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Fooma
Oct 15, 2010

nom nom nom


With the weekly reveal of the Idol of Immortality clues, don't the episodes air over there on a regular basis while the season is still ongoing? Why couldn't winners of future episodes rely on the revealed clues from earlier on. Seeing the location of the safe is a huge advantage to future winners when the next set of clues must relate to the combination.

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Varam
Jan 20, 2007


Donkay NOoo posted:

I didn't agree with Jinho in the latest episode (season 2 ep 4) because although betrayal is common and a part of the game, specifically wanting another player eliminated as a condition of your betrayal is way too personal and gives the betrayer too much power. You betray to save yourself, not to go on a power trip and demand a specific player get eliminated. I would've gone against him too at the end

I can understand why Jinho would be agitated. It would have been one thing to have gone against Eunkyul's request to target Jiwon, but it's completely different to actively sabotage and eliminate your own saboteur -- that's just kind of low, since support in the death match is the obvious baseline reward for a traitor. If that can't be expected of you, you're killing your chances of recruiting traitors going forward, and for no real reason.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

The Corgiest Teddybear



Lipstick Apathy

Fooma posted:

With the weekly reveal of the Idol of Immortality clues, don't the episodes air over there on a regular basis while the season is still ongoing? Why couldn't winners of future episodes rely on the revealed clues from earlier on. Seeing the location of the safe is a huge advantage to future winners when the next set of clues must relate to the combination.

I think they might have pretaped this season in full. Probably because it's less expensive to do that than do one episode every week, and because they have the immortality thing this time around.

Corn Thongs
Feb 13, 2004



doomisland posted:

I don't agree at all. If they had some moral objections then they could have refused his help but they didn't. If Eun Kyul wanted to target 3 people because they're all friends which can be become an issue later then he can do that if he wants.

Of course he can, but it can also come back to bite him if people don't particularly like him and would rather team with the 3 friends. This season is certainly a lot more cutthroat than the first one so far.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




qbert posted:

That 2nd episode was complicated as hell. I noticed that Jinho conveniently revealed the reversed straight plan when he happened to be the one in the middle receiving the 10 garnets. Nice.
However his garnet count isn't that high. He must have given them all to his team after and they just never showed it. That seems like something they should have shown. Everyone knows he's a threat and they want to get rid of him, so if he's sent to something like the Sun Moon Star game, he'll be screwed without support. Makes sense he would give away some of his garnets now to try to solidify some friendships.

qbert posted:

I don't get this either. People hate him because he's bad at the game I guess? Dude is actually a pretty funny/entertaining/nice guy on other variety shows and I knew Hongchul would have his back in the end because they've been really close friends for years and he probably resented being forced to payback the spy with eliminating his good friend for no reason.
It wasn't really for no reason, it was for the very reason you just said. They're too close so he wanted to split them up. It probably wasn't worth the risk though.

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007


Fast Luck posted:

However his garnet count isn't that high. He must have given them all to his team after and they just never showed it. That seems like something they should have shown. Everyone knows he's a threat and they want to get rid of him, so if he's sent to something like the Sun Moon Star game, he'll be screwed without support. Makes sense he would give away some of his garnets now to try to solidify some friendships.

Judging by both S1 and these 4 episodes of S2, garnets rarely actually DO much until about halfway through, and even then it's perfectly possible to never end up needing them (ally with high-garnet count players for main games, and never get into a deathmatch where garnet-count matters/get to borrow garnets to make things even) it makes sense to spend them reasonably freely early on to establish connections and alliances.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




Zythrst posted:

Am I the only one that thinks Gyul is too strong in the Hap/Gyul game? I honestly think it should only be worth one point.
And how about the finale of the first season? (first season spoiler coming up because I just finished watching it and wanna talk about it some)

Jinho could call out gyuls freely and if right get a three point score, and if wrong his allies would pick him up so he wouldn't lose anything. If Kyungran called out a gyul incorrectly, she would usually give up two points. So gyul which was already quite strong was really gifted to Jinho. I think he was not as good as Kyungran in that game and didn't deserve to win it. Would have been nice to go to all three games in the bo3 instead of just being 2-0. I'm confident Jinho would have easily won the memory game anyway, though.

Kyungran was really good at The Genius... I think she was the most complete player that season with a combination of intelligence and politics/charm. But nobody could knock out Jinho. Jinho's card reading trick in open/pass really was a defining moment of the season, the other players had isolated him and Poong and he still escaped which allowed him to go on to the end. He and Sangmin were good choices to bring back as they both bring lots of good moments to the show in different ways. I was surprised Jinho reappeared in this season after winning the last one...

