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Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010



I mean in principle GAAS games aren't that far removed from a Diablo-like, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The 6 levels of difficulty for replaying the same levels though... makes it sound like a short campaign with a boring grind while waiting for new content that may or may not actually appear

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SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


Combat looks basically like Guild Wars 2

edit: Look at this UI. LOOK AT IT.





https://www.gibberlings3.net/forums/topic/30827-ui-lefreuts-enhanced-ui-bgee-sod-bg2ee-and-eet/?tab=comments#comment-275613

gotta be h onest, the games feel a lot better when your eyes are being constantly treated to that gorgeous UI

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Apr 29, 2021

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?




drat that is nice

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME


That's a gorgeous portrait.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

We have the dimension of an empire.



that camera is incredibly shaky

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

Vichan posted:

That's a gorgeous portrait.

That might be the nicest "make Imoen look like she did in 1 but updated" portrait I've seen

Mans posted:

that camera is incredibly shaky

poo poo, yeah, why is EVERYTHING shaking? Why is the UI shaking?

Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Apr 29, 2021

Ulvino
Mar 20, 2009


Vichan posted:

That's a gorgeous portrait.

Seconding this, is it from the mod?

Zeerust
May 1, 2008

They must have guessed, once or twice - guessed and refused to believe - that everything, always, collectively, had been moving toward that purified shape latent in the sky, that shape of no surprise, no second chance, no return.

Has anyone tried dualling from Swashbuckler to Fighter? It looks like going Swashbuckler 10 -> Fighter is a good way of getting a Fighter with more utility and some extra baked-in AC and offensive bonuses, but I'm not sure if it's actually worth the time and effort in the long run.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Zeerust posted:

Has anyone tried dualling from Swashbuckler to Fighter? It looks like going Swashbuckler 10 -> Fighter is a good way of getting a Fighter with more utility and some extra baked-in AC and offensive bonuses, but I'm not sure if it's actually worth the time and effort in the long run.

By level 12 or so your fighter should only be getting hit on 20's anyways. It's perfectly doable and better than several single class builds, but the main reason would be you don't want to bother with sneak attacks and don't want an extra character for traps/unlocking.

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Zeerust posted:

Has anyone tried dualling from Swashbuckler to Fighter? It looks like going Swashbuckler 10 -> Fighter is a good way of getting a Fighter with more utility and some extra baked-in AC and offensive bonuses, but I'm not sure if it's actually worth the time and effort in the long run.

Thief->Fighter is not optimal by any means but I've done it, it certainly works fine so I'd say go ahead.

In terms of swashbuckler specifically, one of the main advantage of swashbucklers are their proficiency points, which is redundant if you plan to dual into fighter. So over a base thief you're looking at gaining a +3 to hit and damage in exchange for no backstab. Personally I think backstab is the main benefit of fighter/thief builds but it depends how you want to play it.

Also ten levels of thief is a lot to invest. If you're looking to add utility to your fighter I think you only need like 6 levels to get 100 in find traps and open locks. So again you're sacrificing quite a lot of XP in exchange for that third + to hit and damage.

You might've already thought of all this, but that's my rundown anyway. TL;dr +3 to hit and damage is nothing to scorn but you lose backstab which sucks.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Zeerust posted:

Has anyone tried dualling from Swashbuckler to Fighter? It looks like going Swashbuckler 10 -> Fighter is a good way of getting a Fighter with more utility and some extra baked-in AC and offensive bonuses, but I'm not sure if it's actually worth the time and effort in the long run.

You could make the argument that every reverse duel class is to get some useful bonuses/utility for a fighter, but the base fighter class is complete poo poo compared to the kits and unless you use Shadowkeeper to duel to a kit there's not really a point. Swashbuckler though doesn't get any inherent per day abilities which makes it less attractive then the others.

Maybe if you max lockpick/find traps right away so you don't need a main thief but then you're taking off armor every time you need to use thief skills (unless that's the G3 mod and not base game) so it becomes a chore to for your thief needs.

Other options
Cleric-fighter: needing 15 wisdom for a fighter, pretty lame but some level 1-3 buffs are always helpful
Druid-Fighter: needing 15 wisdom AND 15 charisma, literally useless unless for RP reasons
Mage-Fighter: armor would impede casting, no point

Otherwise, berserker, kensai, dwarven defender, all could be duel to a base thief/mage/cleric and probably be far superior to a single class equivalent.

Zeerust
May 1, 2008

They must have guessed, once or twice - guessed and refused to believe - that everything, always, collectively, had been moving toward that purified shape latent in the sky, that shape of no surprise, no second chance, no return.

Fair enough. The primary draw to me seems that Thief 10 only needs 160k, which means in the long run you're losing 1 level of post-9 Fighter for 4 extra proficiency slots, 100 Find Traps / Open Locks and >100 Pick Pockets on your PC, as well as +3 AC and +2 Hit/Damage.

