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Studio posted:This patch is butts I really hope they substantially fix it before relegations/Battle of the Atlantic.
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Would any goons be interested in creating a team for ranked 5's as well as solo queue partners and maybe some low-tier tournaments?
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Nov 27, 2013 03:35
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Studio posted:This patch is butts It's pre-season, they're all butts. I'd say it's still better then League of Cleavers
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Nov 27, 2013 03:37
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Might want to add a link to foutre's stream/LP in the OP. The latter is esp. good for new or less involved people. https://www.twitch.tv/mmmyes and the LP: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3579028
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Nov 27, 2013 03:41
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I understand the basics of Warchicken, but did he really, truly genuinely believe that Riot literally flagged accounts for losses and the queue deliberately matched you badly to force you to lose? I have trouble wrapping my head around that one.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:44
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Studio posted:This patch is butts Hush now and go play a Taric.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:46
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PlaceholderPigeon posted:Latin America tribunal comic? Whats that? http://tribunal-comic.leagueoflegends.com/.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:48
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Parrrley is still gonna proc the execute. Support GP is still alive!
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Nov 27, 2013 03:55
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Parrrley is still gonna proc the execute.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:57
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Parrrley is still gonna proc the execute. I think they'll change it again because it's still super viable for adcs to take atm. It's pretty annoying running into two of them bot lane
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Nov 27, 2013 03:59
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Flameingblack posted:Does this mean Ezreal's Q will, too? Because if so I found my new bot lane duo I doubt it. Gangplank still counts as melee, so his autoattack replacer would execute. Ez is ranged.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:00
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Flameingblack posted:Does this mean Ezreal's Q will, too? Because if so I found my new bot lane duo E real Q is ranged. GP has a weird setup on his Q
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Nov 27, 2013 04:00
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No, Mystic Shot won't (and never did). Parrrley will still proc it, because for all intensive purposes Parrrley is a ranged melee auto attack.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:00
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It's intents and purposes. 
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Nov 27, 2013 04:02
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Damiya posted:I think they'll change it again because it's still super viable for adcs to take atm. It's pretty annoying running into two of them bot lane You're really dumb right now if you're playing old-school supports. Annie and Taric are absolutely dominating bottom lane, Leona and Mundo are really strong too, while Sona and Nami receive minor nerfs until level 12 or 16 or so, which doesn't matter because they don't scale as well off items as Annie, Taric, Mundo, or Leona do. Anybody that scales with items and has utility is a really good support right now. e: quote:Uhhh, isn't Taric about as Old School as you can get. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 04:02
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How does that apply to Kayle's range modifier?
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Nov 27, 2013 04:03
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Flameingblack posted:It doesn't matter how they fix it, because Taric is still broken, and so is Annie. Uhhh, isn't Taric about as Old School as you can get. Squashy posted:How does that apply to Kayle's range modifier? When Kayle hits E she turns into a ranged character according to the game. That's why she can proc Hydra normally but loses the proc and active when she turns on E.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:05
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Squashy posted:How does that apply to Kayle's range modifier? When her E is active she is considered ranged, so it wouldn't execute. Same for the other transformers and their ranged/melee forms. GP is different because his Q is just a ranged version of his attack, it doesn't actually change his range.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:05
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Studio posted:This patch is butts I agree. So far I really hate the 3.14 patch. Playing about a dozen support games so far. I have money to buy items, but have limitations which prevent me from controlling vision. Naturally, with all of their free trinkets that shoot wards out, my team should accommodate for this, of course they do not and blame me. Without a reliable way to permanently clear out vision from either jungle (Oracle's being gone), both teams spend nearly 30 minutes of the game taking turns juking in and out of the each other's jungle death-matching. I've seen minions take down an inhibitor tower and inhibitor while people were death-matching in the jungle. This is in Platinum ranked games. Baron and Dragon are almost never attempted unless it's an obvious ace or bot lane double kill. Everyone just builds pure damage and smashes into each other in a way that reminds me of this scene from Tommy Boy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XvxDaIwCw I'm really hoping that some more changes are in store which will modify this a bit, or that extensive competitive play on the new patch will reveal a better style of play than what has emerged in solo queue, but I doubt it, and I think this is probably the way the game is going to be for the next year. People just blindly loving each other in the jungle for 40 minutes to a stalemate and then one team throws and the game ends. That's how pretty much all of my games have gone in this patch.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:08
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Libertine posted:I'm really hoping that some more changes are in store which will modify this a bit, or that extensive competitive play on the new patch will reveal a better style of play than what has emerged in solo queue, but I doubt it, and I think this is probably the way the game is going to be for the next year. People just blindly loving each other in the jungle for 40 minutes to a stalemate and then one team throws and the game ends. That's how pretty much all of my games have gone in this patch.  The five-second oracles on red trinket doesn't really cut it unless you're running a mobility boots support who can zoom around and mark wards to be taken out later with pinks. The cooldown on red trinket is quite a bit to be used as a reliable oracles.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:11
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I wonder if they still remember about Alistar.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:14
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The only thing I understood was "teemo uggghhh". Some things are universal
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Nov 27, 2013 04:16
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I wonder if they still remember about Alistar. Well apparently anytime Alistar is strong enough to do something other then support it turns the game on it's loving head. I wasn't around for jungle Alistar, but if the stories were true it involved him ganking you literally underneath your tower with no creeps, and this was before he hit 6.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:17
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Well apparently anytime Alistar is strong enough to do something other then support it turns the game on it's loving head. Literally yes, it was that bad.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:21
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Nasus is the stupidest loving champion. He encourages just farming over and over to win a game. He can just wither the carry and not care, nothing your team can do about his 5 defensive items and 300 damage Qs on the carry. Would not mind him being dumpstered.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:28
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E: ^^^^^ he just got nerfed again, and games don't exactly last a million years anymore. He's fine. Verviticus posted:Literally yes, it was that bad. On the other side of the coin, it was an excellent time to learn to time flashes. If you flash at the right time, you won't get hit with any of his combo, and if you're a champion with a decent stun you could even get kills off it pre-6. After that? Good luck.