The player I miss most from the first season though is probably Sunggyu. He wasn't the smartest player but he was always doing something sneaky and he just had this personality where you couldn't even be mad at him when he pulled one on you. Gura was fun for awhile but then just started sulking.

A lot of the women other than Kyungran kind of blended together for me that season, this season everyone is much more distinctive, especially with Jaekyung out - I would've thought a pop idol would've been better socially than she seemed to be. Her betting strategy looked decent though. The sports anchor was the one person who didn't stand out much but then she took out the professional Go player! Yoonsun seems like she is going to be really good. Boxer is probably the most invisible person left out there.

Fast Luck fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2014 around 20:19

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 26, 2007




So what exactly is Sangmin's financial situation? Because there are times when he seems pretty hungry for that prize money. Didn't he mention on the show his salary being garnished or something?

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.

doomisland posted:

I don't agree at all. If they had some moral objections then they could have refused his help but they didn't. If Eun Kyul wanted to target 3 people because they're all friends which can be become an issue later then he can do that if he wants.

But didn't Eunkyul not reveal his "price" until after the game was over? Maybe they would have refused his help if they had known what he wanted beforehand, but they were never given that option.

Wizardryo
Jul 23, 2002

"Finally! A deep throat to call my own!"

Was there a thread for S1? Would love to see people's thoughts on that and the search on here is always hit-or-miss. The gameplay in this was up there with maybe S1 of The Mole for me, though I thought the earlier S1 games had a little more leeway in tactics and strategy whereas the later ones seemed heavily dependent on figuring out the "trick" and exploiting it. The Mole was still pretty good with making their games pretty complex even toward the end. I think what really makes this show is that the unique cultural aspects make the "alliances" on the show so fluid and dynamic. It really does make everything unpredictable.

Fast Luck posted:

Kyungran was really good at The Genius... I think she was the most complete player that season with a combination of intelligence and politics/charm.

(S1 spoilers below)

Agreed. I loved Jinho's outside-the-box strategies but thought that Kyungran played as perfect a game as she was able to and only really got screwed because of Jinho's allies during hap/gyul and that Yooram wasn't there to help out. Jinho really faltered in the games without loopholes/exploits and Kyungran still survived through them. Though she obviously didn't play up the show's comedic aspect like Sangmin and Jinho did, she did a really good job surviving in the early rounds and making strong gameplay moves in the later ones. Hope there's more people with her gameplay style in S2, since, like you said, all the other female contestants didn't do much in S1, although I get the sense that a lot of them seemed overwhelmed by the game and some of the more stronger personalities. Jungmoon basically ruined the zombie game. I'm also kinda pissed that Eunji figured out how to cheat during her death match with Yooram, since Yooram was the only other female contestant who really tried to play the game.

Suppose it's time to start on season 2...

Bankok
Sep 10, 2004

SPARTA!!!


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

So what exactly is Sangmin's financial situation? Because there are times when he seems pretty hungry for that prize money. Didn't he mention on the show his salary being garnished or something?

About all I could find on his debt was this:

quote:

On the most recent episode of tvN “Star Special Lecture Show,” music producer and entertainer Lee Sang Min talked about the time Baek Ji Young guaranteed his debt. He explained, “When my restaurant business failed, I went from a cash holder of 4.8 billion Korean won (about 4.8 million USD) to having 5.7 billion Korean won (about 5.7 million USD) in debt. Baek Ji Young volunteered to guarantee my debt because I produced ‘I Won’t Love.’”

He continued, “Baek Ji Young didn’t give herself enough time as a guarantor and the debtors started to pressure her to pay back. In the end, Baek Ji Young asked me to nullify her contract with me as a singer and producer, because the pressure got worse and she couldn’t handle it anymore. And yet, I sent her a certification of content proving that she has to release one more album with me before she can nullify her contract.”

Lee Sang Min explained, “At the time, things were difficult. I think I thought of everyone as my enemy unless they were visibly friendly with me. I feel very sorry for Baek Ji Young and would like to apologize.”

and other troubles:

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Last year he was charged for receiving payments after setting up people with loans, and in 2010 he was also under suspicion of managing an illegal gambling website.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



How do you be "under suspicion of managing an illegal gambling website"?

"The only thing we know about the operator of hotpokerbets.com is that he is a reclusive genius known as 'The Snake'."

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009




Random Stranger posted:

How do you be "under suspicion of managing an illegal gambling website"?

