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Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.

Brunom1 posted:

Muge's powers only work on Super Robot villains, though.

You get Gore, Marshall of Hell, Emperor of Darkness and... was it Darius from Gaiking? I think it was.

All of them, plus the boss of Jeeg. Emperor of Hell or something, I don't know, it's been a while since Alpha 2 and 3.

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Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


I do appreciate that while SEED may or may not have been forced into Alpha 3 due to its unforeseen popularity, Banpresto was on the ball enough to take the piss out of it for its placement.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Materant posted:

I do appreciate that while SEED may or may not have been forced into Alpha 3 due to its unforeseen popularity, Banpresto was on the ball enough to take the piss out of it for its placement.

For sure, when you've Shinji coming full circle and giving Kira crap.

Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jul 2, 2016

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

OTOH, most of the secrets in Alpha 3 involve following the SEED routes. Also skipping on the SEED routes means missing out on Evangelion & Macross Plus events which kind of sucks.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
I suddenly want Macross+ and the Virtual On remake in the same SRW just for Sharon Apple vs Hatsune Miku.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -
I mean, if we're still speculating on the next LP, I would love to see the Alpha series done. poo poo, I'd probably do it myself if I had time (then again, I'd probably want to do MX over it because I love Dendoh so much).

On a sidenote, if you do MX, please take care not to gently caress up the translations. I'm sick and tired of seeing fansubbers and forum posters misspelling GULFER, Altair, Oger, and such.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Broken Loose posted:

I mean, if we're still speculating on the next LP, I would love to see the Alpha series done. poo poo, I'd probably do it myself if I had time (then again, I'd probably want to do MX over it because I love Dendoh so much).

On a sidenote, if you do MX, please take care not to gently caress up the translations. I'm sick and tired of seeing fansubbers and forum posters misspelling GULFER, Altair, Oger, and such.

I considered Alpha 1 since we've Gaiden but then I remembered ALL THOSE ROUTE SPLITS and... yeah. It's in the pile, with Z2.2.

Could I finish MX before the patch leaves development hell?! :staredog:

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Brunom1 posted:

I considered Alpha 1 since we've Gaiden but then I remembered ALL THOSE ROUTE SPLITS and... yeah. It's in the pile, with Z2.2.

Could I finish MX before the patch leaves development hell?! :staredog:

It's a SRW patch so yes.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -
It was recently announced on twitter that the Alpha patch is dead.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

Well, poo poo. RIP.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Brunom1 posted:

I considered Alpha 1 since we've Gaiden but then I remembered ALL THOSE ROUTE SPLITS and... yeah.
I don't blame you in the slightest. As much as I'd love to see Alpha 1 either LP'd or translated, I completely understand just how much of a monumental undertaking it'd be. 8 semi-unique protagonists, long route splits, battle masteries/secret points you need a guide just to know when they pop up in the game, it's not something to take lightly. You'd pretty much have to recruit all of the posters in this thread to juggle everything and get stuff done.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

AradoBalanga posted:

8 semi-unique protagonists

Ohohoho, no. If I ever did the thing, I'd go Kusuha/Bullet + Super, let someone else grab the Real if they wanted, and go for the full ending + whatever secrets I could score.

Unlike W or Z, Alpha would take a lot more than just two playthroughs to show every little difference.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Brunom1 posted:

Ohohoho, no. If I ever did the thing, I'd go Kusuha/Bullet + Super, let someone else grab the Real if they wanted, and go for the full ending + whatever secrets I could score.

Unlike W or Z, Alpha would take a lot more than just two playthroughs to show every little difference.
Oh, I know. With Alpha 1 and all its content, it's best to stick to what doesn't drive you insane.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Alpha 1 is definitely a product of the PS1 era. It's ambitious, janky, and weird to go back to in a lot of ways.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Ah. Now, you face the true common enemy of all SRW.

The upgrade screen.

Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.
Definitely for the best you don't do the Alpha series, since there is a LOT of stuff to cover with it.