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How Rude posted:Nasus is the stupidest loving champion. He encourages just farming over and over to win a game. He can just wither the carry and not care, nothing your team can do about his 5 defensive items and 300 damage Qs on the carry. Would not mind him being dumpstered. You'll have to wait until Infernal Nasus has been out a couple more weeks
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How Rude posted:_____ is the stupidest loving champion. He encourages just _____ over and over to win a game. He can just ____ the _____ and not care, nothing your team can do about his 5 _____ items and _____. Would not mind him being dumpstered. Every mad post about LoL.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:31
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Flameingblack posted:It doesn't matter how they fix it, because Taric is still broken, and so is Annie. Okay, can someone explain this to me as if I were a small child? I can't figure out why everyone is talking like supports are getting super fed off the new items. I mean, it's really nice not having the ward/oracle tax every time I back, but at the end of the day, especially now that ADCs probably won't want to buy one, aren't you just ending up with 35 CS or so by 20 minutes? It's not even free (for you), you have to last hit the minions, albeit with a huge margin. I mean, I get that its neat that ADCs get extra-paid off of it, but the only gold the support sees is the actual CS money, right? An Annie mid with 40 CS at 20 minutes is hilariously behind.
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Phenotype posted:Okay, can someone explain this to me as if I were a small child? I can't figure out why everyone is talking like supports are getting super fed off the new items. I mean, it's really nice not having the ward/oracle tax every time I back, but at the end of the day, especially now that ADCs probably won't want to buy one, aren't you just ending up with 35 CS or so by 20 minutes? It's not even free (for you), you have to last hit the minions, albeit with a huge margin. Youre also spending less money on wards and none on oracles.
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Phenotype posted:Okay, can someone explain this to me as if I were a small child? I can't figure out why everyone is talking like supports are getting super fed off the new items. I mean, it's really nice not having the ward/oracle tax every time I back, but at the end of the day, especially now that ADCs probably won't want to buy one, aren't you just ending up with 35 CS or so by 20 minutes? It's not even free (for you), you have to last hit the minions, albeit with a huge margin. Taric, Leona, and Alistars job was to be super tanky and protect their carry, or hard initiate and feed them. Now they're getting enough money to build a Frozen Heart, Frozen Fist, Sunfire Cape, whatever they want to at 15 minutes if their lane is doing well. They're not being forced to spend all their money on utility items or wards anymore. Annie is super strong right now, because she can take advantage of all that extra gold in the very unique way of turning into a second AP Carry that sits around, bursts down multiple targets, and protects your carry just as well as Nami or Sona could, with the ability to do it without an ult, and the advantage of scaling AP that lets them build an early Deathcap by 15 minutes. Basically all of the new support changes combined are giving support champions gold on par with any other carry in the game without having to spend it all on wards. All a support needs to build right now is a single Sightstone and they're good for the whole game since they can only place 3 wards anyway. The changes were meant to lighten the burden on support champions, but in reality no one's really adapted yet so in general there's just less vision and people aren't compensating like they were supposed to. Depending on your elo (All the way up through mid-level gold) most people still haven't caught on at how ridiculous Annie or Taric are so you can abuse the poo poo out of them for picking Soraka, or Sona by bullying them out of lane, winning lane, and roaming while being as powerful as an AP carry or in taric's case near invincibility. Support players are getting double the gold by 20 minutes as they were before, and not having to spend hardly any of it on wards. They become super-tanks or carries.