"The only thing we know about the operator of hotpokerbets.com is that he is a reclusive genius known as 'The Snake'."
I believe gambling is illegal in Korea so any type of gambling website, however, innocent would be illegal.

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001


Wizardryo posted:



(S1 spoilers below)

Agreed. I loved Jinho's outside-the-box strategies but thought that Kyungran played as perfect a game as she was able to and only really got screwed because of Jinho's allies during hap/gyul and that Yooram wasn't there to help out.

Jinho did get a crucial win in round 8 when Kyungran kept looking for a hap while there were none at all. Jinho saw that there was only one blue figure and that one could not be linked to any other two. Had it been 31-25 going into round 9 I'm sure Kyungran would have won it.

The main flaw I found in the finals was the unequal nature of the bonus items. Some were purely benificial while others like the doubler would also double penalties and the wins for your opponent.

Fuoco
Jan 3, 2009


qbert posted:

But didn't Eunkyul not reveal his "price" until after the game was over? Maybe they would have refused his help if they had known what he wanted beforehand, but they were never given that option.

Check out the behind the scenes video 'The Message'. He was up front with what he wanted.

Regardless, Jinho sticking up for him is a smart move. As shown in the first season, it's important to maintain a good relationship with all contestants, even if they're eliminated.

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Nondevor
Jun 1, 2011

How is that for an enigmatic answer?


The behind the scenes videos are hilarious. They give a nice look into what actually goes in in the Genius, and Sangmin is featured doing weird things in quite a few of them.

Wizardryo posted:

Was there a thread for S1? Would love to see people's thoughts on that and the search on here is always hit-or-miss.

There wasn't an official thread made, but we discussed the show for a few pages in the General Korean TV thread.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Nondevor posted:

The behind the scenes videos are hilarious. They give a nice look into what actually goes in in the Genius, and Sangmin is featured doing weird things in quite a few of them.


There wasn't an official thread made, but we discussed the show for a few pages in the General Korean TV thread.

There was also a ton of chat about it in Couch Chat

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




Rarity posted:

There was also a ton of chat about it in Couch Chat
That's where I first caught wind of it. Then seeing the season 2 thread pop up is what gave me the push to get into it. I wish there had been an OP for season one because not knowing anything about Korea, I didn't know anything about the people and constantly would be asking myself "which one is the pool player?" "what is Kyungran famous for?" "who is Poong?" etc. The introductions in the first episode were pretty brief too.

Bankok
Sep 10, 2004

SPARTA!!!


Fast Luck posted:

That's where I first caught wind of it. Then seeing the season 2 thread pop up is what gave me the push to get into it. I wish there had been an OP for season one because not knowing anything about Korea, I didn't know anything about the people and constantly would be asking myself "which one is the pool player?" "what is Kyungran famous for?" "who is Poong?" etc. The introductions in the first episode were pretty brief too.

I don't think most of us knew about season one until the entire season had been subbed and was pointed out to us in the Korean Thread.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Josh Lyman posted:

I believe gambling is illegal in Korea so any type of gambling website, however, innocent would be illegal.

There are casinos in Korea, but the joke was more about you're either running an casino or you're not; it's kind of hard to be "under suspicion" of doing it unless you've got some kind of speakeasy. Edit: Obviously, it's the equivalent of the guy on video tape shooting the gas station attendant being an "alleged" murderer but it's a joke.

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Ironic Twist
Aug 3, 2008



I hope they bring back Quattro as a death match game again this season, but with all the eliminated players, like Episode 5 of the first season. It'd be fun to watch the two people in the death match have to deal with active sabotage from people they screwed over.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

a worker of thankless jobs
a host of unwatched game shows
Mad, Red,
& Nude Online.




Every time I see someone mention Quattro, I keep confusing it for Quarto. Which could also work as a death match.

Darksaber
Oct 18, 2001

Are you even trying?


Teddybear posted:

I think they might have pretaped this season in full. Probably because it's less expensive to do that than do one episode every week, and because they have the immortality thing this time around.

That would make sense, but wasn't the politician talking about how he'd have to put his kids to bed early when he was picked last? Of course, he could just mean in the future when this airs, I really don't know.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



I binged through the whole first season and just watched the first episode tonight. This show is goddamn incredible. Love the cast and was sad that Songgyu was eliminated by Jinho! Goddammit I was rooting for him the whole season, he grew to become one of the smartest people on that show it was awesome. I knew Kyungrang was going to last until the end because she was amazing at keeping alliances and playing the main matches so well she never got into a death match right up until the end where she destroyed Sangmin. If she wasn't facing Jinho in the finals I think she definitely would have taken it for sure.

