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800peepee51doodoo posted:I had Season 1 sitting on my hardrive for like a year and finally got around to playing it. After weeping like a goddamned child at a video game, I checked out the old thread only to realize that Season 2 had been released! Hell yeah. I never buy or play video games really anymore but this is by far the best experience I've had with a game since, like, Morrowind or something and I immediately grabbed S2 off Steam. So far, pretty great although I agree with others about the lack of cool down conversation segments and the lopsided decisions. I did regret doing two things: Taking the watch. That was just video game take-everything-that-isnt-nailed-down auto pilot on my part and I immediately wanted to put it back. Game wouldn't let me which is kind of a bummer. The other was running over to Nick on pure gut instinct when they flashed Pete's bite. I figured that everything Clem's seen has shown her that Pete's a dead man but I kind of wished I'd gone to help him just to see how that played out. I feel like I'm gonna end up missing some good poo poo, ala saving Ben in ep4 and his later ep5 breakdown with Kenny. I'm really on the fence about rewinding that last decision but I played all of Season 1 just making my decisions and living with the consequences. I've never played another game where I would have given even the tiniest poo poo about reloading an old save and redoing a section but it just seems like cheating in this game. I think that's what great about these games. If you don't restart you're "stuck" with the decision you've made until the end. You can always play through it again later when they release all the episodes.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I had Season 1 sitting on my hardrive for like a year and finally got around to playing it. After weeping like a goddamned child at a video game, I checked out the old thread only to realize that Season 2 had been released! Hell yeah. I never buy or play video games really anymore but this is by far the best experience I've had with a game since, like, Morrowind or something and I immediately grabbed S2 off Steam. So far, pretty great although I agree with others about the lack of cool down conversation segments and the lopsided decisions. I did regret doing two things: Taking the watch. That was just video game take-everything-that-isnt-nailed-down auto pilot on my part and I immediately wanted to put it back. Game wouldn't let me which is kind of a bummer. The other was running over to Nick on pure gut instinct when they flashed Pete's bite. I figured that everything Clem's seen has shown her that Pete's a dead man but I kind of wished I'd gone to help him just to see how that played out. I feel like I'm gonna end up missing some good poo poo, ala saving Ben in ep4 and his later ep5 breakdown with Kenny. I'm really on the fence about rewinding that last decision but I played all of Season 1 just making my decisions and living with the consequences. I've never played another game where I would have given even the tiniest poo poo about reloading an old save and redoing a section but it just seems like cheating in this game. Sometimes I will replay portions of the game to see how different situations would have played out (and even then, only with specific things I'm very interested in) but I think the story and whatnot really works best when you just stick with your decisions and live with the consequences. That's the whole point of timed conversation options and all that.
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BattleCake posted:Sometimes I will replay portions of the game to see how different situations would have played out (and even then, only with specific things I'm very interested in) but I think the story and whatnot really works best when you just stick with your decisions and live with the consequences. That's the whole point of timed conversation options and all that. Actually, I'd say the whole point of timed conversation options is to give you another option. Lee always had his 4th conversation slot as "..." Which was a bit of a waste of space and people would react to it just the same as the other options a large portion of the time. Adding the timed interval as Clem's lack of response (and Bigby's as well) gives the conversations flow, and people seem to react more appropriately to her silence this time. There were plenty of times in the first episode of both TWAU and Season 2 where I actively chose to be silent and I felt it actually paid off, and made sense in the conversation, unlike season 1. It really helps to think of the time limit as another option, not just an inconvenience.
