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Let it B. Whisper words of wisdom, let it B!
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I would suggest doing two separate playthroughs of the highest scoring options, but that seems like too much work
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Mar 22, 2014 03:17
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I'm going to Vote D. There's no need for revanchism here, and communism would just get blobbed too.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:29
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I'm going to piss into the wind and say D. Not devoting the first 3rd of the 20th Century to absolute slaughter would be a nice change from history.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:46
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Zeroisanumber posted:I'm going to piss into the wind and say D. Not devoting the first 3rd of the 20th Century to absolute slaughter would be a nice change from history. Don't be surprised if there ends up being a World War VII before V2 runs out no matter what choice wins here. We might just sit some of them out depending on the results, though.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:51
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I wonder if Paradox is working on some sort of penalty to discourage great wars in nations that have already fought them within the last decade. If some madman had tried to suggest to the French that they fight a second Great War five years after the last one he'd have been guillotined within the hour.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:56
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Never let it B said that our nemesis in Berlin was allowed to walk all over us.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:56
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Zeroisanumber posted:I wonder if Paradox is working on some sort of penalty to discourage great wars in nations that have already fought them within the last decade. If some madman had tried to suggest to the French that they fight a second Great War five years after the last one he'd have been guillotined within the hour. Worth pointing out that, for the next two years, four out of the eight GPs (France, Britain, SGF, Russia) will all simultaneously be under Great War Disarmament. We are paying reparations to Russia for Great War II, but Russia is still paying reparations to us for Great War I, which ended three years ago.
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Mar 22, 2014 05:00
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Blood for the Blood god.
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Mar 22, 2014 05:10
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D.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:09
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Springtime for Hitler seems appropriate for this occasion.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:20
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Honestly, you got off pretty lightly for a war which destroyed almost your entire army and left you completely defenseless against enemies on all four sides. It kind of bugs me that V2 doesn't properly represent the kind of defeat that, say, Austria or Turkey suffered in WW1. Remember, of the three major countries that were defeated in WW1 only one was anything like its former strength 20 years later. Admittedly there were other factors at work, but at minimum you should have lost Alsace, Galicia, Bohemia, Saxony, and mastery of the Balkans. The wargoals system isn't great at detecting when you've got your enemies over a barrel. Incidentally, does anybody have a link to the V2 Brazil LP where the player completely dismantles the US into its constituent states? I can't find it anywhere.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:44
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B!
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Mar 22, 2014 10:52
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MinistryofLard posted:Admittedly there were other factors at work, but at minimum you should have lost Alsace, Galicia, Bohemia, Saxony, and mastery of the Balkans. The wargoals system isn't great at detecting when you've got your enemies over a barrel.  They got about the best treaty out of me that the system would accept, especially since Russia hates NGF and didn't want them getting any land out of the deal. Great Wars work like regular wars except A. a forcible disarming and reparations CB (Great War Disarmament) is added to everyone on the losing coalition and B. wargoals are all 1/3rd off in warscore value (and 2/3rds off in infamy cost of adding them). EDIT: Basically I was exploiting V2 AI's tendency to go "What? gently caress those guys" regarding its allies in peace deals. Russia doesn't give a poo poo about what France or NGF want, and hates/fears NGF to begin with. Patter Song fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Mar 22, 2014 |
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Patter Song posted:
I really wish there was a way for the war leader to say "alright guys, we got this, now start making separate peaces". If one could do that, you could really gently caress a country over.
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Also it's worth pointing out that Russia, France, and the Netherlands are engaged in a tricky war with the USA and the USA's naval superiority means that they are probably at least a little concerned.
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Mar 22, 2014 16:22
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That reminded me that I really wish there was a button I could press to automatically upgrade all of my Naval Bases.
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Jumping on the Bandwagon with another vote for revengeance time. And for destroying the Swiss. Because gently caress those guys, with their neutrality and their overpriced everything.
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Mar 22, 2014 18:14
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C because it's been demonstrated to be hilarious in this thread.
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Captain Foo posted:C because it's been demonstrated to be hilarious in this thread. Especially after that war, things must be a complete mess. And POPs are the only thing that makes more ridiculous choices than goons. Voting C.
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Mar 22, 2014 21:12
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There's a shockingly large group of POPs that want Bavaria to secede from SGF. The Federation founded by and led from Bavaria.
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Patter Song posted:There's a shockingly large group of POPs that want Bavaria to secede from SGF. Might be a situation to late USSR, where Russians believed that the satellite republics were leaching off them. That was a particular case where Russia had all the oil, though. It might work as a way to rationalize it.
