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Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

RareAcumen posted:

If it's just a gif thing then don't mind me.

I think it is, because of their limited colour palette. Even with a full 256, it still looked really, really awful.

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


legoman727 posted:

Yeah... the character design in this game is hilariously inconsistent, but the female PCs are especially bad. Every single one of them has that slight problem, capped off with the design for that one thing Dragonatrix has thankfully banished to the shadow realm.

This is what we really need to have a vote on.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

RareAcumen posted:

It seems more like they've got oranges stuffed in their shirts.

You must have some weird-rear end oranges that grow where you live, because goddamn.

And to think people thought Haru's outfit in the first game was stupid.

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Feinne posted:

(if you followed the sadly deceased LP of this game from a while back you may recall that I'm insane and did pretty much the most painful run from a gameplay perspective that you can do as a first cycle)

Yes. I think most of us remember at this point.

GodofDiscord
Sep 5, 2013

Not the strongest, but the cutest.
Oh! This game! I played the first game, and while I could not complete it, I thought it was pretty fun. Then I bought Overclocked and I beat every route in the game, that was super fun!

I never did get this game, because reasons, but I really liked it. I am also one of the weird people who LIKED the anime adaptation. Yes, I liked that piece of poo poo, judge me if you will. (You probably will judge me :( ) But yeah the anime was pretty cool, not a faithful anime adaptation, but really since when was any adaptation faithful. Maybe I liked it because I never played the game? Oh well, it doesn't really matter.

I've heard that there's going to be a re-release of this game called Break Record? that's going to be the same thing? as Overclocked so I'll be waiting for that version to release.
But still I've never seen someone let's play DESU 2, or the first game for that matter, so this will be a treat.

On the breast physics thing, I'll chalk it up to :japan: and ignore it. Sides the ladies, for the most part, are pretty great!!
Everyone's pretty great!
Gonna favorite the poo poo out of this! Thanks for starting this up Dragonatrix, I wish you the best of luck!!!

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

GodofDiscord posted:

I never did get this game, because reasons, but I really liked it. I am also one of the weird people who LIKED the anime adaptation. Yes, I liked that piece of poo poo, judge me if you will. (You probably will judge me :( ) But yeah the anime was pretty cool, not a faithful anime adaptation, but really since when was any adaptation faithful. Maybe I liked it because I never played the game? Oh well, it doesn't really matter.

You guessed correctly, I am actually judging you. Not having played the game is not an excuse. :colbert:

On the topic of builds, I have never run a Strength build in this game because it would be depriving a certain character we'll be meeting later of a role and I could never bring myself to do that. So I pretty much always run Magic/Vitality or Magic/Agility, to the point where I haven't put a single point in Strength for about five playthroughs. Dragonatrix lies to you, Strength points are completely unnecessary. Down with the burly jocks, in with the pasty nerds! VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

alcharagia posted:

You guessed correctly, I am actually judging you. Not having played the game is not an excuse. :colbert:

On the topic of builds, I have never run a Strength build in this game because it would be depriving a certain character we'll be meeting later of a role and I could never bring myself to do that. So I pretty much always run Magic/Vitality or Magic/Agility, to the point where I haven't put a single point in Strength for about five playthroughs. Dragonatrix lies to you, Strength points are completely unnecessary. Down with the burly jocks, in with the pasty nerds! VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!

Yeah, you only really get one thing out of Strength in a Magic build, so at most one Magic character in your party would need it.

Junpei Hyde posted:


...Do I want to know details?


We technically had a choice over navigators, if you want to see Tico-Tico you should look up the other LP on the archives. I always pick her because she's clearly the more ATLUS choice.

Feinne fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Dec 8, 2013

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




legoman727 posted:

that one thing Dragonatrix has thankfully banished to the shadow realm.

...Do I want to know details?

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Junpei Hyde posted:

...Do I want to know details?

I think you're good.

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole

Feinne posted:

We technically had a choice over navigators, if you want to see Tico-Tico you should look up the other LP on the archives. I always pick her because she's clearly the more ATLUS choice.

Yeah, Lady Tico is definitely the superior choice. I rly think the the tone of the game fits better with her.

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Ooh! Are we messing with Adora?



Momomo posted:

Yeah, Lady Tico is definitely the superior choice. I rlly think the the tone of the game fits better with her.

Also yes, Tico-Tico is clearly the superior choice.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Kaboom Dragoon posted:

You must have some weird-rear end oranges that grow where you live, because goddamn.

And to think people thought Haru's outfit in the first game was stupid.

Maybe I am using too small a fruit example. I meant that they just kinda sit there like they stuffed their shirts with something. It's obviously just ~Anime women figures~ at work though.