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BattleCake posted:Sometimes I will replay portions of the game to see how different situations would have played out (and even then, only with specific things I'm very interested in) but I think the story and whatnot really works best when you just stick with your decisions and live with the consequences. That's the whole point of timed conversation options and all that. Yeah, it serves as a way to get you to respond with your gut a lot more than trying to ponder the best response to every situation. In some situations it really acts a bit like a psychological test and also helps the game flow better. I mean, if someone asks you a question you don't just sit there and stare at them like a psycho until you figure out the perfect response. laplace posted:Actually, I'd say the whole point of timed conversation options is to give you another option. Lee always had his 4th conversation slot as "..." Which was a bit of a waste of space and people would react to it just the same as the other options a large portion of the time. Adding the timed interval as Clem's lack of response (and Bigby's as well) gives the conversations flow, and people seem to react more appropriately to her silence this time. There were plenty of times in the first episode of both TWAU and Season 2 where I actively chose to be silent and I felt it actually paid off, and made sense in the conversation, unlike season 1. I don't know, I used Lee's silence in a few spots and it seemed to make sense and fit well. Sometimes it was the most poignant option like when Katjaa was convincing Kenny that Duck needed peace. No way was I gonna be blowing my way into that convo.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Yeah, it serves as a way to get you to respond with your gut a lot more than trying to ponder the best response to every situation. In some situations it really acts a bit like a psychological test and also helps the game flow better. I mean, if someone asks you a question you don't just sit there and stare at them like a psycho until you figure out the perfect response. Also, hey, reg date buddies 
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So this is a thing. The look on both their faces... (s2e1) http://imgur.com/u1DmKdn
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laplace posted:Actually, I'd say the whole point of timed conversation options is to give you another option. Lee always had his 4th conversation slot as "..." Which was a bit of a waste of space and people would react to it just the same as the other options a large portion of the time. Adding the timed interval as Clem's lack of response (and Bigby's as well) gives the conversations flow, and people seem to react more appropriately to her silence this time. There were plenty of times in the first episode of both TWAU and Season 2 where I actively chose to be silent and I felt it actually paid off, and made sense in the conversation, unlike season 1. You could have silence as a dialogue option even without timed conversations. I agree with everything you're saying about silence being an option, it is pretty good that we have that, I just mean that having a time limit adds an element of pressure/stress to your decision making which I think makes it feel much more exciting and in the moment. Basically what 800peepee51doodoo said. edit: vvvvv Yep, that part made me physically uncomfortable. I was literally squirming in my seat. BattleCake fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jan 3, 2014 |
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I just wrapped up S2E1 and holy poo poo Telltale way to make me go through with effectively making a little girl slooooowly stick a needle and thread in her own ragged arm, in absolute agony, about eight times in a row. I was practically clutching my own arm afterward. I didn't think you could cringe me out any harder after Lee's amputation but you did it!  Essentially just  EDIT: I didn't want to double-post but at the end of one of the S1 episodes there is a graphic that shows "Who made it?" - and one of the options, with very low percentage, is just Lee. How badly does the player have to gently caress up, or what has to happen, for literally EVERYONE ELSE to die? Is it like the "Shepard only" ending of Mass Effect? strangemusic fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jan 3, 2014 |
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BattleCake posted:Basically what 800peepee51doodoo said. This is an amazing sentence. Was talking to a friend about the decision to kill the dog or not. I love how there are certain decisions in this game where half the people are like, "why would you do that?!" and the other half are equally as loudly saying, "why would you NOT do that?!" See also (season one spoilers) the decision to have Clem shoot Lee and whether to shoot Duck or have Kenny do it.
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strangemusic posted:I just wrapped up S2E1 and holy poo poo Telltale way to make me go through with effectively making a little girl slooooowly stick a needle and thread in her own ragged arm, in absolute agony, about eight times in a row. I was practically clutching my own arm afterward. I didn't think you could cringe me out any harder after Lee's amputation but you did it! That's not for dying, it's people who came with Lee to find Clem.
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THE PWNER posted:That's not for dying, it's people who came with Lee to find Clem. Oh. That makes more sense.
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THE PWNER posted:That's not for dying, it's people who came with Lee to find Clem. As far as I'm aware by the end everyone is either definitely dead or missing, the only exception being Omed and Christa, and thats only because you see them again at the beginning of Season 2. Everyone else is up in the air.
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RagnarokAngel posted:As far as I'm aware by the end everyone is either definitely dead or missing, the only exception being Omed and Christa, and thats only because you see them again at the beginning of Season 2. Everyone else is up in the air. They were talking about the end of episode 104, not 105. Unknowably pleased to see the Banang.
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strangemusic posted:I just wrapped up S2E1 and holy poo poo Telltale way to make me go through with effectively making a little girl slooooowly stick a needle and thread in her own ragged arm, in absolute agony, about eight times in a row. I was practically clutching my own arm afterward. I didn't think you could cringe me out any harder after Lee's amputation but you did it! I honestly couldn't watch. I just swung my mouse and closed my eyes every time.