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Phenotype posted:Okay, can someone explain this to me as if I were a small child? I can't figure out why everyone is talking like supports are getting super fed off the new items. I mean, it's really nice not having the ward/oracle tax every time I back, but at the end of the day, especially now that ADCs probably won't want to buy one, aren't you just ending up with 35 CS or so by 20 minutes? It's not even free (for you), you have to last hit the minions, albeit with a huge margin. People are overexaggerating because they aren't used to supports being able to do anything at all other than play around with map vision and occasionally CC someone. In all actuality, the game is fine and it's just an actual 5v5 now instead of a 4v4 with a ward bitch on each side. Nobody likes change, so they're complaining. Basically anyone complaining about Taric right now is a complete chode. e: Try playing characters other than "traditional" supports as the compliment to the ADC bot lane if you don't like how terribad Sona and Soraka are. Rammus is apparently really good, for example. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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The Shortest Path posted:People are overexaggerating because they aren't used to supports being able to do anything at all other than play around with map vision and occasionally CC someone. The new passive: After using an ability, Taric's next basic attack deals bonus magic damage equal to 30% of Taric's armor and reduces his abilities' cooldown by 2 seconds. By building a Frozen Heart or Randuin Taric is both unkillable early on AND does a lot of damage AND shreds armor doing true damage to anyone that doesn't have much armor. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 04:42
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Flameingblack posted:Taric's W is really messy right now and people can take him jungle or top and still dominate. There were changes to his kit that make him extremely strong. Taric being able to solo lane or jungle is in no way, shape, or form a bad thing. Characters being relegated to the role of ward bitch is something that has needed to be done away with for a long time now. Supports being an actual fifth character that are strong on their own merits is not bad for the game, and characters that have otherwise only been able to play in the support role is likewise not something that needs to stick around. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 04:45
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Flameingblack posted:Taric's W is really messy right now and people can take him jungle or top and still dominate. There were changes to his kit that make him extremely strong. It is funny that how I am hearing how strong he is now. But yet to personally seen some success both playing and playing against him
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The Shortest Path posted:Taric being able to solo lane or jungle is in no way, shape, or form a bad thing. Characters being relegated to the role of ward bitch is something that has needed to be done away with for a long time now. Stevefin posted:It is funny that how I am hearing how strong he is now. But yet to personally seen some success both playing and playing against him
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Nov 27, 2013 04:48
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Flameingblack posted:Taric's W/passive is really messy right now and people can take him jungle or top and still dominate. There were changes to his kit that make him extremely strong. Caveat - if you do take him support as usual, be aware that playing a strong support doesn't automatically make you win lane. Especially when your marksman decides to counter themselves and pick Vayne into a Thresh/Caitlyn lane. Edit: on the other hand 7/10 of my support Mundo games have been wins. If you know where the enemy jungler is starting, just walk over there (if it's convenient) and start throwing cleavers around them. This is especially easy if you're blue side and the enemy jungler is starting at their blue buff. Just walk up and throw a couple cleavers. You won't kill them, but you will royally piss them off. You can start doing this as early as 1:30 if you throw a couple cleavers into the river bush where someone is guaranteed to be standing guard, too. bewilderment fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 04:50
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Flameingblack posted:His new passive is a sheen that scales with the amount of armor he has. If he has a lot of armor, he does a lot of damage. He's also super tanky. Read patch notes, listen to input from pro players. SaintVicious spent all day abusing Taric's new passive. I really doubt Annie and Taric being this strong right now is intended, because there's no reason to use anyone who doesn't scale with money anymore. What's Nami or Sona going to do with a bunch of gold? Their utility scales but it doesn't scale nearly as hard as others do. I'm perfectly aware of what Taric does and why he is strong. He still isn't "broken", people just need to learn what he does and how to play against him. He's functional as another bruiser that has some sustain and still has hella mana issues. Stacking armor on him just makes him super vulnerable to mages, which he's always had a problem with dealing with especially on a support gold income. You're overreacting because a character that used to be bad is doing something he hasn't been able to do before. Saint Vicious is going to stomp anyone who he plays against because he's loving saintvicious. e: And regarding the money thing, they just need to make Sona/Soraka/Lulu have better scaling so that they can actually do something. Other supports need buffs instead of the ones that benefit from the changes getting nerfed. You and the rest of the league community need to get the idea out of your head of supports being less functional than other characters. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 04:52
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Verviticus posted:Literally yes, it was that bad. There was basically nothing you could do about it. Then Alistar would piss on your grave by healing the laner that you tried to weaken with your dying breath so by the time you come back he's full health again.
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Flameingblack posted:His new passive is a sheen that scales with the amount of armor he has. If he has a lot of armor, he does a lot of damage. He's also super tanky. Read patch notes, listen to input from pro players. SaintVicious spent all day abusing Taric's new passive. I really doubt Annie and Taric being this strong right now is intended, because there's no reason to use anyone who doesn't scale with money anymore. What's Nami or Sona going to do with a bunch of gold? Their utility scales but it doesn't scale nearly as hard as others do. Oddly enough, whenever I've watched any streams I've only seen one support Taric. And Xpecial is not doing well at all. The support Fiddles he's facing on the other hand... Also, happy to see Jungle Mundo coming back.
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