran in to this - the CMOS battery is dead on my mobo, it's an "Odin OEC12C887A" It's this one

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/biostar-mb-8500tac-a-ver.-5

Fortunately per notes on that page, someone made a mondern replacement, but it comes in two "packages"

* https://github.com/necroware/nwX287 "SO-24" (although this info is on the 2nd link.
* https://github.com/necroware/nw12887 "this project was made for the SSOP-24 version of the RTC IC"

For the life of me I cannot determine which of those two my original bios is and they sure look pretty similar. Anyone able to hit me with a clue bat?

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Tiny Timbs posted:

If your motherboard is like the one I dealt with on my Gateway, and the clock chip is soldered in, then if you heat up the area under the chip you can yank the plastic cover off and expose the IC with the model info printed on top. This would also expose the pin connections. Do you think that would help?
It's definitely soldered in, but I can see the exact name on the top. You think there may be more on the bottom? When googling that I can find zero spec sheets of what 'package' it is.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Tiny Timbs posted:

Yeah that’s the same kind of cover I pulled off, only mine was blank. Still, it seems like pulling that off and checking the pin connections might help. Maybe desolder the whole thing first since you’re going to do that anyway (good luck, it was practically impossible to desolder mine without going at it from both sides and a lot of mechanical force).

I may yolo go to town on it with a dremmel per https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22000

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falz
Jan 29, 2005

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an actual frog posted:

Wow. Remnants (at 9:15) is *very* impressive.

That was insane. Like, how. This message with quote is 225 bytes.

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