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Thanks for continuing to give quality updates, Patter Song! Although I think everyone wants to see an exciting war, I'm voting C because it seems like it would be interesting. Definitely won't complain about seeing more of your war commentary though! You make Vicky 2 seem a lot more entertaining than it actually is when I'm playing it.
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Mar 22, 2014 22:56
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D Peace in our time!
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Calling it for B. 15 B to 6 D at the moment, doesn't seem likely that it'll change. I don't want to steal from Zearoth's LP by declaring a Watch on the Danube, but...there's going to be a watch on the Danube.
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Patter Song posted:Also it's worth pointing out that Russia, France, and the Netherlands are engaged in a tricky war with the USA and the USA's naval superiority means that they are probably at least a little concerned. Wait, the USA is actually doing something in a conflict vs Europeans? I wasn't aware that was a thing. Any time I end up either allied or opposed to the US in a lategame war, they don't leave the Western Hemisphere.
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Probably because in this case they dont have to leave the western hemisphere. They're getting Alaska the Fun way!
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Guildencrantz posted:Wait, the USA is actually doing something in a conflict vs Europeans? I wasn't aware that was a thing. Any time I end up either allied or opposed to the US in a lategame war, they don't leave the Western Hemisphere. USA is kind of wonky since HoD. Sometimes they'll land in Hedjaz because their ally called them into a colonial war, but sometimes they won't bother landing in France, even though that's a much more feasible goal.
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Mar 23, 2014 15:40
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B is really the best choice here. Don't show how high you can get your score; show how low you can get everyone else's!
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TheMcD posted:USA is kind of wonky since HoD. Sometimes they'll land in Hedjaz because their ally called them into a colonial war, but sometimes they won't bother landing in France, even though that's a much more feasible goal. The USA was a massive pain in the butt in any game I played around Arabia because they always Sphered Egypt and prevented me from taking anything.
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I'm going to be bummed out when the lovely cultural marvels of the SGF are all channeled into an ugly fascism because of goons. 
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Rincewind posted:I'm going to be bummed out when the lovely cultural marvels of the SGF are all channeled into an ugly fascism because of goons. Goons always rush towards Maximum Hitler™ when it comes to Paradox LPs.
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Zikan posted:Goons always rush towards Maximum Hitler™ when it comes to Paradox LPs. To be fair, like I said, Vicky 2 endgame really favors the Maximum Hitler™ approach with Great War after Great War. We've been liberal and cultural throughout most of our time at the top, now it's time to unleash the loving fury.
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We are a South German state that just lost a world war in the 1910s, I guess it was an appropriate vote. I'll give the people what they voted for.
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Patter Song posted:We are a South German state that just lost a world war in the 1910s, I guess it was an appropriate vote. 
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I thought I'd be able to get an update out tonight, it's not looking good, though. Lots of content because the update covers 9 years. I have to do some travelling tomorrow, so it might be another 24 hours before I can post the update. For now you'll just have to satisfy yourself with this:  As a taste of what is coming. (Look at the size of my army. Look at it.)
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I always knew Kolchak (iirc OTL Kolchak had a different first name though) was a stupid fuckwit   hopefully some more competent gouverment will give you a better fight!
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Chapter XIV: A Five Year Truce (1916-1921) Good afternoon, Secretary of State Thomas. I trust all went well on your Transatlantic voyage? Here for the upcoming fifth anniversary armistice memorial service for...the unpleasantness a few years ago, I hear. Well, let me reassure you that the South German Federation has climbed out of the gutter and is able to say to those brave men who died in that terrible conflict that the SGF has pulled back from the brink and is able to stand with countries like your own great republic at the top of world affairs. Would you care for a summary as to how this has happened?  As you'll recall, at the end of the last Great War, we had only a ragtag army left and had been forced to dismantle nearly all of our tonnage on the sea. Our allies were still powerful enough to send Italy running with a slap on the wrist (the destruction of a massive naval base in Ancona and the agreement to leave Rome unfortified and helpless). SGF was at peace, but was a devastated ruin. Russia stood ascendant, the beneficiary of NGF's strength in arms, and had gained all of Galicia. SGF, Hungary, and Ruthenia were all defenseless, chaotic messes, and Russia had only one remaining worry: your country. Truth be told, though few in SGF could have found Alaska on a global map before, everyone in the country was rooting for your victory over Russia in that frozen wasteland, as some sort of a setback for the seemingly-unstoppable Tsar.    What was left of our army promptly spent the year following war's end putting down rebellions at home and abroad, preventing a coup against our puppet regime in Hungary.   