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a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Can't wait for Grouchio to kidnap and murder one or more Zaibatsu members.

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a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

To be fair that's kinda the issue with these movie games where any button can do a million different things. In calmer moments you can usually intuit what a button prompt does, but the higher the intensity the quicker you go "oh poo poo the guy has a gun, there's an R1 prompt floating on the screen, better press that poo poo ASAP!" before you register that this time R1 is the shoot button.

It seems even Cage, or someone reigning him in at least, acknowledged that that's a problem, because most if not all prompts in Detroit come with subtitles over them to tell you what they do, and quick high intensity choices are clearly labelled "pick one of these" choices.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

What's the origin of "family family family", anyway?

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Imagine that "seeing a cartoon pony photoshopped into a picture of a concentration camp finally made me realise the horrors of the Holocaust" post, but with an android instead.

This is how David Cage writes games.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

The problem with the Alice twist is that it just adds nothing, changes nothing. Alice goes from being a dependant child to being a dependant child, Kara goes from having a strong maternal instinct to having a strong maternal instinct. If you remove a twist from the story and it leaves the story and/or your perception of it unchanged it's not exactly a good twist.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

the way Matt and Woolie misunderstand The Council's skill leveling system is killing me

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Rodyle posted:

Realtalk nothing outright, but Matt and Woolie are serial "I'm not going to think this all the way through" offenders. Pat is the only one who seems to think on it at all.

pat has a well-documented death phobia and poor purchase impulse control so i'm just waiting for the day it turns out he's subscribed to several "become immortal TODAY" scams

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Oxyclean posted:

Why is it so dumb that a robot designed to emulate a child acts hungry and cold, and in general is designed to not remind it you it's not real?

It's mostly because of this:

Oxyclean posted:

That said, the question of deviancy kinda breaks things - you can assume she's just not deviant which explains her never breaking her programming - but she can apparently shoot Todd, which you think would require deviancy and her to maybe break out of child.exe

It's pretty safe to assume the intended reading is that Alice was deviant all along, given she never really acts like a pre-deviancy android. There's the whole "of course the child android is programmed to act like a real child" argument, but somehow I doubt we're intended to think that CyberLife would put "acts like a real abused child" on the box, especially when every other pre-deviancy android acts noticeably robotic. Plus there's the fact Todd runs a tight schedule of regular daily child abuse, so it's safe to assume she's got the emotional trauma to have gone deviant before the start of the game.

Of course a lot of this is conjecture given we never actually see another android child do or say anything, but that itself is part of the problem. Android children exist purely so Kara's motherhood storyline can have a twist near the end. Since this is purely for that one twist, there is no need to have android children anywhere outside of that specific context.

If you really feel like defending it you could argue that Alice acts like an abused kid because that is in fact what she is. Daddy won't love me if I act like a robot, so I better act like a real kid around mommy or she won't love me anymore either. You mentioned that their pre-programmed personality could affect who they are post-deviancy, but I can't say I buy into it. At the very least I doubt sexbots have "violent insurrectionist" in their core-programming. Not that I trust David Cage with writing a woman who resents being forced into sex slavery while also struggling with the fact she is programmed to be extremely into it, especially given his fetish for women in peril, but the point remains androids don't seem to have a lot of issues rejecting who they were pre-deviancy either. Not that the game is consistent about this, anyway; in the same scene we have Luther saying it doesn't matter who he was before while the Jerries bust in saying how much they love making children happy because they're carnie robots.

Most of all the whole Alice thing, at least to me, just makes it transparently clear how this is primarily a game about real world racism and oppression hastily painted over while trying to say as little as possible. This is chiefly a game about the underground railway but with all instances of "African American" replaced with "android" in the first editing pass. That's why anything uniquely android tends to get glossed over. What do age and gender matter to beings that don't grow or sexually reproduce? How would those essential differences affect humans in turn? Alice is potentially older than Kara, she's certainly older than Markus and Connor, how would that affect their relationship? Those would be potentially interesting questions to ask, but they get in the way of Kara's motherhood storyline so please conveniently ignore this.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

It's a JRPG with turn-based battles, it's pretty much the worst possible game to do a video LP of. They could maybe make a fun LP out of it if they cut out all the chaff and reduce the LP's size to a half or even a third, but I guess they're unwilling to tell Billy to do that. As it when I do check out a TMS video I just skip all the weapons upgrade and random battle bits and only end up watching maybe ten minutes out of every 30 minute video.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Does anyone who plays RE5, other than Pat, ever bring four entire weapons to missions? I haven't played RE5 since launch but I recall being able to do fine with just two weapons per character while still having the ability to pick things up, meanwhile these guys are armed to the teeth but a green and red herb next to each other present an insurmountable obstacle.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

DMC4 Dante will always be the true Dante in my heart because of his cowboy boots.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Captain Baal posted:

I love that dodgerolling escapes Pat on such a level he doesn't realize you can roll after Vergil blocks you and not get hit still

I have to wonder what he's gonna do when they get to DMC4. Is he just gonna, assume that Nero has no defensive options?

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Grouchio posted:

Why are we all dissing on Woolie again?

It's October, the Woolie-dissing month.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Improbable Lobster posted:

It'll get better once they record a session post-people-yelling-that-woolies-playing-wrong

One of my favorite Super Best Friends things is checking out an episode to see it start with Pat going "okay so here's a comprehensive 20-point list of all the things we missed or got wrong".