Wounded Land
Nov 27, 2007
Living in a greenhouse, growing crops that we can't eat...
I think that if they had ever intended to finish Alpha, they'd have gotten it done years ago.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Secret Epilogue (Setsuko) Chapter 1


Loran is bidding farewell to the White Doll, reminiscing over everything that happened since the night of that coming-of-age ceremony. Still, it was thanks to its hard work that they could help restore peace to the land.
But now it’s for time for it to return to its position as stone statue atop Vicinity’s mountain. Cid agrees with his decision, say the Turn A’s power, so different from any other MS, cannot be wielded as casually as one.
Loran gets quiet and Joseph wonders if he doesn’t want to say goodbye. Sure, there’s that but he also wonders what the White Doll could have thought as it slept here for so long. Joseph quips at his sentimentalism – the thing’s an MS, a machine. It doesn’t think or feel. When the Diana Counter attacked, it “awakened” as a reaction to its self-defense systems engaging auto-pilot.
Well but there’re no more problems and Loran is happy to let it sleep uninterrupted once again. Cid gives Sochie and Miashey, in their Kapools, the go-ahead to start digging the hole where they’ll bury the Turn A.




That is, until the Turn A pings in reaction to something. That couldn’t be happening, thinks Sochie, as they cut off its engine. And, yet, it starts moving on its own – just as it did in the ceremony way back when.
Does that mean it’s spotted another enemy? Loran doesn’t know…


The MS starts blasting the Moonlight Butterfly all out of control – Cid’s gotten the memo of how that system once wrecked the world.
Loran comes out right then, hitching a ride with Sochie and Miashey. They quickly run down the Turn A and fling Loran into the cockpit, who deactivates the thing.
Still, what the hell just happened here? Diana (in her Kihel getup) phones in from the Heim manor and call everyone inside – there’s some huge crisis happening the world over.


Following that, we’ve the same news broadcast and Fitzgerald’s statement from before.


As before, we get pictures from the destruction and spot several mechs from different groups we wrecked being used. All drones. Who could have set up all these troops without anyone noticing?
Loran ponders the White Doll’s reaction prior to running loose and figures there has to be a connection with all this. But for it to use the Moonlight Butterfly… this goes beyond a mere auto-pilot being triggered.
Sochie and Diana get a call from Jamil. He salutes the queen but she begs him drop the formalities, as she’s now living simply as Kihel Heim. Regardless, she assumes he’s calling about the mess going on. Indeed, he makes note of the independent squad being created to investigate it and run down the perpetrators.


That is, ZEUTH once again and Jamil would like to ask if Loran’s group wouldn’t be willing to join. Of course they will, unwilling to turn the other cheek to someone else trying to destroy the world they saved. Sochie especially doesn’t care for such people.
So, he passes them the rendezvous coordinates for all the Gundam teams and mentions the other half in Galia. Seeing how we don’t know what other forces the enemy could be hiding, Diana also wants to Moon Race to talk part in this effort. As another dweller of this world, she’ll readily fight against those who’d uproot the people’s happiness and tranquility.


And then James Bond and Batman track down the mayor.


And then we have half of ZEUTH. Barring some exceptions, BANPRESTO. No Talia. No Stella. Why.


Oh yes. We also have Denzel and Toby back.

Err. Wait. No. We have alternate universe versions of Denzel and Toby. Close enough I suppose!

They're almost identical to the characters back at the start of Z. However, there's one slight difference. The Denzel we knew had innate Focued Attack. However, this Denzel instead has innate Backup Attack. Also, here's the Spirit Commands they learn:


Toby:
  • Sense(20)
  • Accel(15}
  • Focus(10)
  • Fury(30)
  • Valor(40)

Denzel:
  • Strike(15)
  • Trust(10)
  • Invincible(10)
  • Snipe(30)
  • Valor(40)


Also, the Bazzar is pretty amazing here. It's the same every chapter. Yes, that's a Shadow Angel Feather.


