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Med School posted:Thank you! Top tier bathroom reading, for sure.
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The warcraft 3 manual was practically a book if I recall
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Nov 1, 2022 17:54
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All the blizz games had great manuals that I recall
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Nov 1, 2022 18:40
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I remember the starcraft manual being fun to read too yeah
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Nov 1, 2022 18:59
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I think the first Neverwinter Nights came out right near the same time, and it had a beautiful spiral bound manual. I still have mine. I miss big manuals.
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Nov 1, 2022 19:27
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jokes posted:Top tier bathroom reading, for sure. Oh my god yes
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Nov 1, 2022 23:18
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That’s what I’m saying I am not getting even low quality bathroom reading out of these modern game manuals
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Nov 2, 2022 13:20
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i fondly remember reading the dungeon keeper manual on the toilet and in other places
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Nov 2, 2022 15:04
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I'm so old we had to read the manual because the game would ask you questions that you needed to look in the manual to find the answers to. Classic computer guy dumb logic, the people smart enough to have the technical know-how to copy a floppy somehow aren't also aware of the existence of copy machines. Props to my avatar's prequel game, space quest 4 (where the quote comes from) which required you to check the box art.
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Nov 2, 2022 15:16
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PaybackJack posted:I'm so old we had to read the manual because the game would ask you questions that you needed to look in the manual to find the answers to. My favorite version of this was in one of the metal gear games where you had to look at the back of the case and cheat in order to k ow how to contact someone.
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Nov 2, 2022 15:39
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I remember thinking the Uniracers manual for SNES was the funniest thing in the world when I was a kid, maybe I should track down a copy and see if it holds up. All I remember about it now is a joke trying to justify the "you move faster in the air" mechanic that was something like "planes are faster than cars, right? therefore,"
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Nov 2, 2022 15:41
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FoolyCharged posted:My favorite version of this was in one of the metal gear games where you had to look at the back of the case and cheat in order to k ow how to contact someone. I don't think that was cheating lol. For a lot of people it was probably one of the first meta things we've ever noticed in gaming or hell even other media
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Nov 2, 2022 18:23
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jokes posted:Top tier bathroom reading, for sure. I was the youngest in the family, so while my older siblings had their computer time, I would be off to the side reading the manuals while I waited. The Blizzard manuals (pretty much everything before War 3, since we had TWO Windows machines by that time) were favourites because of the fun lore and awesome 90s artwork. I sort of wonder if I was as old then as I am now if I would've taken to that artwork the same way or if I would've looked at it and been like "yeah I guess these programmers weren't paying the bills with their art skills"
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Nov 2, 2022 19:25
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Those manuals are probably low key part of the reason Blizzard and Blizzard lore got so popular, because they were relatively well written pulp sci-fi / fantasy with  Metzen art. It got people invested into the world of these games.
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Nov 2, 2022 19:56
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Yeah I re-read the Warcraft II and Starcraft manuals many times, while internalizing little of the lore directly from the games.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Yeah I re-read the Warcraft II and Starcraft manuals many times, while internalizing little of the lore directly from the games. This is the proper way to absorb Warcraft/Starcraft lore.
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Nov 2, 2022 20:05
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Milo and POTUS posted:I don't think that was cheating lol. For a lot of people it was probably one of the first meta things we've ever noticed in gaming or hell even other media Yeah i think it was literally the only way to get the frequency (apart from looking up a guide and actually cheating), or at least the way that the game was encouraging you to do it. I was about to wonder what you were supposed to do if you bought a used copy with no case but we did have the internet then, didn't we
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Nov 2, 2022 21:46
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah i think it was literally the only way to get the frequency (apart from looking up a guide and actually cheating), or at least the way that the game was encouraging you to do it. I was about to wonder what you were supposed to do if you bought a used copy with no case but we did have the internet then, didn't we Suuuuuuucks to be them. Worth it for the gag.
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Nov 2, 2022 22:16
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I remember in the later era of renting games from blockbuster or hollywood video, long after the original box/jewel case had been destroyed, someone made sure to slip a scrap of paper in with the metal gear codec rosetta stone or what have you. No photocpied manual, no box, just a cartridge or CD, but oh yeah you'll need this to progress (slips in post-it note reading 'Marrils coded - 140.15')
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Yeah now days I can clearly see that Metzen and Samwise are low tier artists. But when I was 9 all that hit me in a completely different way. The manuals had the right amount of works building to get a little kid super invested in the world. Looking back, those books elevated the those games higher than the sum of their parts and mechanics. I mean you couldn’t even select more than 9 loving units.
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Nov 12, 2022 16:02
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Med School posted:Yeah now days I can clearly see that Metzen and Samwise are low tier artists. But when I was 9 all that hit me in a completely different way. So what you're saying is that Blizzard should make War4 with an $80 manual. (also ignore all of WoW post Wrath)
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Nov 12, 2022 18:07
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Didn't wow royally gently caress up the storyline that the RTS games had worked toward? Like the orcs being scourge aligned?