Though this brings to light that I am terrible at comparisons! :v:

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

Momomo posted:

Yeah, Lady Tico is definitely the superior choice. I rilly think the the tone of the game fits better with her.

As true as this is, the one time I tried to play the game with Lady Tico I did not finish it, and ended up restarting. Thankfully, that was not my first playthrough, so that helped with that decision. :v:

vilkacis
Feb 16, 2011



I honestly have no idea how this guy keeps finding work.


e: any particular reason you're not posting the opening?

vilkacis fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Dec 9, 2013

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
It's like her collarbone/shoulders and arms have no actual connection with the rest of her torso. It's like looking at one of those impossible object drawings.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
As with the wardrobe of some characters I think it's just a problem of him drawing things in such a way that important details are blocked. For example with Io there, I'm pretty sure the solution to both her chest and her shoulders is that in the art that's drawing from she's standing with some fuckin' weirdass posture. WHY he didn't draw art where she wasn't standing funny for them to pull from I have no drat idea.

For example, there's an art of her from the artbook or w/e where her design is at least defensible.

Feinne fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Dec 9, 2013

SWMadness
Jul 16, 2011

Excellent.

Feinne posted:

As with the wardrobe of some characters I think it's just a problem of him drawing things in such a way that important details are blocked. For example with Io there, I'm pretty sure the solution to both her chest and her shoulders is that in the art that's drawing from she's standing with some fuckin' weirdass posture. WHY he didn't draw art where she wasn't standing funny for them to pull from I have no drat idea.

For example, there's an art of her from the artbook or w/e where her design is at least defensible.




Yeah, that looks reasonable there. It's just really distracting in the dialogue portraits.

Archaotic
Aug 12, 2008

Feinne posted:

As with the wardrobe of some characters I think it's just a problem of him drawing things in such a way that important details are blocked. For example with Io there, I'm pretty sure the solution to both her chest and her shoulders is that in the art that's drawing from she's standing with some fuckin' weirdass posture. WHY he didn't draw art where she wasn't standing funny for them to pull from I have no drat idea.

For example, there's an art of her from the artbook or w/e where her design is at least defensible.



Proportions are a bit better, but that face is still pretty awful. Honestly, the designs in these games have been one of the main reasons I never actually finished the first one. It's just kind of distracting.

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
I don't remember the drawings being as noticeably bad in the first one. They were ridiculous sure, but Io looks plain shoddily drawn.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

A couple of the characters from the first were pretty top-heavy, and Haru's outfit was one shoulder-shrug or a stiff-breeze away from a higher age rating, but I think that was about it. On the plus side, the main character's not directly designed to be a knock-off of the P3 protagonist, so that's something.

Arcade Rabbit
Nov 11, 2013

Haru from the first game is a good example of how cutting off the full designs to fit on the screen is a negative. On screen, Haru's dress looks like its barely there and less like its about to fall off and more like its about to disintegrate into the ether. The full art reveals that there's a lot more to it and its actually a rather pretty dress. Its cumbercome and certainly not what I'd want to wear when demons are running amok, but I have seen dresses similiar to it being worn by actual people. For the most part, the designs in these games are generally pretty good. Yeah, some are a bit anime (purposefully so for one character in the first game) but even those ones are mostly okay. Its more the body style and screen cutoff that makes them look worse than they are.

That being said, I am not excusing that character. You know the one I mean. And if you don't, just wait. Then you can complain.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Archaotic posted:

Proportions are a bit better, but that face is still pretty awful.

Is it really that different from a typical anime face?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!
There's women like that with those proportions in real life... that probably wouldn't be hanging out with nerdy teenage guys under normal circumstances. They'd be too busy being, you know, incredibly popular with everyone they meet ever.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Mister Roboto posted:

There's women like that with those proportions in real life... that probably wouldn't be hanging out with nerdy teenage guys under normal circumstances. They'd be too busy being, you know, incredibly popular with everyone they meet ever.

Well, to be fair we had a thing she wanted and then whoops near death poo poo, so it's not so silly that she's sticking with us.

Despite her having a goofy design I like Io, she's one of the better characters who is usually with you.

Feinne fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Dec 10, 2013

legoman727
Mar 13, 2010

by exmarx
I think Io and Daichi are like the one thing the DS2 anime actually did right, but that's for much later. (Well okay one of two things, but we'll get to that eventually too.)

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

Feinne posted:


Despite her having a goofy design I like Io, she's one of the better characters who is usually with you.