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What a loving fantastic opening episode. I wasn't expecting much at all since Sean and Jake didn't stay on to do it, but that was even better than season 1's first episode. Decided to make my Clem a manipulative, selfish bitch, which the game seems to be accomodating quite a bit. It's a good arc for her. So for the first time ever I'm deeply enjoying two Telltale projects simultaneously, and both will probably take another 4 years to finish. Bring on Game of Thrones in 2024! (Then use the Walking Dead money to buy the rights to Monkey Island from Disney and share it with Double Fine if they're so inclined). That bit that everyone's going to say was disgusting was loving disgusting and brilliant. It goes on for ages, gets in agonisingly close and made me feel a bit sick. Christ.
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Gutcruncher posted:Is it just me or were Clem's faces during that pretty hilarious? S2ep1 spoiler Honestly, I thought it was less messed up than it could have been. I thought she was gonna immobilize her arm with the vice so she wouldn't twitch. I guess it was Chekhov's Vice.
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Steve2911 posted:It's a good arc for her. The dangers of spoiling children.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Honestly, I thought it was less messed up than it could have been. I thought she was gonna immobilize her arm with the vice so she wouldn't twitch. I guess it was Chekhov's Vice. Totally thought the same when they panned back and showed it briefly. Then I thought eh, maybe they re-enact that one scene from casino when the zombie climbs through the hole Clem: Listen ta me. I got ya head in a fuckin' vice.
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Did Clem really need to sew up her dog bite and leave the shed - it seems like something that could have waited till morning and could have saved a lot of hassle?
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Manwithastick posted:Did Clem really need to sew up her dog bite and leave the shed - it seems like something that could have waited till morning and could have saved a lot of hassle? An infection on a bite that big would be no loving joke in a place with no real hospitals to speak of.
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Manwithastick posted:Did Clem really need to sew up her dog bite and leave the shed - it seems like something that could have waited till morning and could have saved a lot of hassle? If it got infected they'd think she was bitten by a zombie and kill her in the morning. Too much risk.
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THE PWNER posted:So this is a thing. The look on both their faces... (s2e1) This reminds me, Im glad that The Wolf Among Us allows you to get rid of the hud clutter but still keep the status update things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZg-7D0RaE
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THE PWNER posted:If it got infected they'd think she was bitten by a zombie and kill her in the morning. Too much risk. My guess is Carlos deliberately did it so he wouldn't have to look after Clem and not look like a heartless monster. Any doctor should know the difference between a dog bite and human bite and most people in general know that animal bites need to be treated. Instead he just goes, "well, um...it could be. Let's lock her in a shed for >12 hours and if she dies then good thing we didn't let her in!  "
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IncendiaC posted:My guess is Carlos deliberately did it so he wouldn't have to look after Clem and not look like a heartless monster. Any doctor should know the difference between a dog bite and human bite and most people in general know that animal bites need to be treated. Instead he just goes, "well, um...it could be. Let's lock her in a shed for >12 hours and if she dies then good thing we didn't let her in! Consider how much Carlos cares about his protecting his daughter, it feels like he took the "safe route" and obviously prioritizes his daughter over the life of somebody he doesn't even know.
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BattleCake posted:Consider how much Carlos cares about his protecting his daughter, it feels like he took the "safe route" and obviously prioritizes his daughter over the life of somebody he doesn't even know. Oh yeah that's what I figured. I just meant that the whole thing was a Catch-22 situation; there was no way Clem would have survived by staying in the shed.
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IncendiaC posted:My guess is Carlos deliberately did it so he wouldn't have to look after Clem and not look like a heartless monster. Any doctor should know the difference between a dog bite and human bite and most people in general know that animal bites need to be treated. Instead he just goes, "well, um...it could be. Let's lock her in a shed for >12 hours and if she dies then good thing we didn't let her in! yeah, he's either written poorly, he wanted Clem to die for one reason or another, or he's not a doctor. One of those. I know it's a video game and maybe it wasn't written with the look of the bite in mind, but I find it hard to believe a human could leave a bite like that unless they're like, trying to saw through the skin with their teeth.