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Nov 13, 2022 08:34
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The story in WC3 is corny and makes no sense anyway
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Nov 13, 2022 08:42
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one thing i really didnt like in wow or wc3 was that there was always a "relatively good" offshoot of every evil faction, like the forsaken vs the scourge. it would've been more fun if the horde had just been evil guys bent on conquest with the orcs as moderates and the scourge undead as the radicals
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Milo and POTUS posted:Didn't wow royally gently caress up the storyline that the RTS games had worked toward? Like the orcs being scourge aligned? WoW has Sylvanas' faction of free undead join the Orcs (and the rest of the Horde). It was an alliance out of practicality and shared dislike of the, umm, Alliance.
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Nov 13, 2022 09:50
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:The story in WC3 is corny and makes no sense anyway It makes perfect sense for what it was though
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Nov 13, 2022 10:27
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Shibawanko posted:one thing i really didnt like in wow or wc3 was that there was always a "relatively good" offshoot of every evil faction, like the forsaken vs the scourge. it would've been more fun if the horde had just been evil guys bent on conquest with the orcs as moderates and the scourge undead as the radicals Basically any faction you play gets multiple storylines where it turns out the other faction is doing constant war crimes. Factions will from time to time briefly unite to assassinate god.
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The Night Elves joining the Alliance is just as weird as the Undead joining the Horde, but flattening everything into two big factions is what made sense for WoW's gameplay. I really vibed with the Horde back in WC3; I enjoyed that, despite not being the literal white knights, they still got to be people, rather than just The Bad Guys. WoW's storylines have been frustrating, because, despite a lot of those WC3 Horde vibes being carried forward, things keep coming around to the Horde, or some part of it, being The Bad Guys that both sides have to join forces to defeat. I wouldn't mind so much if the same happened to the Alliance occasionally, but it never works out that way. If any of y'all have Tabletop Sim, I recently put this together. I took an existing card game that had some major WC3 influences (but pretty awful art) and gave it a complete Warcraft makeover.
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Fenn the Fool! posted:The Night Elves joining the Alliance is just as weird as the Undead joining the Horde, but flattening everything into two big factions is what made sense for WoW's gameplay.
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Oh sure, they hate the Horde, but that doesn't meant they like the Alliance. WC3 Night Elves would have been perfectly fine staying independent, but WoW's structure meant everybody needed to be on one team or the other.
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If they ever do make a WC4, they should just do a timeloop thing where WoW didn't happen and we just build off of 3 instead
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Ainsley McTree posted:If they ever do make a WC4, they should just do a timeloop thing where WoW didn't happen and we just build off of 3 instead It really doesn't make the slightest sense to do otherwise, barring the occasional nod to it. WoW is so big and convoluted and long that anyone coming from older games and not wow would find themselves in functionally a completely new setting. There's just no functional way to convey all that madness, hell this thread does a pretty good job and imagine having to read through all those lore posts to hit the point where you understand why there are spaceships, who the gently caress are all these characters they keep introducing, and why is this character still alive? ... You mean they were killed off a second time in WoW and they're still around?
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Nov 13, 2022 19:57
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Secondary dimension of Warcraft, created the moment that Arthas put on his hat
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FoolyCharged posted:It really doesn't make the slightest sense to do otherwise, barring the occasional nod to it. WoW is so big and convoluted and long that anyone coming from older games and not wow would find themselves in functionally a completely new setting. Honestly I've tried playing wow and I can't make heads or tails of what the story of that game is supposed to be. I joined late and the game has no interest in telling me what the story of anything but the current expansion is, i guess you just need a wiki at this point
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it's an accumulation of a lot of abandoned stories
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I think if they ever did do a Warcraft 4 it would definitely be set in some WoW time period, the playerbase is massive even now and they'd want to try and get a lot of them to play it. You'd just explain the parts of the WoW universe that are relevant to the plot of the game and probably have a new character who's the equivalent of Arthas or Raynor in Starcraft and have new stuff happen in it that probably wouldn't be reflected in WoW cause that'd be very complicated. They probably won't do a Warcraft 4 though, I guess maybe the MS acquisition might make it slightly more likely since MS seems to like having all the genres on game pass and they've been doing stuff with Age of Empires.
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They should just redo warcraft 3 
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tactlessbastard posted:They should just redo warcraft 3 Announcing Warcraft 3 classic; preorder today for only $30 and get early access to the upcoming frozen throne: classic expansion
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the feeling i got in early wow was of a traditional rpg adventurer, going from town to town helping people with their problems and getting rewards so i could explore the world. the "big picture" plots about sylvanas or thrall or whatever were never interesting to me, and i lost interest in the game when it became all about that and Big Raids and stuff in early wow you got to see the world built up in wc3 at a personal, local level. doing it the other way around by building an rts set in the convoluted mess of modern wow wouldnt work
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They couldn't even remaster WC3 successfully (eve while charging $30), it's really sweet to hear you guys extrapolate about 2022 blizzard making WC4. I think it will never happen, no matter what.
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