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SerCypher posted:You know despite what everyone says, this game is still not easy for a fresh player. It is as accessible to a new player as it's ever been, which is damning with faint praise. The game comes from a time before WoW smoothed out a lot of bumps in MMOs as a genre, and thus has a ton of archaic poo poo that never would have flown today. Most notable of which is the assumption that everything should be designed with the "multiplayer" aspect in mind. Both in terms of "this is not feasible to complete without multiple players" aspect, but also in the aspect of making quests complicated and obtuse to facilitate players talking amongst each other to figure them out. A lot of quests are intentionally difficult to figure out so players will be forced to talk with one another to complete them. Over the years SE has taken steps to remove a lot of the forced multiplayer elements of the game, but unfortunately changing the core structure of the quests is too far out of the question, and thus they remain obtuse and complicated.
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CodfishCartographer posted:It is as accessible to a new player as it's ever been, which is damning with faint praise. The game comes from a time before WoW smoothed out a lot of bumps in MMOs as a genre, and thus has a ton of archaic poo poo that never would have flown today. Most notable of which is the assumption that everything should be designed with the "multiplayer" aspect in mind. Both in terms of "this is not feasible to complete without multiple players" aspect, but also in the aspect of making quests complicated and obtuse to facilitate players talking amongst each other to figure them out. A lot of quests are intentionally difficult to figure out so players will be forced to talk with one another to complete them. Over the years SE has taken steps to remove a lot of the forced multiplayer elements of the game, but unfortunately changing the core structure of the quests is too far out of the question, and thus they remain obtuse and complicated. Yeah I'm not criticizing it. It's just harder than what I expected based on what people on private servers said about 'retail'. Just the fact you can't blow through limit break quests with trusts is interesting. The 5 million different currencies are a bit overwhelming though.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:20
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SerCypher posted:Yeah I'm not criticizing it. It's just harder than what I expected based on what people on private servers said about 'retail'. Which limit breaks are causing issues?
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Feb 11, 2021 04:42
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The biggest thing about it being accessible is that a shitload of quests have absolutely zero explanation or direction, and if you ever start something and come back to it a month later there’s basically zero way to know what step you’re on or what you were supposed to do because the only direction was in a vague hint during a cutscene. Some guy is like “skeletons are weird” and then you’re supposed to collect a dragon’s horn from the desert to deactivate a power plant.
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Feb 11, 2021 06:37
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CyberLord XP posted:Which limit breaks are causing issues? I'm past them now, but LB 1 and 3 were pretty rough. I had to LVL WHM to get Invis/Sneak. Not sure how you'd get past them without it. I found it funny that just like on private servers, if you're higher than level 50 and levelling in Davoi, every person on the quest will ask you if you have a Crimson orb.
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Feb 11, 2021 07:22
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Subbing DNC for Spectral Jig is never a bad idea, I think you can get invis/sneak from the Survival Guides too? Not always the most ideal depending on where you're going though due to having to cancel invis to interact with anything. gently caress Davoi though aye
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Feb 11, 2021 07:30
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kirbysuperstar posted:Subbing DNC for Spectral Jig is never a bad idea, I think you can get invis/sneak from the Survival Guides too? Wait what?
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Feb 11, 2021 07:41
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Spectral Jig is a DNC ability that gives you sneak/invis for basically free. The books can too for a pittance, but those aren’t as easily reapplied if your AF poo poo takes forever.
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jokes posted:Spectral Jig is a DNC ability that gives you sneak/invis for basically free. The books can too for a pittance, but those aren’t as easily reapplied if your AF poo poo takes forever. Oh, I didn't know that. These are the same books that give you warps? I never saw the option for buffs.
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Feb 11, 2021 09:42
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SerCypher posted:Oh, I didn't know that. It's either those books or the ones often placed near them in the field or in dungeons. The sneak/invis isn't permanent though, and without a source of it for yourself, you'll eventually run out and then be stranded.