I just saw the 1st episode of Season 2 and its pretty good so far too! The cast seems great so far, Hongchul is killing me with his facial expressions and all things he yells out. I'm excited for more Genius game.

Corn Thongs
Feb 13, 2004



(Do season 1 spoilers still need to be tagged? Inc, in any case)

Yeah, I was mainly rooting for Sunggyu because everyone made a big tadah about what a dummy he is in the beginning. Then they said he was improving but surprise surprise, acting like an idiot is just his shtick and was the dark horse of the show. Unfortunately he got a little too cocky

Maduo
Sep 8, 2006

You see all the colors.
All of them.




Sunggyu still seemed a little thick when it came to logic puzzles and booksmarts, but he made up for it on guile and alliance-making. It's part of what I really enjoy about this show; there is more than one kind of "genius" and to win you have to use them all. I'd say all of last season's top 4 were capable of that, Jinho just got there first.

Corn Thongs
Feb 13, 2004



Yeah he's definitely not book smart and one of the slower to understand rules, but when he did understand he usually played like a king. Apparently I have become a Sunggyu fan.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Now let me teach YOU a lesson


If nothing else, Sunggyu is probably the only reason the show even got translated in the first place.

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007


Davincie posted:

If nothing else, Sunggyu is probably the only reason the show even got translated in the first place.

Naaah, the subber is a regular on TeamLiquid (Starcraft forum) and I believe people there wanting to see JinHo on the show was what made them decide to sub it in the first place.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009




Insurrectionist posted:

Naaah, the subber is a regular on TeamLiquid (Starcraft forum) and I believe people there wanting to see JinHo on the show was what made them decide to sub it in the first place.
Yeah, either Jinho or Yohwan would have led to subbing.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Now let me teach YOU a lesson


Ah the old youtubes had a lot of comments from his fangirls so I just assumed she was one of them.

Corn Thongs
Feb 13, 2004



If by she you mean me, I actually never heard of him until The Genius

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Now let me teach YOU a lesson


No, the subber. Unless you are her and this is getting even more complicated.

SnowWolf
Nov 20, 2005


Almost done marathoning through season 1, awesome show. When I started watching, I was suspecting some parts were scripted because of twist reveals at the end and the way plans nicely came together, but I just chalked that up to good editing. I lost that feeling a few episodes in.

Wish there were better death matches though. The tactical game is a snore. Indian poker is alright. The only one I truly loved was episode 11, wish they had more like that relying on pure brainpower. Kyungran really surprised me with her memory and comeback although she ended up missing a lot also

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




Speaking of the memory game, part of me thought it was the purest death match yet, but another part of me wondered if it was put in to ensure Jinho's survival. He'd already proved he was adept at memorization, and I'm sure he would have won that challenge. Putting that challenge there basically made it very likely that if he went to the death match, he'd win, and then advance either to either win another silver or to finally break his bad luck streak.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


I am not reading this because I'm not caught up yet, but I'm on season 1 and it's down to 4 people now: older pop star guy, jinho, the news lady and the boy band leader.

God drat am I starting to hate that boy band leader guy (Sunggyu ?) . He's the biggest douche ever. I really, really hope he gets his comeuppance, and soon. He needs to do a deathmatch. I came here to post how I much I hate him. At first he seemed pretty cool but now in just the last 2 episodes he just seems like a two faced motherfucker. Another person I don't like much is the older pop star guy (saengmin?). He has no pride.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




Sunggyu is cool as hell.

Btw, Jinho (YellOw) is set to play in a new televised Starcraft Brood War event. It's kind of a big deal because that game had been left for dead after SC2 came out, but now that the novelty's worn off this is kind of a trial balloon to see if there's still interest in BW. He's retired from playing though so he'll probably lose bad and I'd bet they recruited him for the event because of his exposure on The Genius.

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Corn Thongs
Feb 13, 2004



It's OK to hate Sunggyu but that was pretty clearly what he was going for, his brattiness was so exaggerated and played up for the cameras. Same for Sangmin, poo poo was hilarious.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988




Which episode was Confined Horse Race? I don't know how you can hate Sunggyu and Sangmin after that one.

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redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


Fast Luck posted:

Which episode was Confined Horse Race? I don't know how you can hate Sunggyu and Sangmin after that one.

Is that the same as 'scamming horse race'? If so, it's episode 4 or 5 maybe.

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