And we get the same parts we'd get in Special Mode. It's great.


*One Hour Upgrading later*


Over by the Federation’s Newark base, Quattro greets everyone and thanks them for answering the call-to-arms.
Of course, Garrod says the world is too important to let this go on. He’s still calling him lieutenant and Roybea does point out that he’s no longer with the AEUG but Quattro doesn’t mind. The Federation is still restructuring after the last battle, so the Ex-AEUG folks have yet to be properly integrated into the chain of command. That’s why they were so readily assigned to work once more as part of an independent platoon, Amuro says.
A squad made outside of the reach of the standard nation and organizations, fighting against whatever enemy of mankind crops out… yup, that’s us alright.
Shinn asks what intel we have on the drones and, as before, details are sparse but shows the drones were limiting themselves to just attacking lone facilities. Show of force? Possibly.

If anything, Bright concedes they were very efficient about it, what with the attack happening across the entire world. Mu counters that theory that pointing out how all over the place the damaged areas are.
Sara raises a map with the attack locations, all of low strategic importance, and superimposes another marking areas investigated by the Federation during the war. The attacked areas were all rich in Mountain Cycles. But they weren’t attacking the ruins, rather, witnesses saw the drones leaving the places.

Following this, the conversation follows the exact same path as the other, leading up to naming the Executor System.


We’ve no measure to investigate this matter at length now, so Lacus says protecting the civilians should be our priority in case the drones come back. Shinn doesn’t like that we’re stuck playing defense after the trouble of bringing us together but Athrun tells him to calm down – getting antsy won’t help.
Shinn gets it but he still wants to do something, remembering all those whom he met and lost in the previous war. He swore to them that he’d build a better future for mankind. Everyone here feels like he does, Camille points out and that also includes Four. She found purpose in her life by meeting the guy, so she doesn’t want to see anyone else lose theirs.
It’s this share determination that’s brought everyone here and why we’ll fight on, believing in a better tomorrow.


Harry, Corin and Poe come in right then, straight from the moon and ready to join the fight.
Kihel is also with them and, happy to see Sochie, passes the Soleil along to Diana. The queen’ll reassume her identity just for a little bit, while this matter is settled – of course, if anything happens, she still trusts Kihel to lead the Moon Race.
Kihel tells her not to think such things and fight on in order to keep living. She’s already fighting for the whole world, so why not add her own life to the pile? Sounds good, though Diana will still want to keep living as an earthling once this is over. Kihel agrees and will wait for her safe return – Harry will be here to see that it happens, too.