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Feb 11, 2021 10:00
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Yeah it’s the ground tome. I still remember doing all of these quests 4 years ago as a total newbie, it was some of the most fun I’ve had playing an MMO. The challenge is gone from so many of them now.
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Feb 11, 2021 15:28
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Nice thing about Spectral Jig is that it's a set 3 minutes for both and they are applied at the same time for zero mana/TP. The spell/potion versions have to be applied separately and wear off at random times making them a pain in the rear end to manage sometimes.
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Feb 11, 2021 17:16
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They normalized Sneak/Invis durations at some point so now they don't drop randomly anymore and last quite a long time. Spectral Jig has the shortest duration of any source that I'm aware of but since it's free and instant it's not a big deal.
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Feb 11, 2021 23:39
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Just don't be a doofus, remember to manually remove sneak if you recast it for invis, or else nothing will happen and you'll have to sit in shame for a few minutes waiting for the cooldown
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Kongming posted:They normalized Sneak/Invis durations at some point so now they don't drop randomly anymore and last quite a long time. Spectral Jig has the shortest duration of any source that I'm aware of but since it's free and instant it's not a big deal. That's cool that they did that, it was incredibly annoying back in the day to have to constantly worry about one or the other wearing off and finding a safe spot to cancel and recast only to have one wear off 30 seconds later because the day/weather/moon phase was against that spell's element or whatever. Also mobs that aggro to magic, haha, that was a fun discovery!
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WarMECH posted:That's cool that they did that, it was incredibly annoying back in the day to have to constantly worry about one or the other wearing off and finding a safe spot to cancel and recast only to have one wear off 30 seconds later because the day/weather/moon phase was against that spell's element or whatever. Also mobs that aggro to magic, haha, that was a fun discovery! Sometimes I reflect on the days of trying to escort an entire party as a RDM through kuftal tunnel to cape terrigan before sneak oils and prism powders were commonplace Then I quietly weep for my wasted adolescence
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Feb 12, 2021 15:24
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pretty soft girl posted:Sometimes I reflect on the days of trying to escort an entire party as a RDM through kuftal tunnel to cape terrigan before sneak oils and prism powders were commonplace That was the best (worst) poo poo. Took a full hour just to get to the camp not counting time looking for members, someone ALWAYS died to get there, and then the tank bails after 20 minutes
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Feb 12, 2021 17:31
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pretty soft girl posted:Sometimes I reflect on the days of trying to escort an entire party as a RDM through kuftal tunnel to cape terrigan before sneak oils and prism powders were commonplace Wasted? You helped all those other teenagers have a great time, and they probably remember the helpful stranger here and there while they go about their days. Old MMOs have a very humanizing aspect to their bullshit. I remember the name of the son of a bitch who exploited me for cheap labor in vanilla WoW who offered me 1g for every stack of copper ore I brought him. AH price was 5G a stack and I definitely gave him like 20 stacks. I didn’t know how the AH worked and a gold seemed like an absurdly high amount of money, so. I also still remember a white mage in FFXI who stayed and healed our Valkurm Dunes party after he outleveled us and healed us all from outside the party for like hours, until we all caught up to him. FFXI memories are the best because it seemed like the world/game was oppressive and lovely but for the people which made the interactions so much more meaningful. People were incredibly helpful above the call of duty. Time spent helping people, even in a bad video game, is never time wasted  Don’t play WoW jokes fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Feb 13, 2021 |
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jokes posted:Wasted? You helped all those other teenagers have a great time, and they probably remember the helpful stranger here and there while they go about their days. Old MMOs have a very humanizing aspect to their bullshit. I wonder if there'd be enough content/activity to justify a thread for cool things/people we remember from old MMOs from back in the day because despite not playing this game when it was new I really liked this post and want to read more like it
