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Mob
May 6, 2002

I wanted to change my avatar but I didn't have a good title so I wanted to say suck it hot dogs are sandwiches


I have a pretty morbid fascination with "can you believe this poo poo used to be acceptable" media so stuff like racist newspaper articles and Youtubes of Tracy Smothers calling Boy Tony the f-word always gets my attention.

Also thanks for the writeup on outlaws because I'd heard the term before but really had no clue what they were about besides the basic context clues.

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Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Interesting thread, just wanted to say thanks for posting it.

Finding out Abraham Lincoln was a wrestler blew my mind. It's also crazy how far back matches were worked and how people died during them regardless. When I imagine wrestling from back then I imagine it being extremely low impact - what kinds of things were they doing that actually killed their opponents?

Also an 8 hour draw, goddamn.

Eye of Widesauron
Mar 29, 2014



Mr. Carlisle posted:

Finding out Abraham Lincoln was a wrestler blew my mind.

I had to look this up and the history behind it is absolutely fascinating

Source link:

http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln48.html



Not only did he stamp out racism and secession but also managed to be a decent wrestler! That's pretty awesome.

Thanks for posting the thread, OP!

Eye of Widesauron fucked around with this message at Jun 28, 2014 around 04:42

dsriggs
May 28, 2012

MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!


Ed "Strangler" Lewis giving a headlock to some geek:

Del Raminos
Feb 13, 2012



Pathé News was a British newsreel producer once upon a time. They've recently uploaded an absurd amount of historical footage to youtube, including a fair amount of wrestling. I just clicked on a few that looked interesting and it turned out that, yup, they were interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0-Ov2VKp0 Wrestling Issue Title - OHMS (1938)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtycO-1_OCM Eat 'em Alive Wrestlers (1946)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzBEAAGfKOw Wrestling In The Mud In San Francisco (1937)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6GtYNEdYfQ Mysterious Wrestlers (0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hu31Ts7XM Africa Loves Grunt & Groan (1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Pd5I4RUZ0 Women Wrestling (1950)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePArbB-codE Japanese Women Wrestling Match (1956)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXZpgfQvSM4 All In Wrestling Los Angeles (1934)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvLz8LnkwMo They Wrestle For Laughs (1947)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9jXVwn_R4k Unidentified Out Takes / Cuts - Cp Uni 2 - Female And Male Wrestlers (1962)

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



Too much to copy and paste, but Dave has a nice writeup on Black Saturday for the 30th anniversary in the new Observer.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


I'm so glad Mike mentioned this on the new Observer Radio. The Chicago Film Archives put up a Wrestling From Chicago youtube channel and it is incredible. The matches are mostly from the Dumont Network golden age when wrestling was at its absolute peak in terms of popularity but there's some stuff in from the 60s too.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW...XryBPpjIw7Dl9Tg

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



I know it's considered "conventional wisdom" that Vince owes Paul Heyman a great creatively, but considering how much Paul lifted from Memphis (especially the brawling/blood aspect), people really need to acknowledge how much Vince owes Lawler and Co. for his success.

How come Memphis never tried to go National? Was it because of their relationship with the AWA and NWA?

Also, I wanna see how people do on this quiz. I got 84%. No cheatin'!

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Chui/nwaworldchampions

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012


El Gallinero Gros posted:

How come Memphis never tried to go National? Was it because of their relationship with the AWA and NWA?

They did -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ing_Association

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



El Gallinero Gros posted:

I know it's considered "conventional wisdom" that Vince owes Paul Heyman a great creatively, but considering how much Paul lifted from Memphis (especially the brawling/blood aspect), people really need to acknowledge how much Vince owes Lawler and Co. for his success.

How come Memphis never tried to go National? Was it because of their relationship with the AWA and NWA?

Also, I wanna see how people do on this quiz. I got 84%. No cheatin'!