: So this is ZEUTH, eh…?
: A bunch of vets tied together by mutual trust… They’ve got a good look to them, I guess.
: Yes… they’re all proud, dutiful men and women.
: And you really think a pair of chumps like us could fit in with this nice squad, Ms. Ohara?
: Watch your tone, Toby. The three of us are a team now.
: That’s one way of calling it, Chief. Another is that the two of us are replacements.
: “Replacements”…?
: Yeah, Ohara. What with your original Glory Star and the two of us…
: Sure, that might’ve been the same thing, only in different worlds, but that doesn’t mean you should expect us to fit your mold.
: ...
: I reckon I might as well say this now. I’m Toby Watson, not the Toby you knew. I’m the dumbass who got tricked by that piece of crap and tried to kill you.
: …
: This is our mission and we’ll do our part but you gotta keep that in mind.
: Okay!
: Wha…
: It’s a pleasure to be working with you, Mr. Watson. I know this will be our first time fighting side-by-side but I’ll give it everything I have.
: Oi… You got a screw loose or something?
: No, I don’t. I’m just a bit happy, that’s all.
: Happy?
: As Mr. Watson said, you two are different people from the Chief and Toby I knew.
: If you get that, then you oughta stop looking at us with those rose colored glasses.
: Still, there is one constant between my Glory Star and yours. That is… the pride you feel in who you are and what you do.
: The “right stuff”…
: While we fought, I could easily tell how much you value your Virgolas. That’s why… I hesitated so much to attack you.
: Come on, now. You still brought us down.
: Easy, Toby… She didn’t do that for kicks. It was just what needed to be done.
: …
: Ohara, I can also tell that you’ve the right stuff.
: Toby does too, of course.
: Oi, Chief!
: He’s just a bit queasy with the idea that he could be someone’s replacement.
: In my case, I figured stressing over small details like that wasn’t worth the trouble.
: Regardless, I… I don’t see either of you as being replacements.
: Ohara…
: I’ve learned much during the war, always bearing my sorrow…
: How I can’t bring back what’s been lost… How I couldn’t keep clinging to it lest I be unable to move on…
: And how, despite it all, it was still possible for me to build something new.
: Ohara…
: That’s what I was hoping we could do, having that same pride within us.
: And, so, you wanted to make this Glory Star with us, eh?
: Yes.
: During the Dimensional Repair, I wished to keep the dutifulness and pride that such dear people taught me and to live on.
: …
: There may not be any point in the mission to perfect the Virgola anymore but… That unit bears the wishes of not only us but of all those who’ve supported it.
: And, so, I want to live hand-in-hand with it and to do so proudly. All while I look for that “something new” to build.
: So much sentimentality, yeesh…
: But I guess that ain’t a bad thing.
: Mr. Watson…
: Psh, you’re too drat nitpicky. See here, I respected her from the get-go.
: Or maybe “liked” would be a better word…
: Hell, not even that…! This is love, I tell ya!
: Um… I…
: Abort, Chief. I don’t think that kind of joke’ll fly with her.
: N-no… Mr. Watson, that’s—
: Relax. We’re a team now, yeah? No need to keep with that “Mr.” business.
: Just “Toby” will be fine.
: Then I ask that you just call me “Setsuko”.
: Alright… This here marks the official start of the new Glory Star.
: I’d love to celebrate this with a nice toast but “worldwide crisis” and all that… So let’s get straight to work.
: Atten-SHUN!
: Sir! Yes, sir!
: Our Glory Star will now be working as part of ZEUTH to bring down this unknown enemy!
: Sir! Yes, sir!

*ALAAAAAAARM!*

: That siren… it’s the proximity alert!
: Yow, like clockwork...! That mess’s starting again, I guess!
: Come on, Toby, Setsuko! Scramble!
: Roger!


Special Disk Mission 5-1 (Setsuko) – Slumbering Menace


ZEUTH deploys and while it’s only half, it’s still an impressive sight for Waltfeld. Shame it couldn’t be happening in happier circumstances. Regardless, we’re here and Lacus says our priority is to sort things out ASAP so that we can bring tranquility back to the world.
In come the same mixed force as the other side – these are the mysterious drones, alright. The ∀ immediately reacts to them, adding credence to Loran’s fears that it’s somehow connected to the Executor System. It may even go crazy again, if there isn’t anyone at its controls.
Bright gives the order to attack, in hopes we’ll also get some info, and off we go – these phantoms of the Black History must be put down for the sake of world peace.


Annnd look at all those A.I mechs! Nothing particularly exciting here though. So let's just do another Smashing Montage. Through video! Because why not?

: What are they after, pulling such a large-scale offensive?
: How are they benefitting from all these intimidation tactics…?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3igMv4e68c

This is the first time I fought a Babi, and this is my last real update. So have a video!










: There’s nothing as unsettling as an enemy with unseen objectives…!
: Who the hell is using all these Black History relics…?!







: Anyone who wants to spread war will have to answer to me…!
: We finally managed to find peace! Do you really not understand how precious that is?!








