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Pick posted:Oh, also you should have the Princess Kaguya trailer in there somewhere. That's the animated film I'm most excited about in 2014, after Boxtrolls. I don't even know what it's about but new Takahata is immensely exciting.
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DicktheCat posted:All I want is some good 2d animation made in the States. That's all I wanted for Christmas. Miyazaki has said hes retiring after just about every film since Mononoke. Of course, at this point hes old enough that it likely gonna stick
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DNS posted:I don't even know what it's about but new Takahata is immensely exciting. Yeah I haven't been as excited for a movie in years (I do have a Takahata avatar though so)
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DicktheCat posted:All I want is some good 2d animation made in the States. That's all I wanted for Christmas. I hear Disney is making a paperman like movie called Moana or something? So you've sorta half got it!
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DicktheCat posted:All I want is some good 2d animation made in the States. That's all I wanted for Christmas. Didn't they announce that Miyazaki had a heart condition that caused him to need to retire?
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Is Princess Kaguya an adaptation of that Japanese folkstory about the moon princess?
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Jan 2, 2014 13:41
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Disney has like five 2d animators left, Eric Goldberg, Dale Baer, Marc Henn, and a couple other folks I don't remember. Glen Keane is gone, Deja's gone, they fired like everyone else, and I think they have made it abundantly clear that they have no future interest in 2D as a medium. Disney is now an intellectual property clearinghouse and media empire, and they need to make probably one movie a year just to keep people thinking that they give even one iota of poo poo about their previous identity as a movie studio.
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neonnoodle posted:Disney has like five 2d animators left, Eric Goldberg, Dale Baer, Marc Henn, and a couple other folks I don't remember. Glen Keane is gone, Deja's gone, they fired like everyone else, and I think they have made it abundantly clear that they have no future interest in 2D as a medium. Just because those guys are the only ones whose names you recognise doesn't mean they are the only ones capable of hand drawn animation.
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I noticed there was anime in the op, does that mean I can talk about how pretty Evangelion 3.0 is when it gets released in the US for theaters?
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Livingtrope posted:I noticed there was anime in the op, does that mean I can talk about how pretty Evangelion 3.0 is when it gets released in the US for theaters? No. Ghibli is the exception (along with Satoshi Kon, but he is dead so nothing new will be coming from him). neonnoodle posted:Disney has like five 2d animators left, Eric Goldberg, Dale Baer, Marc Henn, and a couple other folks I don't remember. Glen Keane is gone, Deja's gone, they fired like everyone else, and I think they have made it abundantly clear that they have no future interest in 2D as a medium. What about the new Mickey Mouse shorts? Or paperman, which did use a combination of 2D and 3D but still felt 2D.
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Qindarka posted:Just because those guys are the only ones whose names you recognise doesn't mean they are the only ones capable of hand drawn animation. *edit: the new Mickey shorts are done by the TV division, and they're great but they're not intended to be feature-quality. neonnoodle fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Livingtrope posted:I noticed there was anime in the op, does that mean I can talk about how pretty Evangelion 3.0 is when it gets released in the US for theaters? Yeah, that should be fine.
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Senior Scarybagels posted:No. Ghibli is the exception (along with Satoshi Kon, but he is dead so nothing new will be coming from him). There's still his half done movie! Maybe some day.
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Koramei posted:There's still his half done movie! Maybe some day. I hope they don't get someone else to do The Dreaming Machine, I really can't think of any director from Japan that could do it.
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Senior Scarybagels posted:No. Ghibli is the exception (along with Satoshi Kon, but he is dead so nothing new will be coming from him). I really like the new shorts and as much as I'd like to be optimistic about Disney's future as a 2D animation studios, I think that falls more under the umbrella of 'propping up Disney's animation legacy' and sort of throwing animation fans a bone rather than evidence that they're interested in keeping it up. Paperman on the other hand is a real innovation and might lead to something more, but true 2D seems to be dead as far as Disney is concerned. This used to make me kind of sad but now I feel like it just opens the doors for fresh blood, if there's an opportunity. I don't think there's any good reason that 2D animation can't be a box office hit. Disney just can't really be bothered with it anymore.