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THE PWNER posted:yeah, he's either written poorly, he wanted Clem to die for one reason or another, or he's not a doctor. One of those. I know it's a video game and maybe it wasn't written with the look of the bite in mind, but I find it hard to believe a human could leave a bite like that unless they're like, trying to saw through the skin with their teeth. It's most likely poor writing. Same with the starving dog playing frisbee before becoming a killer in seconds and Clem leaving the gun on the sink/the hole to the shed uncovered. This whole episode felt like a first draft. A first draft where the writer didn't obscure the main goal they wanted to achieve and everything revolves around that goal instead of organically evolving from the characters.
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Call Me Charlie posted:It's most likely poor writing. Same with the starving dog playing frisbee before becoming a killer in seconds and Clem leaving the gun on the sink/the hole to the shed uncovered. This whole episode felt like a first draft. A first draft where the writer didn't obscure the main goal they wanted to achieve and everything revolves around that goal instead of organically evolving from the characters. The dog thing can happen, even normal domestic dogs that aren't starving or left alone for presumably months can develop food aggression and even bite; someone in the last thread posted a video of exactly that happening to an experienced vet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ihXq_WwiWM
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THE PWNER posted:The dog thing can happen, even normal domestic dogs that aren't starving or left alone for presumably months can develop food aggression and even bite; someone in the last thread posted a video of exactly that happening to an experienced vet. You don't see a problem with a "starving" dog not only being interested in playing frisbee but doing a running leap to catch it in midair?
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THE PWNER posted:The dog thing can happen, even normal domestic dogs that aren't starving or left alone for presumably months can develop food aggression and even bite; someone in the last thread posted a video of exactly that happening to an experienced vet. Yeah, dogs value food, and if they consider food "theirs" they can be quite aggressive about protecting it. A domestic dog will usually only growl a bit if you try to take a piece of food it particularly wants away from it, but I imagine this is much exacerbated if the person trying to take the food is a diminutive stranger who isn't physically intimidating, and the dog has been alone, scared and starving for months.
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Even regular dogs who know you can get mean in stressful situations. My old dog who I'd raised from a puppy and was never anything but friendly before or after freaked out and bit the hell out of me when I tried to get her out from under a trailer immediately following hurricane Katrina.
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I justified it by thinking Sam had seen a fair number of humans becoming "aggressive" and "smelly" over the past few years and had become pretty defensive in general. Still played with his master until a few weeks ago, but still wary of and perhaps attacking zombies all this time (I assume his last master hadn't been gone that long due to Sam still being alive.) Then again, I'm not a dog person. I saw a few people talking about "perfect runs" for 400 Days that involve getting all of the survivors to go along with Tavia. I really hope that ends up biting a few people in the rear end down the line somehow. What was the logic behind having Shel and her sister making their way back to the diner by the epilogue if they were still "on the run" from Roman?
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God knows, they left pictures and apparently a note saying they were in the area too. Masterful.
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Popero posted:I can't wait to hang with his daughter at every possible moment, maybe teach her about the horrors of modern life, and to also make vaguely threatening comments about the baby drama I know about. gently caress those guys. I'll take that watch too while I'm at it, thank you. My take-away from the conversation between Clem and the guy was that his daughter's either crazy or retarded, so I don't think this is going to be as fun as you make it seem.
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general chaos posted:I saw a few people talking about "perfect runs" for 400 Days that involve getting all of the survivors to go along with Tavia. I really hope that ends up biting a few people in the rear end down the line somehow. I hope not, I got everyone to go along with Tavia first time by blind luck. Anyway about Season 2, I saw someone earlier in the thread mention that they couldn't see why anyone wouldn't mercy kill the dog, but I was in two minds about it. I know it didn't bite Clementine out of hatred or anything, but gently caress that dog all the same for doing it. I eventually did kill it because that's what Lee would've wanted her to do.
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croutonZA posted:I hope not, I got everyone to go along with Tavia first time by blind luck. The thing with that choice is it's really out of character for Clementine, she still says "I'm sorry" while stuttering even if you don't kill it. You might not be killing it for revenge or whatever, but in game the character isn't killing it why? Because she doesn't have the stomach to? I just don't see how it makes sense taking that line into account, I don't even think it's possible to get to s2 without Clementine having killed a walker or a person by now is it?
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