There were a great many of them. Our country's working-age male population decreased by 200,000 during those 18 months. It's amazing how fast population recovered after that grievous loss.   The gendarmes walking the street may be intimidating, my dear Secretary, but I assure you their presence serves a reason.    One does not have to look far to see the results of not defending one's country from angry mobs.   The Chinese made one move too many and provoked the Russian bear. As your country was still at war with Russia at the time, I'm sure you were as thrilled, then horrified, as we were at the Second Sino-Russian War.  Truly, the late 1910s were the height of global Russian power, only offset by one setback:  Well done indeed, Secretary Thomas. The moment of hope we all needed in the face of Russian global ambitions.  The Hawk lobby decided to tolerate (for now) a return of the anti-military Socialists to power in hope that their full citizenship strategies would lead to South German subjects, German or not, to rally behind the flag. Should that have failed, we were, sad to say, prepared for a coup. However, much like the success of Socialism in the United States, it cured many of SGF's ills, though the people still wish they were a bit more jingoistic.  The government believes that if you monitor banks, you can prevent catastrophic financial collapses when the banks overextend. Regulation of the financial sector is clearly the key to preventing disastrous financial bubbles: it's not like the regulators will simply become indistinguishable from the bankers through regulatory capture and cease to be effective watchdogs, right? That would be ludicrous!     The Socialists promptly took action to address the needs of the countless left jobless due to displacement from the war.    The naval strategies grew more elaborate.     Finer ships, finer crew.       Even today, we don't have the finest navy in the world, yet, but it's rapidly approaching that point.   Let me show you the flagship of the SGF navy, the SMS Wagner. We felt that the name reflected the rich Bavarian cultural history as well as a future of militarism worthy of the legend of Siegfried. With 73 big guns, the Wagner is undisputed king of the sea. Trieste's port is the finest I've seen in the entire world, as well it should be...it certainly cost enough.  Of course, while our army and navy were still rebuilding, we found ourselves at war with the Kingdom of Spain over Spain's interest in seizing the port of Djibouti and landlocking Ethiopia. This war would prove the trying grounds of the strategies we would later employ to such great effect.  Of course, the British initially took the lead in the war, but we played our part in beating the Spaniards off the beaches of Dalmatia. Eventually we became more adventurous and attempted a landing in Spain.    Zaragoza was the first major encounter with a military force not made up of our own rebels since the humiliation of the war, and it was a rousing success. I cannot describe how much this did to restore national confidence, even though it was against an opponent with a deeply-antiquated military. We beat an enemy force, dislodged it, and then fought off its two sets of (tardy) reinforcements. After the failures of the previous war, this seemed brilliant.  I wasn't personally a fan of how the British decided to resolve the conflict, but a win's a win, right?  Those were interesting times in Latin America, as well. Bolivia has, of course, since recouped some of its losses.  With the end of British protection of Brazil, Colombia also seized some of its old land back.  I have fond memories of the 1920 US Army Air Show here. As advanced as our aviation industry has been, your country beat us to figuring out how to militarize planes. We certainly have caught up since then.  That was a fun day. I remember the band playing while the planes flew overhead... Why yes, John Philip Sousa himself was present.  I know some people love Stars and Stripes Forever, but The Liberty Bell is my favorite Sousa composition. Either way, your Sousa certainly is a unique American contribution to world music...it's a shame that our German jazz never caught on in your country. I've always felt that jazz was too cerebral for American populist tastes, perhaps jazz can never truly flourish outside of Munich. But I digress...  I'm a Keynes man myself, of course, but the Liberals have fallen for this man. I apologize for unleashing him on the world.  They're doing astonishing things up north these days. It's a shame Sweden went liberal so early and allowed its industrial sector to be wiped out, otherwise they could have been a contender.   Would you believe just the other month we threw some lunatic in prison for trying to coup the government from a beer hall here in Munich? His autobiography is selling like hotcakes.   Asia awakens, the world trembles...I believe that was the saying.  Rump Sokoto awakens, the world yawns.   You know the story, right? Rebels stormed Iazi and demanded that the Prince of Moldavia cede his country to the Prince of Wallachia, and the Moldavian prince couldn't resist because his army was vacationing in some godforsaken place in southern Greece? Romanians everywhere became agitated, but in the end, the King of Wallachia remains a vassal of the Ottoman sultan and unable to pose much of a threat to Hungary or Ruthenia. I remain content that no further trouble will come on the Romanian front.     The Afghans continue to press towards Delhi while Mysore consolidates its power in the subcontinent.   A cutting-edge army is always critical...one never knows what threats may lurk.    At any time, something might happen that would change the world forever.  ...I believe our time is up, sir. It has been a pleasure and let me advise you to add Istanbul to your itinerary...it is the only place in Europe you can go to get away from these damned shells. 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Update cut in half due to length, another update within the next 48 hours.
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I hate to use the old "that escalated quickly" joke, but that really did just escalate quickly.
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