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Big Scary Owl posted:

Reversal Edge sucks but seeing how much it landed in the SC6 fisticuffs almost hurt to watch. It's supposed to help new players, but they can't deal with it at all and they keep using it. No clue what the devs were thinking with the mechanic.

cut the middle man and just do a rock-paper-scissor fisticuffs imo

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

DMC4's plot is fun in a schlocky way, but Kyrie is definitely the weakest link in that she can just be summed as "Nero's girlfriend, damsel". Not that any DMC character, male or female, is particularly complex, but at least the female characters in the other games have some kinda motivation and that femme fatale aesthetic that works well with the rest of the franchise, Kyrie doesn't even have that.

It's pretty telling that when they re-introduced old series characters in DMC5 trailers that Kyrie's the only one that's just relegated to an off-screen voice, and I doubt it's to save her cool new redesign and role in the story for future reveals.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Isn't Dorohedoro written and drawn by a woman? I never really checked it out myself but it's probably easier to accept that a grimy ultraviolence manga doesn't devolve (or even just start as) weird torture porn when it's made by a woman.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Futaba Anzu posted:

As if something being written by a woman exempts it from turning out into weird fetish porn

I mean sure, there's plenty of precedence for that, but in the specific scenario grimdark fantasy anime it still makes me less likely to assume it's going to be about how much the author wants to see women raped by subhuman hordes or how he wants to keep underage sex slaves.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

The biggest issue with Bloody Palace is that it takes like two to three hours to complete and doesn't let you save and quit at any point.

If you wanna fight Credo as Dante there's probably mods for that you can use instead of just fighting grunts for two hours for the privilege.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

the classic "i'm only pretending to be an idiot" defense

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

RareAcumen posted:

I thought it was made by the Until Dawn people.

I keep forgetting it's a Ninja Theory game because it's so tonally different from the rest of their catalog. I guess after DmC they got their teenboy edginess out of the system for good.

Captain Baal posted:

I wonder if it's gonna cut out the scene where Mundus fucks her on screen for no reason

It always amazes me that Ninja Theory kept trying to pass off DmC as this deep and nuanced take on the franchise instead of embracing being a different kind of schlock. I desperately wanna believe that was their intention and they were only told by PR they're not allowed to say it.

Then again I vaguely recall a story about a writer working on their previous game Enslaved asking if the protagonist is tossing off innocent people off a cliff to establish he's a lovely person to set up future character development only to be told nah it's to show how cool and badass he is, so maybe it's what Ninja Theory sincerely believed at the time.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Release order at least introduces concepts as they become relevant if only because it's just the order the developers thought up these concepts. Chronological order would treat a new concept like it was always there don't question it, then drop it completely for a while, then actually re-introduce and explain it.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

leave Milkshake Duck out of this

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

0 rows returned posted:

Anyway it's loving idiotic to believe that since you worked in retail and were treated like garbage that you should be an entitled poo poo to people who have no power to change things and are just trying to get through the day.

So basically, in Pat's head suffering abuse from customers in retail means he now has a lifetime pass to be an abusive customer towards retail employees? That's some critical empathy failure there.

HoboTech posted:

Also, he definitely looks poo poo up/plays ahead before they play games on channel, just so he can't be wrong. See, Bloodborne and God of War.

To be fair that's the reason I usually enjoy Pat-helmed LPs more than the others.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

I thought Pat was doing that camera zoom-in thing DMC4 had before realising that is an actual, intentional shot.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

It's pretty amazing to me how Ninja Theory talked about creating much better female characters than the original Devil May Cry franchise, then wrote a codependent girl that's just pushed around by the men in her life.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Captain Baal posted:

Why is Woolie sticking up for the sniper rifle abortion of all scenes?

I think it's less defending it and more just understanding it's intentionally messed up to depict Vergil as a complete bastard. Even while talking about it he sounds completely unenthused so I doubt he'd miss it if it was gone.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Nothing says "we respect our female characters so much more" than the main character copping a feel a second before the credits roll.

Also, bless Billy for that callback joke at the end.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

The actual plot of Kingdom Hearts is hardly complicated. Light good, dark bad, hooray friendship. It's just that as the series continues it keeps adding all these proper nouns and named characters purely to obfuscate this and hide the fact that everyone is either a Sora or an Ansem.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Oxxidation posted:

i used to tell myself i'd only get DmC if it was free on ps plus and now i don't think i would even do that

this is boring

Aside from boss fights the combat in the main game seemed decent enough, but holy poo poo is Vergil's dlc terminally boring to look at and somehow I doubt it's that much more exciting to play either based on Woolie's attitude.

Bonus points for having a teleport-based characters and constantly fighting flying enemies over bottomless pits.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

I'm a gossipy bitch so I'm super curious about all the gory details, but also I hope the public at large just forgets about this in a week because that poo poo's a private matter and between them and nobody else.

(it's pat's fault)

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

I bet it was Billy's fault.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

It is us, the fans, who failed the Super Best Friends and caused them to break up.

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a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Your Parents posted:

Isn't Liam like into cartoon child porn why does he have a rep as the nice non threatening social justice one

This is one of those things where you either have sources to back you up or don't mention at all.

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