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Chui/nwaworldchampions

Got 69/90 for 76%

Missed Brown, Watson, Hutton, O'connor, Kiniski, Rich, Garvin, Fujinami, Windham, Candido, Ogawa, Steele, Rapada, Sabu, Corino, Raven, Rhino, Albright, and Shiekh II

I'm also surprised Lex Luger was never actually NWA champ.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

I bet against K-1


El Gallinero Gros posted:

I know it's considered "conventional wisdom" that Vince owes Paul Heyman a great creatively, but considering how much Paul lifted from Memphis (especially the brawling/blood aspect), people really need to acknowledge how much Vince owes Lawler and Co. for his success.


Paul Heyman learned booking from Eddie Gilbert(who learned from Bill Watts), so that's where you get the Memphis/Southern style influence from.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Doctor Rope

Thauros posted:

I'm also surprised Lex Luger was never actually NWA champ.

He might have been if Ric hadn't taken the big gold belt with him when he left for WWF.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



ayn rand hand job posted:

He might have been if Ric hadn't taken the big gold belt with him when he left for WWF.

Flair also refused to lose the belt to Luger twice.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

On the other hand, would you rather be remembered as the guy who beat Flair for the title once, or the first WCW Heavyweight Champion?

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Doctor Rope

Halloween Jack posted:

On the other hand, would you rather be remembered as the guy who beat Flair for the title once, or the first WCW Heavyweight Champion?

Technically that was Flair, Luger was just the first sole WCW Heavyweight Champion.

IronCladBurrito
Aug 11, 2002

Excuse me, is this where the bitches are found?

Thauros posted:

Got 69/90 for 76%

I got 64. I literally knew nothing about NWA between Shane Douglas and the advent of TNA, 2/3 of their TNA partnership, and about a third of their post-TNA partnership.

I Love My Axe
Dec 30, 2009

Let's go Blue Pants!


I started a website that has a bunch of scans of old wrestling programs and magazines if anyone's interested.

https://www.wrestlingscans.com

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

I bet against K-1


I Love My Axe posted:

I started a website that has a bunch of scans of old wrestling programs and magazines if anyone's interested.

https://www.wrestlingscans.com

you just made poopin a lot gooder. thank you

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


I Love My Axe posted:

I started a website that has a bunch of scans of old wrestling programs and magazines if anyone's interested.

https://www.wrestlingscans.com

That sure beats going through Stern Sticks for those!

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Is there any way to see old Sheik matches from the 50s/60s?

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs


Awesome thread MRT! Here's my little bit of contribution: the trailer for Memphis Heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CDVYT-RWI

Memphis, despite being notably marky these days, used to be one of THE places for wrestling. Legit riots and poo poo would happen at the Mid-South Coliseum over heels. Jerry Lawler was, of course, the King of Memphis wrestling, but there were plenty of great players like Eddie Gilbert, Bill Dundee, and Tojo Yamamoto. Hell, I'm pretty sure Macho Man and Hogan got their first bit of airtime on Memphis airwaves. Awesome poo poo. I have the movie and if someone could direct me to the best way to stream on a Macbook Pro, I'd love to show it in PSP.tv one night. It's a really awesome flick, and gives lots of good history.

e. I'll try to put up a decent effortpost for Memphis wrestling one day soon. I'll also leave you with this, one of the most famous feuds of all time: Jerry Lawler and Andy Kaufman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVJPAe4-lBM

Andy Kaufman couldn't come to Memphis because he would legitimately get his rear end kicked on the street by some average joes if he showed his face, that's how much he was hated here.

NickRoweFillea fucked around with this message at Feb 11, 2015 around 05:28

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009



NickRoweFillea posted:

Awesome thread MRT! Here's my little bit of contribution: the trailer for Memphis Heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CDVYT-RWI

Memphis, despite being notably marky these days, used to be one of THE places for wrestling. Legit riots and poo poo would happen at the Mid-South Coliseum over heels. Jerry Lawler was, of course, the King of Memphis wrestling, but there were plenty of great players like Eddie Gilbert, Bill Dundee, and Tojo Yamamoto. Hell, I'm pretty sure Macho Man and Hogan got their first bit of airtime on Memphis airwaves. Awesome poo poo. I have the movie and if someone could direct me to the best way to stream on a Macbook Pro, I'd love to show it in PSP.tv one night. It's a really awesome flick, and gives lots of good history.

e. I'll try to put up a decent effortpost for Memphis wrestling one day soon. I'll also leave you with this, one of the most famous feuds of all time: Jerry Lawler and Andy Kaufman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVJPAe4-lBM

Andy Kaufman couldn't come to Memphis because he would legitimately get his rear end kicked on the street by some average joes if he showed his face, that's how much he was hated here.

if you have the video file there are many video hosting services that psp-tv can stream from, google drive is probably your best bet

Del Raminos
Feb 13, 2012



Smoking Crow posted:

Is there any way to see old Sheik matches from the 50s/60s?