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jokes posted:Don’t play WoW Truth. Also I don't think it's a coincidence one game wound up with a lovely community and another wound up with a supportive and friendly one. Yeah WoW being super popular didn't help, but in the early days FFXI was a legitimate competitor to it so it wasn't that big of a difference for a while. But like I mentioned before, FFXI designed almost EVERYTHING to facilitate community. Why are the maps lovely and quests obtuse? So you'll talk to others for information. Why was the combat so slow? So you'd have time to type and talk during fights. When a game does everything in its power to force people to communicate, I think that they wind up being friendlier to one another in general. In WoW you could solo huge chunks of the game, especially early on, so people never needed to learn to get along with each other, really. I remember a few FFXI players back in the day that were assholes, and it kind of became known across the server who the assholes were and to not invite them to parties. The game being so brutally punishing maybe helped too, like how soulsborne players often enjoy helping each other. It was super easy to die and lose literal hours of progress, like if your WS just did a bit too much damage and you got one-shotted by Sickle Slash or something, welp there goes the last two hours of grinding. Everyone kind of empathized with how brutal the world was, and I noticed people being more selfless in FFXI than any other mmo I've played. blatman posted:I wonder if there'd be enough content/activity to justify a thread for cool things/people we remember from old MMOs from back in the day because despite not playing this game when it was new I really liked this post and want to read more like it 
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I still remember a Whm/Thf that hung around mid-level zones just raising people of they died. Her whole thing was "A raise in a flash!" but she got poo poo on by most LSs at the time. Never asked for money, just liked raising people. Ended up partying with her a few times in the lolDRG day since she got black listed for a while for never changing off /Thf. People in XI were lovely in the old days and stuck in the JP style of game play mindset. I remember trying to convince party members killing a bunch of EP would be faster/safer exp than killing one or two IT in the same amount of time. Promptly got kicked from that party for trying to troll. This was preWotG era.
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All the players leveling near that one border in the dunes having to band together to kill the trains camping the zone-in is still a dumb-fond memory. Also the absolutely insane pathing required to get to the leveling sites in the jungle and memorizing it made you feel like a wizard.
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blatman posted:I wonder if there'd be enough content/activity to justify a thread for cool things/people we remember from old MMOs from back in the day because despite not playing this game when it was new I really liked this post and want to read more like it there are a couple old threads reminiscing about everquest and the like that are long as hell and entertaining reads if you have that particular brainworm. certainly enough content for someone to try it, but not me, I'm lazy
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Speaking of a brutal world... I was doing CoP quests (PM3-3), and spent 15 minutes climbing all the way up the dumb mountain. Then I realized the key item breaks when you mount up. So I did it again. Sadly the other person doing it at the same time, did not in fact reveal if he was having fun. 
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SerCypher posted:Speaking of a brutal world... I was doing CoP quests (PM3-3), and spent 15 minutes climbing all the way up the dumb mountain. Then I realized the key item breaks when you mount up. I unironically enjoy that climb I was low key excited when I found out I had to so it again for abyssea
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Attowha climb was good and decently unique at the time. Also I'm now remembering the utter craziness of having to grab a good 7-8 people together just to spawn-fight a single crab NM for a rarely used WHM-only battle armour (Reverend Mail). God the game had weird design decisions. Also WHM/NIN with dual hammers doing absolutely ridiculous damage because why not.
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Some friends and I made that climb a couple times a week because we used to spam the ENM up there, the antlion one, for some easy exp in an event and the TP Bonus Great Katana dropped semi-regularly for some decent but not incredible exp and cash flow. Because of that I am confident I could still run up that dumb mountain over a decade later. This thought also sent me on a trip of even remembering ENM's were a thing. We used to do the Brothers one in Uleguerand Range too for exp when we didn't feel like partying. I don't thing it really dropped anything regularly. Did anyone ever do ENM's?