I never did get a chance to show off the Glory Star team's Special Tri. So here's a second chance. :unsmith:

: We’ll cover your six, Setsuko! Get in there!
: Toby…
: You’re the ace of the Glory Star! Our pride is yours to uphold!
: Roger that, Chief…!
: I am not alone…! And for of all those who taught me that and their world…
: I’ll bear pride and duty within my breast and fight on!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6awAyZ-I8U


: No matter how many times those flowers are wiped out, I'll be there to plant them again and again...!
: I'll no longer hesitate to stand against any who tries to do away with our peace! I'm ready to do as I must!






: I wanna do my part to help the world, just as Tifa’s helping me…!
: Everyone’s out there, living with a smile on their faces! And if you’re here to wreck that, then I’ll wreck you first!







: Peace returned to this world after far too many sacrifices…! And we’ll make sure it sticks around!
: There’s no room in this world for those who want war!






: Humanity has risen above its past mistakes and started its trek towards a better tomorrow…!
: And I will not hesitate to pull my trigger against any who’d oppose that!







: The ∀’s equipped with the same system as these drones…?
: But why would the Black History people leave such a system there?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZCtd9Z0WMI
Just want to murder these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnU0qaxvfB8
:neckbeard: Yay Toby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHjSgXVKL38
Yay Denzel! :neckbeard:











Now then we never showed off Athrun's METEOR attacks. So let's do that now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVF9O7dmuk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNHr7zLN_FY

And we're done here.



All enemies are gone and Bright asks if we’re picking up any signs of life in outskirts of the battlefield – the one controlling the drones could be watching from nearby.
There’s nothing, corroborating our theory that the drones are fully autonomous rather than remote-controlled. Still, Waltfeld figures their targets themselves could have been picked out by someone. For that matter, why did they attack here? There aren’t any Mountain Cycles nearby, meaning they didn’t just attack whatever was close after awakening – they came here for a specific reason.
Loran is silent and, when asked, suggests that they may have been after the Turn A. He figures the drones were trying to recover an “allied” unit and its Moonlight Butterfly. It being in with them would explain its outburst in Vicinity, Amuro thinks.
Loran is left wondering just what the Turn A is… and, for that matter, what is hiding in the shadows of the Black History.


Meyrin detects incoming mechs but, like before, it’s Roger, Banjou and Aquarion.
Same deal as before with every one and we’re off to Yapan.


The conversation at the point of commerce is also exactly the same.


Back in the Argama, Garrod and Renton are happy to see each other in good health.
There’s that convo about Renton going back to his old sprite and Eureka also being present. The Nirvash may have left with the Scub but they both figure there’s stuff they can do as part of the Gekkostate. Holland sniffs at him forcing his way back onto the Gekko.
Jamil greets him and thanks Holland for helping gather up our scattered forces – no problem, what with Talho and the baby needing peace and quiet. Holland’s proud of himself for being all fatherly and when Jiron quips at how much that changes a man, he tells him tells him to stop talking like he’s some has-been.
On the other end of the spectrum is Kei, who Roybea sees hasn’t changed a bit despite Mimsy’s pregnancy. He says she’s coming along just fine, though it’s still early enough that she can keep helping Shaia in the Glomar.
The Iron Gear crew is also present, of course, as they couldn’t rest easy with those drones running wild across the world.


Shinn greets himself, glad to see the Gran Knights present. It is their mission to keep the world from falling into the hands of evil, Runa points out. Same goes for every Super Robot here, Touga adds.
There’s Duke, Toshiya and Marin’s delayed departure to safeguard their second home and the Jin Family fishing their stuff from Suruga Bay to get to work again.
Tetsuya and Ryouma ponder how those drones were stronger than expected and how we still don’t know almost anything about them or their goals. Apollo says, however, that Roger and Banjou have been hard at work with Fudou and Sirius says they only decided to come here once they had intel to share.
Indeed, Kouji didn’t expect to hear that the enemy’s HQ would be in Japan itself – that explains why the drones didn’t attack the place.


