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DACK FAYDEN posted:...have I been missing this pun the entire time? Was it actually intended in the first game? Tiz means butt in arabic slang so I thought it was a really roundabout way of making an FF5 Buttz reference
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Okay so i've mastered everything but one last job that i'll unlock later I assume (it's that creepy old guy that's got sage in his name, right?) I've got a chunk of offensive job combos but nothing for defense. What's the Spiritmaster/Salvemaker stuff?
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Golden Goat posted:Okay so i've mastered everything but one last job that i'll unlock later I assume I think the Salvemaker one is to use Giant's Draft to increase your HP to crazy levels. One thing I usually did was use a BP battery and just deflect depending on the opponent. If it was a magic/elemental attack I'd use Adaptation - the bonus here is that if there is a mix of enemies, any physical damage sustained will be absorbed back when a magic attack is used. The BP battery means that your Spiritmaster will never be in negative BP when doing this (since you need to cast it 4 times). You can do something similar with a Dark Knight and Black Bane/Dark Nebula. The other Spiritmaster trick is to case Stillness, you just need to make sure that your Spiritmaster is slower than all your other characters, but still faster than the enemies. Speed-boosting equipment or abilities help here. I think everything I did needed a BP battery, I always just had at least one character with the Red Mage abilities like BP Recovery and Revenge. With BP Recovery you can just keep casting poison on your party (I think you need the Black Mage ability Group Cast for this) and it has a good chance of raising their BP.
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Golden Goat posted:Okay so i've mastered everything but one last job that i'll unlock later I assume Spiritmaster and Salvemaker are both insanely good and work well together! Equip a Blessed shield on your Spiritmaster/Salvemaker and you don't even need a White Mage for healing! Salvemakers can double your max HP with Giants Draft (Beasts Liver + Dragon Fang), give your party elemental resistances, make the enemy weak against whatever element you choose, mix up quarter and half Elixirs for your healing needs, and all kinds of fun stuff! Spiritmasters are the masters of support. They can negate all damage for a turn- yours and the enemy's (make sure the Spiritmaster goes last), confer status and elemental immunity to your whole party, and other assorted things. They're best paired with either White Magic secondary, or Salvemaker with a Blessed Shield. Definitely invest in a BP battery, as suggested by Zaphod. Either a Red Mage/Black Mage or a Performer/Freelancer can do the job.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:22
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I've got a BP battery and loaded him up with INT to increase chance of poison so he only has to use three turns on the BP battery and can spend one to do an additional support move. Wouldn't be able to do the other combos without it. I'll play around with Salvemaker and Spiritmaster. Especially if I can manipulate enemy's elemental weaknesses.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:25
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Golden Goat posted:I've got a BP battery and loaded him up with INT to increase chance of poison so he only has to use three turns on the BP battery and can spend one to do an additional support move. Wouldn't be able to do the other combos without it. pro tip: once you're already poisoned, any further casts of poison will automatically succeed for the purpose of generating bp.
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Okay so a dual shield evade Agnes is pretty fun. She does nothing but dodge while using compounding.
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Golden Goat posted:I've got a BP battery and loaded him up with INT to increase chance of poison so he only has to use three turns on the BP battery and can spend one to do an additional support move. Wouldn't be able to do the other combos without it. Don't do this, load up your red mage with; Group Cast All, Status Ailment Amp (Arcanist) and BP recovery. You don't need the INT to increase the chance of poison and can focus on stuff that ups defense instead.
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Awh, but it lets me also throw status effects on the bosses.
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I could never boost dodge chance to a place I found acceptable. Even random encounter foes would hit a majority of the time with every conceivable dodge chance booster on the target character
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Don't do this, load up your red mage with; Group Cast All, Status Ailment Amp (Arcanist) and BP recovery. You don't need the INT to increase the chance of poison and can focus on stuff that ups defense instead. I used this exact setup for most of the game and it worked brilliantly, but a couple weeks ago I picked the game up again to finish off the last chapter and it doesn't seem to work anymore. Poison just misses constantly. Did they patch something since the last time I played? I'd swear I never saw it miss before, but now I'm in the middle of a fight where it's missed my healer for a dozen turns. 36 casts in a row, nothing. Combine that with Slow World and I'm having a hard time doing any damage between throwing potions around while my healer sits in negative BP hell. Before anyone asks, no none of my characters have any kind of status-resisting gear on. Does having high int really help with this? My battery has Templar as primary job to ensure she goes last, I suspect her int isn't very high, but it never seemed to make a difference before.