Honestly, all the female PCs in this game are pretty great. It definitely seems like the developers took a lot of the criticisms of the girls from the first DS and fixed them.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Sunday's Melancholy (III)

[Music: In The Devastated Town]



These 3 received, by far, the least amount of votes so let's go through them in this order. It's efficient enough and it works nicely.



Get used to seeing this place now because we'll be back here a lot.






All victims will be led to the nearest shelter. Please follow those in charge here!
A shelter...? I'll be in trouble if I don't show up for work.
My child's at school! I need to hurry back...!



Hey... What are you doing!? It's too dangerous ahead! You need to head to the shelter--
Shut up! I'm just going to my office! It's fine as long as I evacuate after that, right?
But...!
You've got no right to boss us around like this! Ugh...!

The man leaves...



...I repeat! The Shinjuku area ahead is extremely dangerous!
Please follow the directions from the authorities and head to the nearest shelter!

You can hear muttered complaints from the people nearby...



Well, this route was a bust so let's try somewhere else.



Heading towards a woman we may, or may not, have met before could give us directions towards what we want.








I see... Given how much time has elapsed, there's a good chance fires will break out.
HQ's policy is to recall the SDF in these situations. We want to rescue them, but...
Of course. Do it. If we let emotion spur us to bad choices, we're unfit for command.
...Understood. How shall we proceed?
This is a state of emergency. Avoid acting in isolation and you may have some visibility.



He'll allow it if you come across any. Just... keep your surroundings in mind.
Understood. What will you do?



The woman and the suspicious men scatter discreetly...



What in the world...? She said something about the SDF. You think she's legit...?
She's still shady.
Mmm-hmm... I don't know... She mentioned fires, too...
Seemed that way. All that about casualties and fires breaking out...
If it was true, I guess things won't go back to normal any time soon...

You leave the area with Daichi and Io...

Well, that was more confusing than it was enlightening.



One last chance to see if we can find out anything. Hopefully this strange man won't be wearing a weird orange robe and yelling about God's judgement.






Hm...? Have we met somewhere?

As soon as the man notices you, he addresses you...



Oh! Now that I see you up close, you're not him at all. Way to play along, though.
Boy, I'm in a fix. All the shelters are full and I can't get in anywhere...
Well, I'm sure help will come along eventually. But they're sure taking their sweet time.
I bet you've had your own problems, what with all that's happened.
Not really.
...That so? Alright, sure. You've got guts, I see.
Well, these earthquakes and such are pretty dangerous, so be careful. Seeya.

The man leaves...



Mmm-hmm. But... he said the same thing about the shelters being full...
Yeah... and he mentioned the rescue teams being late.
Hmm... This is looking a lot more serious than I thought...
What should we do? There's no way home...
Let's just wait.



Io must be worried about her family... There's gotta be some other way...
......
Fine, let's walk home.



No... He's right! Standing around here won't do us any good, so why not leg it?



..."Walking practice?"

Th-Thank you both...
All right, let's get this show on the road. Um... Which way to Ariake?
How should I know?



I see... the highway is close by, too, so we won't get lost as easily.
Uhh, Roppongi's towards Tokyo Tower, so should we head for Shiba Park?
That sounds right, though it's hard to say for sure since I've never gone on foot...
Ah, I'm sure we'll be fine. Let's walk to Roppongi and then pass through Shiba Park!

You leave the area with Daichi and Io...



Now we have... this. We can't avoid it, so let's see what it's about right away.



[Music: Exploration]



What're you doing...?
Ugh, you and your infinite stamina. I'm bushed, man.
Sorry, Daichi. Um... Here.



This bottle's half empty... Can I really have this!?
It's all yours.



Um... I don't need any more, so you can have it.
Thanks a bunch! I'm only too happy to--
Huh? Who's that over there?



I can't... I can't walk any more... I can't...
Don't say that! C'mon! Stay with me!
Hey... They look like they're in trouble. Should we talk to them?
Yeah...



Hey... Look! Something's falling!

[Music: Silence]



Aaaaaaah!

[Music: Countdown]

Wh-What is that!? It's moving...!





The summoning app appears on your cell phone...





Dubhe... It got bigger!





Wh-What is that thing!? It scared the crap out of me!
Wh-What's it doing? It's blowing up like a balloon.
It's... moving. Maybe it's not dangerous?
Don't touch it! It'll kill you!









They were all caught in that explosion... No...!



Oh man... Crap's going down, man... We've got to run!



Scatter!
Waaaaaaaah!



To say this is a game with "survivor" in its name, we're cutting it pretty close far too frequently. At least it looked like we managed to escape this time.

[Music: In The Devastated Town]



Again, not really much of an alternative. Let's get it out of the way now, shall we?





Io is out of breath. It seems she barely escaped it too...