Setsuko, nearby, bumps into Rand who gives her props for pulling the Dimensional Repair. He’s also decided to get in with ZEUTH, having come in along with Banjou. He was already in touch with Jiron and Gain.
Toby’s surprised Setsuko’s a friend of a guy like him but, indeed, she confirms all the times he’s helped her. Denzel thanks him for that and, inwardly, Setsuko is glad she could finally see Rand smile now that Asakim is off their hair… though his radiating HEAT makes her flinch a bit.
Mel is finally back with him and introduces herself to Setsuko – along with that fiancée business. “Dang, guy, you just shot all the way to the top of my ‘respect’ list with this one”, Toby jokes.

Rand says it’s a complicated story but that’ll have to wait until this mess is sorted out. Still, Setsuko figures Mel was the one he was looking for and is glad to see that he’s back with his “beloved”.
Rand groans that he might need to set things straight right now, but Mel says there’s no need, what with them being engaged already. Setsuko wishes them all the happiness together and Rand decides to let this be for now. He’s also glad to see Setsuko smile – despite everything she went through, the girl seems to have gained something amidst it all.

Then Gainer and Loran exchange news of their respective units going crazy and Sandman calls everyone in for the briefing.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
One of the better things about the epilogue is how it gives the whole Glory Star a chance to work together once more.

...Because the other Z games never allowed that to happen again. :(

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

Brunom1 posted:

One of the better things about the epilogue is how it gives the whole Glory Star a chance to work together once more.

...Because the other Z games never allowed that to happen again. :(

If you want to get real technical with Solarion and supports...

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Caphi posted:

If you want to get real technical with Solarion and supports...

Sure, sure, but they're not working together as an actual team there.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

Brunom1 posted:

Sure, sure, but they're not working together as an actual team there.

Add it to the list of missed opportunities in Z3, along with no Cielo/Gunleon spot, Cielo not getting Solarion spirits, Esther not getting Solarion spirits, and not getting to play with the good Sphere Actions even though they exist.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

The more I hear and see about Z3, the more I realize that not being able to play beyond Z2 wasn't that bad of a thing.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Blaze Dragon posted:

The more I hear and see about Z3, the more I realize that not being able to play beyond Z2 wasn't that bad of a thing.

We're just overly vocal about the rough edges - many of which were also present in, say, Alpha 3 (and some that weren't, true).

Honestly, both are good games and have nice moments.

Expectations were incredibly high and Banpresto, I believe, didn't leave it cooking as long as they should've. That's an explosive combination.

Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jun 23, 2016

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

The Esther thing sounds particularly lovely.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

GimmickMan posted:

The Esther thing sounds particularly lovely.
It gets crappier when you find out Esther has an unused normal (read: as if she was a deployable pilot instead of a sub-pilot) cut-in portrait buried in the game's files, added more weight to the "We rushed this poo poo out at ludicrous speed to make the one year deadline" theory that surrounds Tengoku-hen.

Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.
Okay is it my laptop messing up or have all the tindeck files just vanished. Something happen with them?

Edit: Yeah, they're back. I see it. Cool.

Inferno-sama fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jun 24, 2016

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Inferno-sama posted:

Okay is it my laptop messing up or have all the tindeck files just vanished. Something happen with them?

Nah, all the tracks from Tindeck are down everywhere. (I'm hoping it's just a glitch, since the site is still up.)

Edit: Hey, they're back! That was quick. :v:

Booky fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jun 24, 2016

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Edit: Whoops, double post.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

Brunom1 posted:

We're just overly vocal about the rough edges - many of which were also present in, say, Alpha 3 (and some that weren't, true).

Honestly, both are good games and have nice moments.

Expectations were incredibly high and Banpresto, I believe, didn't leave it cooking as long as they should've. That's an explosive combination.