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redcheval posted:I really like the new shorts and as much as I'd like to be optimistic about Disney's future as a 2D animation studios, I think that falls more under the umbrella of 'propping up Disney's animation legacy' and sort of throwing animation fans a bone rather than evidence that they're interested in keeping it up. Well really Disney is the reason why in the west 2D Animation has failed ;it created the idea that 2D animation is child like, were as with 3D it has kept both a child-like and adult mentality due to the likes of pixar and dreamworks that allows a wider audience to enjoy it and get different things out of. So really the truth is that 2D Animation might always be seen as for children unless there is a surge of adult oriented animated movies that bring in a large enough draw.
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Disney just spent the last few years remastering their pre-1952 shorts library in 4K, but there are no plans to actually release any of it (disc or otherwise).
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Egbert Souse posted:Disney just spent the last few years remastering their pre-1952 shorts library in 4K, but there are no plans to actually release any of it (disc or otherwise). I'm guessing they just want a higher quality downsample when they release Blu-ray versions of those shorts. That and if/when 4K TVs are popular they can just release those immediately and if technology has improved by then they can rescan them and get some double-dip revenue.
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Senior Scarybagels posted:Well really Disney is the reason why in the west 2D Animation has failed ;it created the idea that 2D animation is child like, were as with 3D it has kept both a child-like and adult mentality due to the likes of pixar and dreamworks that allows a wider audience to enjoy it and get different things out of. So really the truth is that 2D Animation might always be seen as for children unless there is a surge of adult oriented animated movies that bring in a large enough draw. I don't think that tonally Dreamworks or Pixar films are any less child oriented than Disney/Disney-esque 2D feature animation, with the possible exception of Shrek (given that those movies are lampooning other animation/storytelling traditions). They're very accessible to adults and children alike, sure, especially the best ones, but so are classic Disney films.
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If we can talk about anime theatrical releases here, I just saw Madoka Magica: Rebellion in theatres. It closes tonight so maybe talking about it at this point is irrelevant, but dang, most deceptive poster of the year. Here's the poster:  I can't find many screencaps on Google yet because this movie is so new, but here's what a good portion of the movie looked like:  In my opinion, Madoka Magica Rebellion was by far and away the most visually-interesting animated film to come out in 2013 so it's a shame that the only way to know that going in was through word of mouth. What's the point of submitting a movie to Oscar consideration if it's going to be marketed as a anime die-hards only thing?
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Say what you will about storytelling, marketing, etc. Madoka really is one of the more visually interesting anime in recent years. I'm on a Discworld kick, so animation and Discworld goons, are the animated versions worth looking into?
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^^^ Madoka 3 was really good, but make sure you've seen the series (original or movie recaps). Otherwise, you'll be lost. I'm super pumped about The Wind Rises and HTTD 2, plus optimistic about Ratchet and Clank since I like the video games. Honestly though, why is Rio getting a sequel? Was it that successful?
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Fooly Cooly 25 posted:Honestly though, why is Rio getting a sequel? Was it that successful? $144M domestic / $486M global on a $150M production+advertising budget (e: also DVD/BluRay sales and merch-merch-merch) And the best grossing movies of late are sequels. turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Rio was pretty okay. Not remarkable but there wasn't anything really bad about it either.
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Rio will be remembered for killing off Pixars Newt.
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Pixeltendo posted:Rio will be remembered for killing off Pixars Newt. Yeah, pretty much this. Also for having three or four subplots and eight or nine characters too many. (The bird animation was excellent, though. Shame.)
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turtlecrunch posted:Isn't there an entire forum for anime? If it's a movie, I don't think it matters what style it's made in. If Vargo disagrees, that's fine but I just don't see a good reason not to talk about a movie just because it's Anime. I mean if we can talk about Ghibli, I don't see why not. I know Ghibli is way better than average but quality isn't what this thread is about as the OP clearly shows.
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axleblaze posted:If it's a movie, I don't think it matters what style it's made in. If Vargo disagrees, that's fine but I just don't see a good reason not to talk about a movie just because it's Anime. I mean if we can talk about Ghibli, I don't see why not. I know Ghibli is way better than average but quality isn't what this thread is about as the OP clearly shows. My only concern here would be that it's a followup film to a pre-existing anime series. But this issue hasn't been a huge problem yet so it seems premature for rules about it.