The primary drawbacks to me seem to be needing 750k to reactivate your Thief levels, some slight weapon restrictions, and significantly worse HP.

I can see how it's not an optimal build in the sense it isn't a Fighter/Cleric or Fighter/Mage, though. I've never gotten the hang of backstabs, they require more micromanaging than I'm generally comfortable with.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




For dual classing, most kits of Fighter have vanishingly small advantages after level 7 or 9. Which also means dualing into fighter is not optimal.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

lmao you can play as a fighter, fighter (dwarf), archer, or not-drizz't

I mean I don't particularly care about strict D&D fidelity but come the gently caress on


pentyne posted:

Otherwise, berserker, kensai, dwarven defender, all could be duel to a base thief/mage/cleric and probably be far superior to a single class equivalent.

what how

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Zulily Zoetrope posted:

lmao you can play as a fighter, fighter (dwarf), archer, or not-drizz't

I mean I don't particularly care about strict D&D fidelity but come the gently caress on


what how

Probably through the poster's oversight.

However through the magic of EEKeeper, all things are possible.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




I missed that bit, probably because I install mods that let me dual class with any race and multiclass with any race and any race can be any class, but yeah, you generally have to be a dwarf to be a dwarven defender and dwarves can't dual class without mods.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


Zeerust posted:

Has anyone tried dualling from Swashbuckler to Fighter? It looks like going Swashbuckler 10 -> Fighter is a good way of getting a Fighter with more utility and some extra baked-in AC and offensive bonuses, but I'm not sure if it's actually worth the time and effort in the long run.

I used to play Swashbuckler back in the day so I was considering doing something like this, but in the end I decided to to Berserker 9->Thief. I'll just use Imoen for my thieving skills, which is fine because it fits better into the canon anyway. The reason for this is access to Thief HLAs in BG2 which are supposedly a lot better than Fighter HLAs. Specifically I am building towards 2H Swords so that I can use Carsomyr with Use Any Item. I'm still at the beginning of BG1, but so far my Rage ability has already saved my butt a couple times. Its a super good ability.

Also by the time I get to BG2 I might decide I don't want to be a Thief at which point I could decide to be a mage or something, and still be just as optimal. I would just change my Weapon Specializations in some sort of editor.

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 29, 2021

AtillatheBum
Oct 6, 2010

Justice ain't gonna dispense itself.


SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I'm still at the beginning of BG1, but so far my Rage ability has already saved my butt a couple times. Its a super good ability.

Yeah, my party was having a lot of trouble with the sirens at the coast in BG1 before I remembered I could just send in my Berserker PC alone and just kill them all one by one.

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Berserker Rage is by far the strongest kit ability in the game imo. It's pretty ridiculous what it makes you immune to, and it's duration.

biscuits and crazy
Oct 10, 2012




Just out of interest, where did you get that portrait? Its really good.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


biscuits and crazy posted:

Just out of interest, where did you get that portrait? Its really good.

That screenshot was just from the mods page. After the first person mentioned it I spent about 15 minutes trying to find it but I didn't have any luck.

bike tory
May 6, 2007



It's here: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/21727/favourite-image-of-imoen/p3?hcb=1

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy


But even they don't know where it's from, it's like a ghost portrait

bike tory
May 6, 2007



Looks like it's from an abandoned Imoen Relationship mod from SHS. Not the Imoen Romance mod, thankfully.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

We have the dimension of an empire.


goblin week posted:

The original imoen romance mod had a scene in which you could brain Imoen with a rock.

That's definitely not being a queer fellow.

Oh my god some player feedback:

quote:

What it did wrong- I would have to say the eventual opportunity to beat her to death in (what seemed like) every other dialogue. It was too much. If you've played it, you might know what I mean.

quote:

Also, those random nonsensical replies were rather annoying, especially one completely stupid reply where you are sniffing Imoen's underwear or something, it seemed to just turn into a nonsense talk mod, so I'd advise against doing stuff like that.

quote:

Another thing that you have mentioned is that there will be space for both friendship and possible romance, yet Lord M. seemed to only offer softcore porn at every turn instead.

quote:

Afterwards she will be ashamed of what you two did because you are siblings (the whole incest issue) and refuse to talk to you until you get her soul back from Bodhi. At that point, you have the opportunity to talk to her privately about your problems, and it is here you have to convince her that you being "siblings" doesn't matter.

quote:

once again, the options were simply there, and you by no means HAD to select them.

quote:

I read some of the more brutal dialouges in Infinity Explorer and, there was something that really annoyed me. Imoen always won. It didn't matter that she had a nine streingth and low constitution and my PC had an 18 streingth and 18 constitution.

Mans fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Apr 30, 2021

bike tory
May 6, 2007



hoooo boy that last one

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Mans posted:

That's definitely not being a queer fellow.