Here are a couple
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW...ch?query=farhat

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*



It sucks because you can find tons of stuff with him past his prime but can't really see anything from when he was the man.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008


Unfortunately I don't think a lot of it still exists due to wiping

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



mariooncrack posted:

Unfortunately I don't think a lot of it still exists due to wiping

From what I understand this is true of a lot of territorial stuff. drat shame. Like, I'd love to be able to run a weekly PSPTV show of Memphis TV every week from around when Lawler became their top guy until the end of the ECW vs USWA feud.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



Verne Gagne died according to Bill Apter:

quote:

Bill Apter ‏@apter1wrestling 10m10 minutes ago

I just received confirmation that Verne Gagne has died. Sincere condolences to his family, friends, and fans.

Not too many major territory promoters still alive outside of the Memphis people. Shame his last few years were in such a bad state due to dementia. Dave's coverage this week should be interesting as I admit I'm not that knowledgeable about the AWA.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



We all know about Dusty, but there's been two other significant wrestling deaths in recent days. Buddy Landel was younger than I thought too, olny 53.

Nature Boy Buddy Landel passes away

William Ansor, who was on the verge of becoming one of the biggest stars in pro wrestling in the mid-80s as Nature Boy Buddy Landel, passed away earlier today at his home.

Details are still sketchy, but the reports are that he was in a bad auto accident over the weekend, checked himself out of the hospital on Sunday, and said he was feeling bad when he went to sleep. When his wife went to check on him today, he was dead.

Landel was 53.

Landel, managed by J.J. Dillon, was set for a major push in Jim Crockett Promotions, including a potential NWA title run, or at least a major feud with Ric Flair. The two had set a record in Raleigh in a tryout match.

But he was out of control, didn't get up for a television taping, and was fired. He was National heavyweight champion at the time, and on that morning at the TBS Studios, it was announced that Landel had lost the title to Dusty Rhodes in Albuquerque and he never appeared again. While he had a steady career for the next decade, including participating in USWA's last sellouts at the Mid South Coliseum (Lawler & Dutch Mantel vs. Landel & Bill Dundee), he never came close to that level of stardom again.


Cora Combs passes away

Cora Combs, the last surviving member of the Billy Wolfe troupe in the heyday of women's pro wrestling, passed away at 7 a.m. today at a hospital in Nashville.

She was 92. She had been suffering from pneumonia in the last week.

Combs, born Cora Svonsteckik was a former Country Music singer who, at the age of 26, attended a pro wrestling show headlined by Mildred Burke, then the biggest star in women's pro wrestling, back in 1949.

Nick Gulas introduced her to Wolfe, and she moved to Wolfe's home base in Columbus, OH and wrestled for 36 years, including at the end of her career, often wrestling her daughter Debbie, while wearing a mask as Lady Satan.

She headlined all over the world during the end of the Wolfe's stable heyday, and main evented with a significant push in Tennessee, where she was probably the most famous of the local women wrestlers. She worked with just about every name wrestler from several generations, well into the 80s.

She was inducted into the Amsterdam, NY, based Pro Wrestling Hall of fame in 2007.

NotQuiteQuentin
Jan 29, 2005

BIG OVER


College Slice

American Treasure Karl Stern's July Marathon is all about bios in wrestling history. Has already gone through Gotch, Thesz, Ed "Strangler" Lewis, Gorgeous George, William Muldoon and others. Must listen for those interested in Pre-TV wrestling history.

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EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012


Anyone ever heard of this? -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cenS5gpiHPo

I wonder if it was a one-off gimmick or if there was a whole fed based on it.

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