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Suaimhneas posted:I used this exact setup for most of the game and it worked brilliantly, but a couple weeks ago I picked the game up again to finish off the last chapter and it doesn't seem to work anymore. Poison just misses constantly. Did they patch something since the last time I played? I'd swear I never saw it miss before, but now I'm in the middle of a fight where it's missed my healer for a dozen turns. 36 casts in a row, nothing. Combine that with Slow World and I'm having a hard time doing any damage between throwing potions around while my healer sits in negative BP hell. It's affected by two things, Int and Mnd. Int affects the caster and Mnd affects the defender (who can also be the caster for multitarget spells). So a character with low Int is going to have trouble hitting a character with high Mnd. Templar is terrible for this because they have a -40% Int penalty and a Mnd bonus of +20%. What's happened is that as you've played through the game, whilst the percentage differences have remained the same between Int and Mnd on your characters, they've become bigger and bigger numerical differences as your stats have gone up, making it more difficult for you to hit poison. You want your character as a Red Mage sub Time Mage ideally because they rock higher defenses than the other mages whilst also having +20% Int and this gives them access to groupcast reraise.
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So I'm in chapter 5 and have a decent grinding setup, but I really just want to continue with the game/sidequests and not have to max out every job. Can anyone suggest a good party to do the side bosses/main story with?
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I finally got this game and I've done nothing but playing it for the last three daysplease send help. Other than being a super solid JRPG, the thing that impresses me the most is being able to set encounter rate and speed up combat. AKA, the reason you'd rather play JRPGs on an emulator in 2016 than on their respective systems. It's absolutely genius. Pretty much the only thing I dislike so far is Ringabel's (and several other characters') constant sexual harassment, it's getting old and I've only awakened two crystals so far  I know complaining about sexism in JRPGs is like yelling into a bottomless pit, but I love everything else about the game so much.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:02
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Ringabel's the best part of the game.
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He does start toning it down quite a bit after the halfway point, at least... Though it doesn't completely go away. Granted, I started finding another member of the group way more annoying than he ever was after that point.
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Verranicus posted:So I'm in chapter 5 and have a decent grinding setup, but I really just want to continue with the game/sidequests and not have to max out every job. Can anyone suggest a good party to do the side bosses/main story with? Quoting myself from years ago: Yorkshire Tea posted:Okay, run something like: Red Mage/Time Mage - Group cast All 3 BP Recovery 1 Status Ailment Potency (The thing out of arcanist that lets you poison easily) 1. Equip them with the +20 agi daggers from Norende.
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whoops didn't realize this thread was still active does the story content in the sub scenarios differ significantly in chapters 7 and 8 because otherwise imma just finish since my routine of enigma + drain sword + 12x dark nebula is getting rather stale at this point
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The Iron Rose posted:whoops didn't realize this thread was still active Yes Chapter 7 and 8 is where they start mixing up the Asterisk boss fights.
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The Iron Rose posted:whoops didn't realize this thread was still active Chapters 7 and 8 are the best chapters in the game precisely because of the sidequests.
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I know the actual fights against the bosses are all grouped up, I'm just curious about story/dialogue mostly
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The Iron Rose posted:I know the actual fights against the bosses are all grouped up, I'm just curious about story/dialogue mostly There's some new story content in chapter 7 that puts a bit of a different spin on some of the characters. Chapter 8 is mostly an excuse for boss rushes, though.
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The Iron Rose posted:I know the actual fights against the bosses are all grouped up, I'm just curious about story/dialogue mostly Terper posted:Chapters 7 and 8 are the best chapters in the game precisely because of the sidequests.
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Chapter 7 has some of the funniest lines in the game, so it's well worth doing for that alone.
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Chapter 6 pretty much has 1 sidequest that's different. Though a bit of the dialogue is different than in chapter 5 if you care about that. But chapters 7 and 8 have the biggest changes.
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I just finished the game after playing it obsessively for about a week and while the ending dragged on a bit I can safely say I absolutely love this game  It was JRPG as hell, but I love JRPGs. The plot twist was pretty obvious, but there were some really neat details and I like the looping as a concept. It's a shame they re-used so many cutscenes ("A g-g-g-ghost ship?!?" uh yeah, you've seen it like five times) without adding any new reactions, especially to plot-relevant stuff but the new cutscenes for the sidequests were amazing. I also discovered Where the FAIRY FLIES thing after a game over and while it's super cheesy it still made me grin.One of my favorite things is how much you can make the jobs your own, with the lore abilities and such. I don't care about min-maxing, so I really enjoyed the dress-up aspect and being able to make a viable healer/dps out of anything. I resorted to cheesing for a couple of fights, but other than that I just went with whatever I wanted. Now I'm tempted to immediately start playing Bravely Second, but perhaps I should be wary of JRPG fatigue.