Oh my god some player feedback:

Last guy definitely plays exalted.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


Speaking of mods, I've really been enjoying the BG1NPC project. I played a bit without mods and ended up restarting with mods and the difference was immediately noticeable. I know its gotten some flak here in the past but I think it adds a lot of charm to the game thats otherwise just not there until BG2

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Speaking of mods, I've really been enjoying the BG1NPC project. I played a bit without mods and ended up restarting with mods and the difference was immediately noticeable. I know its gotten some flak here in the past but I think it adds a lot of charm to the game thats otherwise just not there until BG2

It's fine depending on the author! Then you get to stuff like Xan's first sidequest with the gnome (just kill the drat gnome or ogres or you have to sit through a slow as hell magic trick that uncovers the whole fog of war for the map for no reason) and his annoyingly-difficult-for-a-low-level larger sidequest, and his interaction with Centeol where she's randomly like that because of an illusion he can just dispel with no trouble.

And Kivan, who only interrupts being the saddest sack in the universe to tell you the leaves are singing and invite you to ~dance with the leaves~

And ANYTHING with Faldorn, I couldn't even stand her long enough to clear the mines.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


So far I've only had Imoen, Khalid and Jaheira and they've all been fine. I suppose it makes sense they would put the good stuff at the beginning because yikes

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

So far I've only had Imoen, Khalid and Jaheira and they've all been fine. I suppose it makes sense they would put the good stuff at the beginning because yikes

The mod has multiple authors and therein lies the problem. The authors are split up by character, so the quality varies.

Don't get me wrong, I always install it for the extra dialog, just be warned that the quality swerves.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.


They interject waaaayyy too much. Basically every author made their NPC a Mary Sue.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

Well, it is a mod to make them interject more! The sues are Xan and Kivan and maybe Coran. I don't get that impression from anyone else, but I don't attest to any romances.

The biggest DON'Ts are Xan and Faldorn. You can probably stomach Kivan for his actual quest content if you really want, it's mostly his random dialog that's just goddamn dire. The main five and Yeslick are good enough. Tiax, Garrick, Coran, and Eldoth/Skie are fine to take for their quests at least, though Coran's at the Firewine sucks and his baby extension is extremely hilarious in concept. You probably won't notice anything too wrong if you take Shar-Teel just long enough to talk to Angelo, just do not bang her, for the love of god, that one's infamous. Everyone else, I didn't notice anything egregious or I didn't take them along, but I also didn't bang anybody, and I hear that way lies madness. A lot of the characters are kinda one-note or boring anyway, like Ajantis, so more of them didn't really stick out.

I'd actually recommend Tiax for his extremely quick quest and Eldoth/Skie for the "fugitive in Baldur's Gate" portion of the plot. Makes SoD make a lot more sense, even though it didn't have either of those in mind. At least you'll remember who the hell they are that way. Skie gets a lot of dialog about her dad, obviously, and Skie/Eldoth can leave after you take out the assassins in the sewers so you can go back to whoever you want to end with. Quayle and Safana could have used something to make them a little more memorable when SoD/2 happens, but they didn't get it.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

We have the dimension of an empire.


SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Speaking of mods, I've really been enjoying the BG1NPC project. I played a bit without mods and ended up restarting with mods and the difference was immediately noticeable. I know its gotten some flak here in the past but I think it adds a lot of charm to the game thats otherwise just not there until BG2

This and romantic encounters (it's not actually all that horny it turns out) make the first game much more livelier. There's some questionable stuff there but thankfully, the overall packages are very entertaining

Cafe Barbarian
Apr 22, 2016

There's one roulade I can't sing

Vichan covered a lot of the BG1 NPC project content in his AMAZING and ongoing Sandrah Saga let's play.

I don't have interest in it personally, I guess I just imagine that the party is chatting about stuff as they travel around but I don't need to have it actually pop up onscreen.

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012



The party already chats between each other in original BG, it's just mostly canned audio so it doesn't leave an impact as much. But to be honest I kind of like it a little more, I like disentangling the implied web of interpersonal interaction and figuring out absolutely everyone loathes Eldoth and will celebrate his death regardless of their alignment

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010


Yeah there’s very limited party interaction in BG1 which makes it really funny that a significant amount of it is dunking in Eldoth

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008


Anyone else ever feel that the number of traps in Durlag's Tower is at least partly to ensure you spend as much time inching your Thief forward, so that you spend as long as possible in the loving place?

Ramc
May 4, 2008

"Losing? That's a bad strategy, son, plus it's gruesome. Winning is what I do, stick to that."



kingturnip posted:

Anyone else ever feel that the number of traps in Durlag's Tower is at least partly to ensure you spend as much time inching your Thief forward, so that you spend as long as possible in the loving place?

yes

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SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


gotta justify the existence of thieves in BG1 somehow. I take them because I take great joy in robbing all the houses in the towns but its definitely sub-optimal

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