Are you hurt anywhere?
Ah... Yes, I'm fine. Thanks...
Hey, Hibiki... What just happened there?
First the subway incident and now this... I don't understand what's going on.
What do you think that was back there...?
The thing at the Hills?



...This just seems so wrong. All this about "demons" and "Dubhe"... It's too unreal.
But it is real.
I mean... The damage was even worse in Shibuya than here...



Calm down!
Oh... I'm sorry. It's just...



I'll go look for him.
...Then you've been split up ever since the Hills? I hope he's okay...



[Music: Dark Clouds]

......!?
An email? CCed to Hibiki...?
Let's take a look.
Ah... Sure. We're still not getting any service, though.

You take out your cells and open the email...

[Video: Daichi Shijima]



[Music: Countdown]



[Video: End]

[Music: Crumbling Routine]



It's a death clip.
You're right.. It's like the one we saw in the subway...
But this one... It's showing Daichi getting killed by one of those monsters...!
Back then... What happened was exactly what was in the clip... We really almost died.



Huh...!? Oh... You might be right.
It was the same thing then... The clip told us what would happen in the future.
We were saved by demons coming out of the summoning app...
But this time...?
If I remember right, the death image site shows your friends dying...



So... would Daichi not know that he's about to die...?
Let's hurry.



We need to find Daichi and stop this from happening!

You leave the area with Io...

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009
... I watched the first LP, and forgot just how freaking dumb those NPCs around Dubhe were. The thing is exploding, moving around erratically, someone shouts 'Get away it'll kill you'.... and then they crowd around the freaking thing. What the hell.

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

I really like the scene with Dubhe. Unlike the first game, this one starts out with an upbeat intro and a brighter art style to lure you into a false sense of security before all the murder starts.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Keldulas posted:

... I watched the first LP, and forgot just how freaking dumb those NPCs around Dubhe were. The thing is exploding, moving around erratically, someone shouts 'Get away it'll kill you'.... and then they crowd around the freaking thing. What the hell.

It's like they're civilians in superhero movies. Spiderman 3 for example: A sandman killing Spiderman? Well gotta see what's going on, nothin' we could do to help no sirree. No way we could get some water over here or anything.

RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Dec 11, 2013

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
Dubhe's also so great because he's design wise completely outside of what you expect, so you're really left wondering what the gently caress he is.

Then you're left wondering that for QUITE SOME TIME.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.
He just gets frozen and shatters? That's all? That's... kind of tame compared to everything leading up to this point.

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

Drakenel posted:

He just gets frozen and shatters? That's all? That's... kind of tame compared to everything leading up to this point.

I saw it as actually kinda horrifying. Most SMT games treat the spells as simply attacks that some enemies are weak to and others are immune to. This game actualy reminds the player that Agi and Bufu are actually pretty painful ways to die.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Kay Kessler posted:

I saw it as actually kinda horrifying. Most SMT games treat the spells as simply attacks that some enemies are weak to and others are immune to. This game actualy reminds the player that Agi and Bufu are actually pretty painful ways to die.

Yeah, we'll see at least one later Death Clip with someone reduced to ashes.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Never mind later; when Dubhe exploded the first time, those 4 people who decided it would be a bright idea to crowd around it were reduced to ash.

Myriad Truths
Oct 13, 2012

This guy. This guy is a pretty cool dude.

This guy is why I'm not gonna listen to anyone who says 'oh the anime's not that bad!'.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Myriad Truths posted:

This guy. This guy is a pretty cool dude.

This guy is why I'm not gonna listen to anyone who says 'oh the anime's not that bad!'.

He was around for like 2 episodes in the anime. :colbert:

Edit: VVV
I don't understand why people keep saying the anime adapted the manga when the manga is titled "Devil Survivor 2: The Animation". It's one of those deals where a manga based off an anime came first to promote said anime, but I digress.

ChaosArgate fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 11, 2013

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Myriad Truths posted:

This guy. This guy is a pretty cool dude.

This guy is why I'm not gonna listen to anyone who says 'oh the anime's not that bad!'.

I just couldn't stand the anime adapting the manga adaptation of the game over just taking a few liberties from the game script. It was just plain painful to watch, in my opinion.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
I'm probably glad I haven't bothered to actually watch it. Though I personally don't care much for the character in question and will have lots to say about them later.

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cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Feinne posted:

I'm probably glad I haven't bothered to actually watch it. Though I personally don't care much for the character in question and will have lots to say about them later.

Hibiki and Yamato are the only two characters seemingly worth a drat in the anime. And that was largely thanks to Hibiki having freaking Baihu as his starting, and only, mon. Everyone else was of varying levels of utterly useless.

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