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Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008

I had a dream that the X-Men accidentally blew up the moon. It was a very vivid dream.

The REAL Goobusters posted:

The perfect drug kinda sucks honestly

Niggy tardust is really good (and probably saulís best album still)

Concur on both points. I maybe wouldn't say TPD sucks but I even like Deep better, as far as non-album tracks go.
And Saul's earlier stuff to Tardust is good, especially his self-titled, but I haven't been able to get into the albums that came after Tardust at all.

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roboshit
Apr 4, 2009



Donovan Trip posted:

Maybe it's as simple as just not wanting to do a ballad to drugs where he calls them perfect and himself helpless without them

That's my guess. Trent being in his mid 50s and still singing angsty lyrics is one thing, but it's probably crossing the line to sing about how cool and good doing drugs is when you're a recovering addict.

6EQUJ5 6 7
Sep 1, 2012

I'd do the same as you.

I always read TPD as being about a person or persons. It being literally about a drug seemed too on the nose.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Come on, he's clearly talking about a person and not drugs.

Also, Niggy Tardust does in fact own.

glam rock hamhock
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations D.Va!!!

You're addicted to kicking ass and chewing bubblegum!!


...and you actually have plenty of bubblegum!


Grimey Drawer

I mean it can be both. Even if you take the song as to be about a person, it still might be uncomfortable for a former addict to sing a love song where love and how it makes you feel is contextualized with drugs.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


magiccarpet posted:

trent is still salty he took made a hip hop record with a spoken word artist and nobody bought it

It was really, really bad

About exactly as bad as you'd expect an album called Niggy Tardust to be

Good god drat that cover of Sunday Bloody Sunday was embarrassing

blue.eyed.ash
Jul 17, 2006

Winner of the 'How Badly Will A Phone Game Milk Us Idiot Cash Cows?' Contest!

Answer: About $70USD for a bad character that unlocks the grind for another.


extra letters: star-lord star-lord star-lord star-lord star-lord star-lord star-lord star-l


glam rock hamhock posted:

I mean it can be both. Even if you take the song as to be about a person, it still might be uncomfortable for a former addict to sing a love song where love and how it makes you feel is contextualized with drugs.

Interestingly, The Lovers is about an addict sneaking away and going out, and the process of writing it and exploring that headspace did make Trent rather uncomfortable.

Thereís a great Song Exploder episode about it.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010



precision posted:

It was really, really bad

About exactly as bad as you'd expect an album called Niggy Tardust to be

what the gently caress?!

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



Grimey Drawer

I thought Niggy Tardust was excellent but that's just me.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


Full disclosure, I used to encounter Saul Williams a whole lot in the late 90s/early 00s when I did poetry slam and he is an incredibly massive douchebag so that mayyyyyyy have altered my opinion.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010



I will forever be enthralled by him unfolding a scroll on Def Poetry Jam. Such an intentionally hilarious bit of showmanship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY2-GRDiPM#t=22s

And let's face it, it's not the same without the drum & bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerpGwbLSM8

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


Mierenneuker posted:

I will forever be enthralled by him unfolding a scroll on Def Poetry Jam. Such an intentionally hilarious bit of showmanship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY2-GRDiPM#t=22s

The unintentionally hilarious thing is that if he did that at an actual sanctioned Poetry Slam Event(tm Russell Simmons) he'd be DQ'd.

I once got DQ'd for smoking a cigarette onstage because a cigarette is considered a "prop" lmao

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



precision posted:

Full disclosure, I used to encounter Saul Williams a whole lot in the late 90s/early 00s when I did poetry slam and he is an incredibly massive douchebag so that mayyyyyyy have altered my opinion.

Lmao

The album is really good i think you just have some personal issues with the guy

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


That's possible. He really was a mega douche. Not as bad as Taylor Mali or Beau Sia though. Also I think I only listened to the album twice

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Hello chiicagooo!

Oh, wait, is that a GameStop employee in the back? Hey, you, give me a refund. No, I don't care if it was my fault, just - look, am I the one with the microphone or not? REFUND, biyotch!

lol yeah Saul kind of strikes me as a guy that could be insufferable in person. Niggytardust rules though. If anyone was on the fence I'd recommend "Convict Colony," "No One Ever Does" & "Banged and Blown Through" (the latter has some very Ghosts/Fragile type of moments).

e: And it's been covered here before but "Skin of a Drum" = "The March" from Deviations 1.

Minidust fucked around with this message at Aug 3, 2018 around 15:47

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




I'm pretty sure all the Niggytardust music is just scrapped Fragile tracks right?

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

magiccarpet posted:

I'm pretty sure all the Niggytardust music is just scrapped Fragile tracks right?

Nah, not all of it, but a good amount.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


I still like Gunshots by Computer more than Hyperpower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9rALT3YTg

Samopsa
Nov 9, 2009


This is a nice live recording posted a week ago (festival was a while back)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhBBdnd6kpA
The audio mix is p. good but very bass heavy, which isn't a bad thing imo

Catboy Autonomist
Jun 23, 2018

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precision posted:

Full disclosure, I used to encounter Saul Williams a whole lot in the late 90s/early 00s when I did poetry slam and he is an incredibly massive douchebag so that mayyyyyyy have altered my opinion.

You're tempting me to bring up that one time when he cited Atlas Shrugged as an influence

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up

Diet Poison posted:

Concur on both points. I maybe wouldn't say TPD sucks but I even like Deep better, as far as non-album tracks go.


Dead Souls is probably my fave non-album/ST tracks from NiN. I loved TPD but it isn't really in my top 10 Nin songs list. Also the first time I heard Deep was at a strip club for a buddies stag party and I think that is probably the only place that that song would sound good.

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