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Rahonavis posted:Yeah, pretty much this. Also for having three or four subplots and eight or nine characters too many. (The bird animation was excellent, though. Shame.) This kind of thing is Blue Sky's curse (though I loved Horton Hears a Who and the first Ice Age). "Mediocre movie but pretty animation" should be their official slogan.
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Fatkraken posted:I don't think that tonally Dreamworks or Pixar films are any less child oriented than Disney/Disney-esque 2D feature animation, with the possible exception of Shrek (given that those movies are lampooning other animation/storytelling traditions). They're very accessible to adults and children alike, sure, especially the best ones, but so are classic Disney films. I agree. My parents aren't nearly as into animation (or film in general) as I am, but they both really enjoyed a lot of the Disney films they took me and my sister to as kids, particularly bigger stuff like the Lion King. I don't really consider a lot of Disney films for kids, not stuff I grew up on like Aladdin or TLK, or the old classics like Pinocchio or Bambi. Nothing about them necessarily screams 'for children', although it's hard to divorce that from the films and animation now since it's so ingrained. Some Disney movies are more overtly child-oriented than others but it would be impossible to really debate the specifics, I feel. For that matter, it's fairly evident that Pixar is at least somewhat removed from what it used to be, post-Disney takeover. The atmosphere there is also apparently more corporate and a little more rigid than it used to be. Obviously that doesn't have much to do with Disney's abandoning 2D, but I don't know if Pixar's vast audience appeal will last forever; I think a lot of that came from a level of creative freedom they had that I'm not really sure persists. E: not that they're making bad movies, I really enjoyed MU, but Brave wasn't all that great in my opinion and the constant shuffling around of directors and such on projects doesn't look that good either. But there's nothing definitive there yet.
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Macaluso posted:This kind of thing is Blue Sky's curse (though I loved Horton Hears a Who and the first Ice Age). "Mediocre movie but pretty animation" should be their official slogan. It always pains me to see great animation wasted. I remember seeing Shrek the Third and wishing that any of the writers had a tiny fraction of the passion that any of the animators had.
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axleblaze posted:It always pains me to see great animation wasted. I remember seeing Shrek the Third and wishing that any of the writers had a tiny fraction of the passion that any of the animators had. I know what you mean, when I was working a projectionist for a youth center, this was one of those movies I got forced to watch on repeat (along with Epic Movie), and it's just small bits that are good and a whole lot of 'what where they thinking???'
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Pick posted:My only concern here would be that it's a followup film to a pre-existing anime series. But this issue hasn't been a huge problem yet so it seems premature for rules about it. Yeah, if I have to make an anime rule I will, but at the moment, I'd rather not make more rules. If it's a problem, I'll do it.
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Fatkraken posted:I don't think that tonally Dreamworks or Pixar films are any less child oriented than Disney/Disney-esque 2D feature animation, with the possible exception of Shrek (given that those movies are lampooning other animation/storytelling traditions). They're very accessible to adults and children alike, sure, especially the best ones, but so are classic Disney films. What I meant is that they caused the perception of 2D animation being for kids, where as 3D Animation has the perception that it's for children as much as adults.
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Senior Scarybagels posted:What I meant is that they caused the perception of 2D animation being for kids, where as 3D Animation has the perception that it's for children as much as adults. I don't think 3D animation has any perception as being "for adults." Pixar movies, arguably. But this is also a medium that contains The Lorax, Nut Job, and a zillion cruddy shoestring-budget Saturday morning cartons.
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Senior Scarybagels posted:What I meant is that they caused the perception of 2D animation being for kids, where as 3D Animation has the perception that it's for children as much as adults. I don't think this is a change at all. During the 90s Disney films were critically acclaimed (Beauty and the Beast was nominated for an Oscar) and anyone that saw them knew they were in for something they would enjoy as much as their kids. If there was any shift, I think it has more to do with kids that grew up with Disney tapes becoming adults that still wanted to watch animated films than a change of style of animation.
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Pixeltendo posted:Has there actually ever been CGI films for adults only? Aside from literal pornographic films?
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