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Capital Letdown posted:Some friends and I made that climb a couple times a week because we used to spam the ENM up there, the antlion one, for some easy exp in an event and the TP Bonus Great Katana dropped semi-regularly for some decent but not incredible exp and cash flow. Hagun was definitely the main one, but I remember doing lots of ENMs at the time because the novelty of "free" EXP was too good to pass up. Wow! 3000 EXP! Now I can die twice with an R3 and still come out ahead!
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Capital Letdown posted:Some friends and I made that climb a couple times a week because we used to spam the ENM up there, the antlion one, for some easy exp in an event and the TP Bonus Great Katana dropped semi-regularly for some decent but not incredible exp and cash flow. I used to do both of those, I would trio Brothers on RDM with my two BLM friends, it was fun and you got the pop item for Ouryu, and then we'd do the Attohwa Chasm one for Hagun. Good times. Enjoying my return to XI, I've been back for about three months and have played on NIN and THF a ton and just gearing up BST now. Abyssea and farming upgrade items loving sucks though.
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Oh man, that mountain climb. It was infuriating at times but it was a really unique and memorable setpiece.
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CodfishCartographer posted:When a game does everything in its power to force people to communicate, I think that they wind up being friendlier to one another in general. In WoW you could solo huge chunks of the game, especially early on, so people never needed to learn to get along with each other, really. I remember a few FFXI players back in the day that were assholes, and it kind of became known across the server who the assholes were and to not invite them to parties. Along those lines, considering I just came back and know literally one other person on my server, I've had to /yell for help a couple times recently. First was for Synergy (WS gorget/belt) and today was crafting an obscure piece for Oboro JSE weapons. Players have helped me almost immediately and been super nice about it.
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Capital Letdown posted:This thought also sent me on a trip of even remembering ENM's were a thing. We used to do the Brothers one in Uleguerand Range too for exp when we didn't feel like partying. I don't thing it really dropped anything regularly. Did anyone ever do ENM's? I think we mainly did the Uleguerand one (Brothers) for gil, as I recall. Back then R3, Hedgehog Bomb, and Anelace weapons sold well. I was also after Cloud Evokers so I could drag my HNMLS to Ouryu so I could then drag them to Bahamut as I really wanted a Bahamuts Mask. Never did get that mask... Edit: Also yes, I am confident we could both climb Parradamo Tor first try a decade later. keep it down up there! fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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welcome back campaign runs from midnight pacific tonight until march 1st
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Monberaux describing 90% of the quests in this game. Replace 'Think Hard Enough' with 'check the wiki' though. Imagine moving to a new town in Vanadiel. Trying to find a store and all your neighbors just give you cryptic hints. And if you alt tab to look at a town directory you die.
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SerCypher posted:Imagine moving to a new town in Vanadiel. Trying to find a store and all your neighbors just give you cryptic hints. And if you alt tab to look at a town directory you die.
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Wooo finally hit 99 and got my charity gear. Now time to finish RoV and CoP and everything else.
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SerCypher posted:Wooo finally hit 99 and got my charity gear. Hell yeah congrats!
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SerCypher posted:Wooo finally hit 99 and got my charity gear. Congrats! I’m still on the last RoV mission. Everything up until then is a cakewalk and then the final boss is wrecking my face. I got close on MNK with 5 trusts focused on AoE heals and wiped at 2% when it started absorbing damage.
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Could I get an invite to the discord server? I just started playing again for the first time since like 2008 and getting stuck on seemingly one of the few missions that can't be soloed (Windurst 3-2) made me realise I should probably start acknowledging that this game isn't a single player RPG.
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So I'm trying this out again because of the Return campaign on atm. I already had it installed but it's an old version, like up to ToAU. I downloaded the new playonline viewer and installed that. It's now trying to download 35k+ files, so I thought I'd try running the FFXI installer that came with the viewer because it may already have those files. But it came up with an error about some cab file and it wouldn't go any further so I cancelled the install. So should I just let it download the files and hope it's done by sometime today, or do I unistall FFXI and try installing it from the new installer and hope that it works and is a faster process overall?
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