The thing is that everything original in Z3 is just really bad. Z3.1 was largely good because it was building a lot of crossover stuff that ended with two great series finales with one mediocre original finale sandwiched between them. Z3.2's entire last, what, fifteen or twenty stages are wall to wall Angel bullshit (okay, the Space Satan Trio shows up, whatever). There are good bits in Z3.2 but they are mostly Super crossovers and the FMP novels.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Caphi posted:

The thing is that everything original in Z3 is just really bad. Z3.1 was largely good because it was building a lot of crossover stuff that ended with two great series finales with one mediocre original finale sandwiched between them. Z3.2's entire last, what, fifteen or twenty stages are wall to wall Angel bullshit (okay, the Space Satan Trio shows up, whatever). There are good bits in Z3.2 but they are mostly Super crossovers and the FMP novels.

The last seven missions are centered on the original plot, if you start counting once all other problems are dealt with.

But, yeah, those bits feel like the were rushed out to try and close things... Not that Keisar Ephes' nigh unannounced appearance was a whole lot better but the GONG event made up for it.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
The last bit(I'm counting from the first El Millennium on Earth) is especially bad since it spins up pages and pages of unnecessary technobabble, but everything about Hibiki, Advent, and Ambrational Hysteriel is just sort of embarrassing. And that's not getting into Hibiki's other girlfriends, or Setsuko spending the whole game trying to save broken baby bird Barbiel the Needle, or that lady from Rengoku who partnered with Crowe and was never seen again, or that lady from Z2.1 who gets unceremoniously offed between games. (The fact that I can't remember the names of the last two is a bad sign.)

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Caphi posted:

The last bit(I'm counting from the first El Millennium on Earth) is especially bad since it spins up pages and pages of unnecessary technobabble, but everything about Hibiki, Advent, and Ambrational Hysteriel is just sort of embarrassing. And that's not getting into Hibiki's other girlfriends, or Setsuko spending the whole game trying to save broken baby bird Barbiel the Needle, or that lady from Rengoku who partnered with Crowe and was never seen again, or that lady from Z2.1 who gets unceremoniously offed between games. (The fact that I can't remember the names of the last two is a bad sign.)

Siony is still around - she tells Virudhak what Gaiou did... and that's it. She vanishes after doing so - she's alive, though.

Kravia shows up to give Crowe a secret item, somewhere. Nothing else, either.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Dammit, I meant Z3.1. Anetta? Gadlight's princess.

Thanks for the reminder, though.

GodofDiscord
Sep 5, 2013

Not the strongest, but the cutest.

Caphi posted:

Dammit, I meant Z3.1. Anetta? Gadlight's princess.

Thanks for the reminder, though.

Annelotta was killed after the Original Finale in Z3.1 by Crabby Shades.
Don't get me started on Z3.2, christ that is a very bad game... mostly due to the fact that it feels like every stage you're fighting the original enemies every single time. And then the last part of the game is awful. gently caress that.
The worst part of the game was that it didn't let me punch Advent in his smug face. He's worse than the Frost Brothers.

Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.
Okay, this has been bugging me for a while. What did Z3.2 retcon and mess up with regards to story?

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Inferno-sama posted:

Okay, this has been bugging me for a while. What did Z3.2 retcon and mess up with regards to story?

It didn't retcon anything (at least not that I remember) but they handwave a lot of things and rush to tie out loose ends... which leads to them being tied poorly.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Oh, speaking of Z3(.1??), don't they like remove a big chunk of the Z1 characters by sucking them into another dimension or whatever and no one talks about them after that? :psyduck: Feels like a really weird decision to do for a trilogy. (I'm tagging this just to be safe, since I've never played a SRW game and have no idea if it's true or a rumor)

Actually, how is Z3 overall, especially compared to this game? Rougher?

Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.

Brunom1 posted:

It didn't retcon anything (at least not that I remember) but they handwave a lot of things and rush to tie out loose ends... which leads to them being tied poorly.

Really? I heard there was something regarding Asakim and doing stuff with him. And what sort of things did they handwave and rush?

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Wounded Land
Nov 27, 2007
Living in a greenhouse, growing crops that we can't eat...
The biggest disappointment with Z3 for me is that they never bothered with the Marmelo Arc of God Mars, AKA the part where actually interesting stuff happens :v:

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