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Your Computer posted:Now I'm tempted to immediately start playing Bravely Second, but perhaps I should be wary of JRPG fatigue. You visit a lot of the same dungeons with almost identical layouts and appearances so yeah, I'd hold off for a while until you get the itch. I'm enjoying BS, but the huge amount of recycled content is a bit draining.
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The Iron Rose posted:I know the actual fights against the bosses are all grouped up, I'm just curious about story/dialogue mostly The groupings get bigger/different each Chapter and you learn more about each asterisk holder as a person and their relationships to each other. It's cute and humanizing even if it's a little tedious.
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So how's bravely second for those who played it? I guess we need a new thread soon for the NA release. I really liked BD but I dunno if I really want more of that unless they made significant improvements.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:So how's bravely second for those who played it? I guess we need a new thread soon for the NA release. I really liked BD but I dunno if I really want more of that unless they made significant improvements. I actually liked it more than the first one. It's easier (which I don't think is a bad thing) and I enjoyed the writing and the story more. But there's not really that much of a difference, it's just more Bravely. Most of the improvements of Second were already included in the international release of Default, but there's a couple new things like battle chains and being able to save party setups. There's a thread for it already.
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Unfortunately Second lacks a good boss rush which abuses the broken combos.
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DoctorX posted:But there's not really that much of a difference, it's just more Bravely. I had a radically different experience going straight into Second after finishing Default. The writing is completely different, to the point where the game feels more like a spin-off than a sequel to me. It feels a lot less straight-faced than Default, you can't read two lines of text without encountering a joke or pun. Not saying this is a bad thing, but it took me by surprise. The game also feels less "Final Fantasy-y" with new jobs and enemies that aren't ripped directly from FF like most of Default's are, and since Default was basically a love letter to oldschool Final Fantasy this also makes the games feel different (but again, not necessarily a bad thing since the new jobs own). Also, partly because of the amount of jokes, the English translation differs much more from the Japanese script than in Default. This is obviously only a problem if you're a weeb who uses the Japanese voices, but it can be pretty disorienting for those who do.
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I meant that more from a gameplay perspective. I agree that the writing is different but I actually liked it better. Default felt too... generic. And I guess that's what they were going for, but I sometimes found the story predictable and the writing boring and couldn't wait for people to stop talking so that I could keep playing. I didn't feel that way with Second.
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I think the gameplay is probably better in Second, with some amazing new mechanics  Bravely Second definitely has more.. character. I agree that Default was somewhat generic, but I think they pulled it off flawlessly and it triggered all the right nostalgia from playing FF3/4/5/6 as a kid. Perhaps formulaic is a better word than generic; it has the white/black mage, the crystals, the goblins and sandworms, the brooding dark knight, almost everything is pulled from those old Final Fantasy games. In contrast, Second gives you several jobs and monsters that are completely new right off the bat, almost as if to say "guess what, this isn't Final Fantasy anymore". Being a huge sucker for text-heavy, predictable JRPGs, Bravely Default was a perfect match for me but it's probably for the better that the sequel does something different. It feels weird to go directly from the first game to the second, but once I get used to the writing I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy Second just as much as Default (especially considering the awesome new jobs and mechanics). 
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Your Computer posted:In contrast, Second gives you several jobs and monsters that are completely new right off the bat, almost as if to say "guess what, this isn't Final Fantasy anymore". I think this sums it up. It has become its own thing. Which is good, because I think if Bravely Default proved something is that nobody wants to play the same thing over and over again.
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"You know those new sidequests we added in For the Sequel?" "Yeah?" "What if we made a whole game written like those" "Cool"
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Also the writers were clearly hungry while writing most of the game.
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DoctorX posted:Also the writers were clearly hungry while writing most of the game. As someone who's hungry all the time, Food Talk™ is the best part of the game. 
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The food talk wears extremely thin and the more time that passes since I finished Second, the more my opinion of food talk sours. It would be fine if it wasn't constant and the vast majority of all side conversations.
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